Karr--what to say? Karr's Lawyers: Porn Case Can't Go on - No Evidence

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by koldkase, Sep 27, 2006.

  1. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/15624040.htm

    Good lord. Somebody has been LYING all over the place in the prosecution of this case.

    Do they even require law students to read the U.S. Constitution?
     
  2. JoeJame

    JoeJame member

  3. BluesStrat

    BluesStrat BANNED !!!!!

    I LOVE IT!!! - Now let's make Lacy pay for a first class ticket back to Thailand! :jester:
     
  4. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I am shocked. For over a month, Sonoma County prosecutors KNEW they had no evidence to prosecute John Karr. For over a month the detectives responsible for the investigation in Karr's case have known that they did NOT have the evidence to prove Karr guilty of ANYTHING in A COURT OF LAW. For OVER A MONTH those responsible for upholding THE LAW have not only LIED about the evidence to the court, but they have CONSPIRED TO KEEP A MAN IN JAIL, WITH A BOND HE COULD NOT POSSIBLY MEET, BY LYING TO A JUDGE AND HAVING THE EVIDENCE SEALED FROM THE FREE PRESS.

    Am I reading this wrong? The OFFICERS OF THE COURT LIED TO THE JUDGE TO DETAIN A MAN AND KEEP THEIR ACTIONS FROM BEING DISCOVERED BY THE PRESS because they DON'T have any evidence to present to a jury to prove the charges they have made against him? And rather than even admit the truth NOW, they CONTINUE to obscure the truth?

    I know how morally despicable John Karr is. But we don't arrest and convict people for being immoral here. We don't have the Thought Police in America. And if John Karr has never been and will never be proven to have owned or solicited child pornography in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt, then he is not guilty under the law.

    I believe that a great many people are mad at John Karr because he confessed to the Ramsey murder and then ended up NOT being the killer. Then Sonoma County was forced to bring Karr back when they knew they had no evidence to prosecute him. A lot of people in LE were exposed for the frauds they are because of John Karr. Now it looks like the Sonona County prosecutor is so angry as to have lost her ability to perform as an officer of the court.

    The Ramsey curse continues....
     
  5. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I can see that. I just wish we had a U.S. Attorney General who would do HIS JOB and investigate the monumental failure of the justice system in the Ramsey murder and all the corruption that flowed from it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2006
  6. BluesStrat

    BluesStrat BANNED !!!!!

    KK, could it be that the FIVE photos (supposedly) of child porn aren't really children, but "barely legal" actresses - and this whole bit about losing the evidence is just a neatly concocted escape to keep from looking like fools in court?
     
  7. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Karr's Lawyers Porn Case Can't Go on - No Evidence

    I guess the Boulder DA's stupid virus has struck in California.




    Karr's Lawyers Argue Porn Case Can't Go On Without Evidence
    Thursday, September 28, 2006


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    SANTA ROSA, Calif. — Key evidence that's gone missing in the child pornography case against John Mark Karr could set the one-time JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect free from criminal charges for a second time.

    Karr's lawyers argued Wednesday that the five misdemeanor charges against their client should be dropped amid revelations that the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department lost the computer that allegedly held the pornographic images, as well as copies of its contents.

    Three hard drives, a laptop computer, diskettes and a zip drive were seized from Karr's home when he was arrested in 2001, but he fled before his trial.

    Sheriff's Detective John Eubanks, however, testified that he recently found more child porn among 1,600 pornographic images on about 100 diskettes, CDs and a removable disk drive taken from Karr in 2001. He has not been charged in connection with those images.

    Sonoma County Superior Court Judge Cerena Wong interrupted Eubanks' testimony, calling his analysis of the other evidence irrelevant.

    "That computer which contained those five images is missing," Wong said.

    ...


    "We checked every computer that we had," she testified. "This is the first time this has ever happened."

    With the copies also missing, all that remains is reports from the 2001 investigation about what was contained on the computer.

    Defense lawyer Gayle Gutekunst argued that she now has no way to properly defend Karr nor would prosecutors be able to make a case against him because "the crime scene is gone."

    Karr rejected a plea deal and remains jailed on $200,000 bail. He chose not to attend Wednesday's hearing.

    The 41-year-old former schoolteacher was arrested in Thailand last month after suggesting he killed JonBenet, a 6-year-old beauty queen, in her Boulder, Colo., home in 1996. He was returned to the U.S., but the Ramsey case quickly collapsed after DNA failed to connect him to the crime.

