ABK - Assistant Baby Killers

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Spade, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. Spade

    Spade Member

    this started on the "In Support of the BPD" and it is detracting from my purpose in starting that thread.....providing support to the BPD. So let's discuss my definition of ABK here. This is what I posted:

    "The BPD has taken a huge hit over the last 9+ years and IMO it is undeserved. When I 1st read the Bonita Papers I realized what a professional job they had done, despite the obstruction from the assistant baby killers in the DA’s office.

    IMO anybody who obstucts or obfuscates the truth about the tragedy of JonBenet Ramsey's death is an ASSISTANT BABY KILLER.

    My list of people, outside of the Ramsey family, who deserve to have these letters behind their name for life is headed by Mike Bynum ABK. Feel free to expand but please keep the topic of this thread intact.

    Steve Thomas "died" for Peter Hofstrom ABK's sins."

    Plus:
    Just my 2 cents Spade .... I like most all of your posts ... but the ABK strikes a bit of negative chord in me.

    Regards,
    Mandarin

    Spade posted in response:

    "Perhaps I am being "over the top" Mandarin. I certainly respect your opinion. I have been at this for a long time. I've seen the same lame arguments recycled year after year. IMO just to protect BS. When Keenan/Lacy ABK arrested John Mark Karr ABK she went way over the top. She knew exactly who killed JonBenet Ramsey and she attempted to obfuscate the truth.

    John Mark Karr ABK knew he was lying when he "confessed" to Michael Tracey ABK."

    Let's continue this discussion here. Thanks, Spade
     
  2. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    Atleast you didn't say something really off the wall like; "The media, I feel was, to a large degree, responsible for the rift that ensued between LE and the DA's office ...."
     
  3. Spade

    Spade Member

    Paradox

    The media is responsible for making the cover-up of the fix very, very complicated. When the fix 1st started in the AM of 12/26/96, no one...
    not Mike Bynum ABK, not Bryan Morgan ABK, not Peter Hofstrom ABK...
    nobody thought JonBenet's death would become a media phenom. It made the cover-up of the deal that was made before JonBenet's body was found difficult to fulfill. That's my opinion.
     
  4. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member


    Oh, so we're supposed to blame the media for the unprofessional behavior of, the DA's office, and conclude THAT led to the rift between the DA and the BPD?

    I don't think so. The media had NOTHING to do with Hunter's/DeMuth's/Hofstrom's deal with the devils Haddon, Morgan and Foremen.

    This case was over before the body was cold, IMO. Otherwise, the very most basic of investigative procedures would have been executed pronto: the Ramseys would have been arrested and questioned separately if they refused to talk to LE in a formal interview(which Smit himself says he would have done); phone records would have been subpoenaed by day two, as well as the clothes the Ramseys were wearing on Dec. 25 and 26; Pam Paugh would NEVER have been allowed to haul a police car full of evidence out of the house with a police escort, compliments of the DA; evidence NEVER would have been shared with the prime suspects...until trial or someone else was convicted; etc.

    The media had nothing to do with that. The BPD had every right to be outraged at how the DA was burying this case. It wasn't rocket science. Hunter is the one who brought the media into it. He gets credit for that. It gave him YET ANOTHER EXCUSE not to do his job. Bastid.
     
  5. Spade

    Spade Member

    Thank you koldkase

    As Henry Higgins said to Eliza Doolittle: I think you've got it! IMO The acts of the adults in this case point to a non-prosecutable juvenile perp.
     
  6. Elle

    Elle Member

    I'll second that KK. DA Alex Hunter was a rotten bastid, and he should have had the courage to arrest the Ramseys. There was enough evidence in the house leading right to the Ramseys.
     
  7. Show Me

    Show Me FFJ Senior Member

    You bet the fix was in when JB's body was found the Ramseys had 'lawyered up' thru baby killer Bynum...only a few hours later. Kolby was too busy lecturing us on the first amendment whilst riding his bicycle around Boulder...much more important than solving a crime.

    The political machine and the DA's office walked hand in hand to get the Ramseys off....Boulder doesn't do child murders you know.

    How these people can live with themselves is beyond me.
     
  8. MlazyV

    MlazyV Banned for Stupidity

    Spade, please add Pam Paugh to the list of assistant baby killers.

    She went into the home with a list of things under the pretense of getting funeral clothes for John and Patsy and took out almost everything but. She may not have known the truth then, but as time has elapsed, questions have been raised and she's had the opportunity to provide answers about who destroyed the life of that innocent child.

    Who physically wrote or composed the list?
    Was it dictated, if yes by who?
    Who specifically wanted certain items?
    Who wanted the American Girl dolls?
    Where were the dolls?
    Were they dressed?
    How were they dressed?
    Did they have coats on covering their dresses?
    Was she present in Atlanta when Nedra received the Molly doll?
    Did Nedra show her this purchase?
    Was she present when Nedra gave the doll to JonBenet?
    Was she told about the doll that came to Access Graphics?
    Who wanted the painting?
    Was it hanging on the wall?
    Did it have a cord attached for hanging?
    Were there items they wanted but didn't get out?
    Were there items they went back and forth about?
    Were there items they crossed off the list?
    Was she told exactly where everything was?
    Did she have to hunt for anything?
    Were things not where she was told they would be?
    What transpired when she returned with the items?
    How did they divy up the booty?
    Who wanted what?
    Where did the items go?
    What happened to the actual list?
    Was anybody else in on making up this list?
    Who else knew about the list?
    Who was present when it was being written?
    Who was present when it was given to her?
    Did the Ramsey's attorneys know about the list?



    from ITRMI
    "To disguise her identity from the media, Pam donned a Boulder Police
    jacket, complete with badge and patches. When they parked behind
    the house to dodge the media out front, Pam psyched herself up for the
    job ahead: "I can do this, I can do this, I can do this," she panted as she
    pulled on latex gloves."



