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    Thanks, Cherokee. Patsy really looks tall in her younger pictures. You're right - the thin body and high heels helped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina
    How strange was it that both Patsy and JonBenet have a feather bird wrapped around a wrist. If this a common accessory for show girls, I have yet to see it and I have seen a fair amount of Las Vegas productions!

    Patsy was definately reliving her pageant days through JonBenet.
    I've always thought Patsy's costume is not necessarily a showgirl outfit, but a mummer's costume. She was a mummer in high school. I don't think mummers are common any more, except in Philadelphia. They parade on New Year's Day.

    In "A Mother Gone Bad," Hodges writes about the showgirl outfits - apparently in psychiatry the birds are representative of penises and the big trains (bustles) are female symbols. Very sexualized.

    How she got away with some of these outfits, I do not understand. The black and white "beachwear" outfit - JonBenet started out in a long gown and stripped off the skirt and wrap, and then ended with a flash of her sunglasses and an open-mouth come-hither leer. Disgusting.

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    How do you paste a photo directly into the message box? I wanted to paste a photo of JonBenet but all I can do is link to it. Help!

    Anyway, from that Maketoast page, this Sickening is the one that bothers me the most. How old is she here? She still has brown hair, but look at the expression on her face. It's sexual. Someone has taught her how to look like that. No child starts out knowing how to do that.

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    From An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols;

    Birds. Transcendence; the soul; a spirit; divine manifestation; spirits of the air; spirits of the dead; ascent to heaven; ability to communicate with gods or to enter into a higher state of consciousness; thought; imagination. Birds frequently accompany the Hero on his quest or in slaying the dragon, giving him secret advice, and he understands the language of birds. This ability symbolizes heavenly communication or the help of celestial powers, such as angels.

    Hodges must be forgiven for being a Freudian.

    In DOI Patsy wrote about her experience of communicating with a god. And her use of angel imagery connected with JonBenet is well known. The Hero is on a quest for Victory! Patsy stepped into the waters of psychosis when she was very young.

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    Thank you WY!!!!

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    Ha! If my six year old daughter had ever looked like that, I'd have sent her to her room until she was 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watching You
    Ha! If my six year old daughter had ever looked like that, I'd have sent her to her room until she was 20.
    I'm just trying to think of how you would even get that across to a young child..."Tip your head back a little...Now start to close your eyes...but don't...then open your mouth a little..." NO - she was shown what to do, she must have imitated someone doing that, and watched herself in a mirror, and then filed that look away in her head, so that when the photographer said, "Now look sexy" or whatever, she brought that look out and put it on. This is not normal for young girls.

    There are other photos on that page where JonBenet is looking much more like a normal little girl, but many with "that look" too. Males know what that look says.

    Oh, yeah, and she has enough make-up on to be a full-grown woman. I can see eye-shadow and lipstick, probably she had mascara on as well.

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    It's about time someone else spotted that pic of her in the "peacock" costume. Three psych-types had something to say about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom
    I'm just trying to think of how you would even get that across to a young child..."Tip your head back a little...Now start to close your eyes...but don't...then open your mouth a little..." NO - she was shown what to do, she must have imitated someone doing that, and watched herself in a mirror, and then filed that look away in her head, so that when the photographer said, "Now look sexy" or whatever, she brought that look out and put it on. This is not normal for young girls.

    There are other photos on that page where JonBenet is looking much more like a normal little girl, but many with "that look" too. Males know what that look says.

    Oh, yeah, and she has enough make-up on to be a full-grown woman. I can see eye-shadow and lipstick, probably she had mascara on as well.

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    So, if you were 6 yrs old, would you eat pineapple with a stranger in the middle of the night? What about the pineapple that was found in Jonbenet's small intestine?

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    The photos of JonBenet with sexy expressions could be the result of accident rather than coaching. Those pictures could have been found among many done in a photo session. But there would probably have to be quite a number of photos for those rare expressions to show up, and a person would have to hunt them out. The fact that those sexy pictures were developed and published shows someone in charge was making inappropriate decisions concerning JonBenet and sexual expression.

    The sexualized gestures by JonBenet in the pageants could only have been coached. Therefor, it is logical to consider the sexual expressions in the photo shoots to have also been coached also.

    There is a sexual component to the Ramsey case; the apparent vaginal abuse.

    The sexual nature of John and Patsy should be looked at. Patsy dated few boys and they usually were older than she. She married an older man, and when proposed to, she said she had to ask her mother. There are reports of frigidity in her marriage. Yet she presented herself on stage as a person with knowledge of her sexuality.

    It is my opinion that Patsy was a girl and then a woman with a latent development of her own sexual nature. She learned to perform and present herself as sexual for the pageants and for society without ever having her own sexual nature stimulated and developed. She entered marriage by the motives of becoming a wife and instant mother to John's children and possibly a mother to her own children, but without the motive of sexual gratification.

    This is not unprecedented. It is in fact common in arranged marriages.

    Having never faced the instinct of her own sexual drive, Patsy did not learn to mediate it. She merely performed.

    Patsy fused her identity with JonBenet. As JonBenet grew, Patsy transfered her latent sexual development to the growing child. That latent development was compressed in time and in general it was not mediated. Patsy's latent sexual nature was inappropriately expressed through JonBenet.


    That is rather obvious in the pageants and photo shoots and it can be deduced from the evidence of vaginal abuse and the many trips to the doctor for ailments "in that region" of JB's body.

    All that being said, I don't think sex is the major factor in the Ramsey murder. The boundary of sex that was crossed by Patsy is one indication of a person with deeper problems; problems of ego development and identity development. Those problems led to a psychosis that was expressed with the typical attachment to mythic imagery.

    Sex is an ancillary theme in the Ramsey murder, not a primary motive, in my opinion.
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    I agree that sex was not the motive. I don't know much about these things, but I doubt that if a crazed paedo had the opportunity to have his way with JonBenet, he would have done more than he did. It was a violent crime in every other sense so I don't really wear explanations which suggest he only wanted to take photos. This crime shows signs of frenzy (head bash) so I cannot see the killer being gentle if sex was the motive.

    I've only recently seen the pageant videos thanks to Why_Nut (previously they were in a format I couldn't use) and she did wiggle her backside and wink. Is that something a 6 year old would do? Sure, my 6 year old winks at her dad and I in fun, but she thinks backside wiggling is rude/funny and she would be too shy to do that outside of the home. However, we have a different culture.
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