    Earlier, Wong said she sealed police records in the Karr case partly because Chief Deputy District Attorney Joann Risse had said they were still examining the computer. She criticized Risse for misleading her and said she would reconsider unsealing the search and arrest warrants when the hearing continues Friday.

    Ritter said she told the lead investigator as early as Aug. 18 that the computer was missing. The prosecutor admitted she knew about it since Aug. 30.

    Gutekunst, who wasn't notified until Sept. 21, said she believes "what may have started out as sloppiness," may now rise to "bad faith" on the part of the prosecutor and worthy of possible sanctions.
     
  8. heymom

    heymom Member

    OK, totally shallow post...

    Doesn't Karr look more manly now that his not getting those hormones??? I think he's gained weight too. Incarceration suits him... :laughup:

    End of shallow post...

    Everything connected with the Ramseys is suspcious, or "hinky" as y'all call it. I think Karr was a set-up from the beginning and was surprised he didn't "commit suicide" in jail. Somebody didn't do their job right.

    Heymom
     
  9. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    I will meet your shallow and raise you one more shallow comment:

    LOOK AT THOSE EYES!!! WOW

    :eek:
     
  10. heymom

    heymom Member

    What do you mean - I think he looks positively miserable. Not evil, but that's my opinion and you know what they say...

    I think he's a pathetic excuse for a bus victim. Not that Nancy Krebs was a good victim...

    Heymom
     
  11. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    How long before he shows up at the graves?
     
  12. heymom

    heymom Member

    About 10 minutes after they release him.

    Heymom
     
  13. Greenleaf

    Greenleaf FFJ Senior Member

    The Tenacles of the RST...

    Could it be that the RST’S tentacles reach all the way to Sonoma County in California? If a conspiracy exists, is it because of a possible nexus between information on Karr’s hard drive and secrets that the RST desires to squelch? Sounds incredible? Well, nearly everything about this case is incredible.

    Of course, if true, the destruction of Karr’s hard drive, and its copies, would have been a deliberate act by someone at the place where the records are stored. If the RST can infiltrate the office of two D.A.’S, a well-known Profiler, a retired Detective, an Atlanta Judge and even a Minister in Hawaii, it can surely make contact with a little records keeper in Sonoma County.

    Perhaps the F.B.I should be looking for a recent large bank deposit in the account of the Sonoma County records keeper.

    This whole thing stinks. We, at FFJ, are committed to using our “tentacles†to spread the facts and expose those who are determined to bury the truth.

    I am optimistic, because I believe that this entire Karr-tape- saga might very well be the catalyst, which arouses the curiosity of seasoned journalists, to seriously start pursuing the set-up and workings of the RST. What a convoluted mess awaits their unraveling and exposure!

    Thanks, KoldKase for starting this interesting thread. Hi, BluesStrat, Watching You, Paradox, heymom and Barbara.

    :leaf:
     
  14. Elle

    Elle Member

    Oh, how I hope you're right about this Greenleaf (?). So much valuable time has been wasted with this Karr saga.
     
  15. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    Shouldn't it be F.F.J. and R.S.T. if it's going to be F.B.I. and D.A.? :thumbsup:
     
  16. Voyager

    Voyager Active Member

    Ha!

    HeyMom,

    I loved the part of your post about John Karr...." Incarceration suits him." :) Totally agree with that statement for more reasons that one....

    And Greenleaf, I surely do hope that your optimism turns out to be fact but I have my doubts where this case is concerned...

    Voyager
     
  17. heymom

    heymom Member

    Hi Greenleaf! Glad to see you out of your corner!! :hiya:

    Heymom
     
  18. tylin

    tylin Banned

    I am so ticked off about this. It's rather obvious to me that Karr is a sicko who should be off the streets. But that will never happen because Karr was galleywagged...he was brought back to America under false pretenses imo. No confession (We knew that was BS.) No evidence. No nothing. And now this freak, who falsely confessed to JonBenet's murder and who spoke about making love to a little dead girl in her coffin, will be walking around a free man, visiting JBR's grave and collecting pictures of other little girls. :loser:
    WHY? Let me see if I have this straight, the DA's office lost Karr's supposed porn photos. That was 5 photos right? Didn't the San Fran Chron report Tuesday that over 1000 photos were found on Karr's computer? Wait.....was that 1000 photo's or 1000 porn photos? :eek: Now I get it...it flippin doesn't matter because the incompetent DA's in CA lost the photos and the the files. Let me correct that...they lost the entire computer! :rs:
     
  19. heymom

    heymom Member

    They also lost the hard copies of the files that they made from the computer.