    Pam Paugh wasn't being disguised from the media, they had no clue who that cow was. She was being disguised from the CBI and other non BPD agencies into looking like a genuine member of the BPD while inside stealing evidence... While removing the dolls of a murder victim who coincidently was found with doll clothes next to her dead little corpse. That wasn't a Barbie nightgown for JonBenet, it was a 'My Size Barbie' doll outfit and not regular fabric, more like vinyl.

    PAM KNOWS WAY MORE THAN SHE"S SAYING...

    [​IMG]

    ...and nobody asked why she took out three dresses to bury JonBenet in. Did they have a freaking fashion show at the funeral parlor? No they were likely used in the dress rehersals of the staging and just didn't make it to the final directors cut.


    Pam Paugh must be questioned to resolve the death of JonBenet.
     
  9. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    If

    If there was a juvenile offender why wouldn't the BPD be let in on that info. It would have been easier for all involved if they had known what was going on. The money and manpower wasted, if it is true, was huge. It would have saved a grand jury from having to meet for months, lots of detectives working overtime, and even the resignation of ST could have been avoided if someone had simply told Koby that Burke had done it, the Rams covered for it, and the DA made a deal to fix it.
    Also, why have a meeting with CASKU? If Alex Hunter had simply told the FBI about the situation that meeting would not need to happen.
    Of course the BPD could not take Mike Bynum's word for it that a juvenile had been the perp but the investigation could have focused on that possibility first and either proved or disproved that hypothesis.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2006
  10. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    BlueCrab lives!
     
  11. Spade

    Spade Member

    BlueCrab

    You are right Paradox, BlueCrab lives. Although his computer crashed and he is living in a new house.

    However, you are probably referring to this post of mine: IMO The acts of the adults in this case point to a non-prosecutable juvenile perp.

    It is obvious that you are a Colorado resident and are familiar with the local power structure. It is also obvious that you think Patsy did it in a moment of temporary insanity.

    Do you think Hal Haddon was temporarily insane when he went to Roy Romer to cash in a political chit on Alex Hunter's behalf? How about when Hal went to the White House to seal the phone records?

    The acts of the adults in this case point to a non-prosecutable juvenile perp.
     
  12. The Punisher

    The Punisher Member

    Bunch of chicken-s***s!
     
  13. Pearlsim

    Pearlsim FFJ Senior Member

    Spade

    Your arguments regarding the BDI theory are pretty compelling - particularly when you look at the actions that were taken so early on.

    I ask myself, would all that backroom brokering have gone on if John or Patsy killed JonBenet? Seems hard to believe that ANYONE would've gotten those early AM calls and been nonchalant about parents snuffing out their baby girl on Christmas night.

    But, there are a few things I want to ask you. First off, do you see it as a possibility that John and Patsy might have deliberately told Brynam etc..that BDI, when they were actually the ones who committed the crime? As in, did they have the sense to work it through (along with all that staging), and come up with the idea that it would be better to say that Burke accidentally killed his JonBenet, as opposed to having to admit one of them did it?

    Also, a more specific question. How do you explain John's fibers in JonBenet's underpants?
     
  14. Spade

    Spade Member

    Pearlism

    I don't think they knew that a person under ten years of age could not be held responsible. That was what they learned from Bynum's research.

    IMO John and Patsy did the staging because they thought Burke was going to be taken away. That is how John's fibers ended up in JonBenet's underwear. The family that slays together...stays together.
     
  15. BluesStrat

    BluesStrat BANNED !!!!!

    Right Spade, what parent would? (unless you already had a kid in trouble with the law...)

    I think the dictionary open and dog-eared to the word "incest" was part of the parents trying to find out what trouble Burke would be in.

    If you want to find out in the middle of the night if your kid broke a law, (and you don't have a shelf full of law books) you have two options: You use the internet (which can be traced and they couldn't do), or you look in the books you DO have in your house; dictionary - Bible - encyclopedia--etc.
     
  16. wombat

    wombat Member

    Remember - 1996 - the internet wasn't what it is now.
     
  17. Tril

    Tril Member

    It appears that all ABKs shared John Andrew Ramsey's expressed sentiment that forgiveness was the "punishment" the killer deserved.

    (Why would JAR say that if he thought an intruder, or John or Patsy killed JonBenet?)
     
  18. Spade

    Spade Member

    ABK list

    ABK list

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    Here is a partial list of ABK's who earned their title on 12/26/96:

    Patsy Ramsey ABK
    John Ramsey ABK
    Mike Bynum ABK
    Bryan Morgan ABK
    Hal Haddon ABK
    Peter Hofstrom ABK
    Bill Wise ABK
    Trip DeMuth ABK
    Alex Hunter ABK
    Ellis Armistead ABK
    Rev. Rol Hoverstock ABK
     
  19. heymom

    heymom Member

    You forgot Pam Paugh, the Human Vacuum Cleaner...sucking up evidence and making it disappear...

    Heymom
     
  20. Spade

    Spade Member

    Pam Paugh ABK

    Spade posted: "Here is a partial list of ABK's who earned their title on 12/26/96:"

    Pam Paugh ABK did not earn her initials for several days. But you are right, she sure earned them.
     
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