    Heymom
     
  20. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I think the only conspiracy is that DA Lacy needed the Sonoma County DA to score with Karr. Otherwise, Lacy is still the idiot who had him hog tied by serveral agencies and brought half way round the world to dump on THE GOOD OLD U.S. OF A.

    Think about it. All Lacy had to plead in her defense of bringing Karr here was that he was "about to molest a child in Thailand." Since she had the Sonoma County warrant and fugitive status of Karr as plan B, she brought Karr through there first, once the press took her by surprise and she realized she had to scramble to get that "evidence" against Karr solidly laid out. That would be after she informed LIN WOOD that she was arresting Karr and HE blabbed it to the press IMMEDIATELY and created the same old firestorm that hampered the investigation on Day One. Lacy found herself understanding what Hunter had to deal with: how do you conspire with the prime suspects in a child murder and not tip your hand when you're under a microscope of press scrutiny? hahaha I have a suspicion that John Karr would be signing a plea deal in Boulder as I type had the press not gotten onto this so fast: LWOP on condition that he never opened his mouth about the case again. Welcome to facism.

    Now y'all know why I love the free press, why I am so offended deep in my American soul that the Ramseys via Wood have worked so hard to bury the free press and freedom of speech. I believe the Ramseys would love nothing better than to put an innocent "intruder" in prison, so they could take a VICTORY lap like they were trying to do after Karr was arrested.

    Lacy knew Karr's DNA didn't match when he was still in Thailand. She just hoped she could link Karr through his "confessions" to Tracey, detailed as they were. Too bad she and Det. Bennett knew LESS about the case than JOHN KARR. Like what the actual evidence IS.... And it's good they also knew less about the evidence THAN WE DO, or they'd all still be drinking champagne over catching their "intruder," with Tracey hot on his FINAL croc, featuring HIMSELF AS RAMSEY SAVIOR.....

    So once the truth did shake out and Lacy had to let Karr go, she fell back on PLAN B: Sonoma County was going to lock him up and/or at least get him registered as a sex offender. Oooops. SOME in Sonoma County already KNEW on Aug. 18th, WHEN KARR WAS BEING DETAINED AND FLOWN BACK TO THE U.S....no computer, no copies of those "child porn" images. I'm sure they were PRAYING that Karr was the intruder.

    Poor mame. She has instincts. She could just FEEL that something was going on behind the scenes with Karr in Sonoma! So she went to the one place she ALWAYS goes: it's a child sex ring, and they're connecting it to JonBenet and THE WHITES! hahaha Uh, not quite. The "something" is that Sonoma County was desperately trying to figure out how to keep the press from finding out THEY HAD NADA AGAINST KARR.

    I agree with BlueS. I think it's quite possible they knew those images were not going to convict Karr anyhow. So how were they going to explain KEEPING A MAN IN JAIL FOR SIX MONTHS when their evidence would not hold up in court? IF this is the case, if all they really had against Karr was Wendy Hutchens' tapes, which revealed that Karr was in a "channeling child killer" mode during their phone calls for THEIR STATED PURPOSES of writing a book about child killers, if the 5 images in question were nothing more than the "barely legal" stuff we see on TV every night (I hate those "Girls Gone Wild" ads so much I block out those channels which air them--and might I add that if you've seen them while channel surfing, the latest court case with the producer of these, settled THIS WEEK, was about THE GIRLS ARE UNDERAGE), then they were never going to prove anything about Karr except that his civil rights have been trampled on over and over again by TWO U.S. Attorneys now.

    With the press documenting it all.

    Now, I don't know if any of the above is the case. All I know is that's how it looks to me. I know John Karr got into a very sick place, but I have to wonder how much of that was coercion on the part of Wendy Hutchens and Michael Tracey. Is Karr a child predator? I wouldn't let him near my child, that's for sure. He's a grown man, and if he got entrapped TWICE for the same PERVERSE fantasies, he can own it. If he is guilty of being a predator of children, then I hope he is caught and buried in prison for it. But until the evidence of this is presented to a jury in a fair trial, until he's convicted, I have questions, because I KNOW that Michael Tracey is a con and a scoundrel, looking to line his own pockets while he holds court with the press to state he won't talk to the press.

    Someone said that the JonBenet case is a wingnut magnet, and nothing but bad stuff EVER comes out of it. It burns everyone who touches it, because it's a truly evil deed and the truly evil person who did it has cursed everyone who conspires to keep her/him from taking responsibility for the crimes committed against JonBenet and all the other victims since. It just never ends, does it?
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2006
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