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    Default What do you see in JBR crime scene photos?

    Look close at CRIME scene photo's and ALL photo's:
    I blew the photo's up to screen size and just started to look around at each for what I could see that might be revelant for the case. Went on ACR again and looked at all she has there. Here's what caught my eye:
    1.) If you look on JBR's "Slept in" bed, you will see by her large pillow a "Doll" is laying there. She looks to have been "Mussed" with as her hair is not neat and in what she is wearing a white satin long outfit, seems to big? Does anyone else know what doll this is? Later photo's show the bed empty of sheets, pillow, matress liner (Plastic like the other bed). There is something on the bed, can't make it out. NO Doll. Was this doll one of the one's Pam grabbed? A dolls round head is a "Smooth" surface. Could this have been used as the weapon for the head injury?
    2.) I also noticed it appears me that the 2 Piece ribbed White night wear 2 piece set JBR had on when she was discovered appears to be the exact SAME Pj's she was wearing Xmas Morning! Get outta town on this one! You can't see the star on the shirt, as in the photo of her alive Xmas morning, she has her knees drawn up to cover it. She was also found with a Barbie nighty, I believe. Why 2 sets of night clothing. Did she put the barbie gown on the night of the 25th for bed, then later was re-dressed that night in "Yesterdays" Jamies?? after or during her murder? Notice that the very bottom sleaves of the top are Dirty... Worn before?
    3.)I also noticed another "Strewn" doll in one of the photo's, it is UNDER her Chest of Drawer night stand. Clearly Visable.
    4.) I noticed 3 asian dolls in the room downstairs with the craft stuff on shelving. ALL of these dolls have "Black" long hair. When I looked at the photo of JBR's Hand, the top not palm, I can see a LONG black hair on her top.
    Much more to go, But a Am a lister of questions in "Groups" of stuff. So, I will open another post on more later. Any Insight team???

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    I need to revisit the photos because I don't remember some of them.
    I do have a comment about your point #2. Remember JBR was found in the white jammies? She'd been wiped down and redressed in those very jammies and the Barbie gown was found near her. Didn't Patsy say she put JonBenet to bed in her turtleneck and pj bottoms?

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    Default Revisit please!!

    Hi Tylin,
    Thanks for the reply. YES, I did hear of Patsy reply that JBR went to bed in a turtle neck. But, Patsy always lies. Remember, she fell asleep in the car, so she had to go to bed in a turtleneck. I say, bedtime snack with Mom, dad, Burke, Pinapple of course!! Somewhere her clothing was changed. I hope we can find some proof of anything here!!! Thanks!

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    You're welcome. I'm checking out the crime scene photos now. Sounds like you made some interesting observations about the dolls and their places in the room. Thanks for bringing up such good questions.

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    I applaud you, InSight ... for looking at old evidence again. It's always a good Idea to take a fresh look.

    I had recently enlarged images of JonBenet's bedroom and bed and noticed some new, and I think interesting stuff.

    Most notable were the folds in the bottom sheet on her bed. Look at the pattern. It APPEARS that something heavy (like a body) had been DRAGGED to the edge of the bed. The way I see it, it looks like someone dragged the body to a point NEAR the edge of the bed, then picked it up.

    ... I say this becuz it does NOT look like an awake child of JonBenet's size skootched to the edge of the bed, then hopped off the bed. In other words, she was REMOVED from the bed, and did NOT get off of the bed herself. I say this becuz the fold/wrinkle pattern in the sheets ends at a point too far from the edge for someone as small as JonBenet to have gotten her feet anywhere near the floor. The bed is very high, and someone JonBenet's size would need to essentially slide off the bed ... and the folds in the sheets would indicate that.

    what does that mean?

    ... hard to say. But, to moi, it suggests that JonBenet was REMOVED from the bed, and did NOT get out under her own steam. Who would do that ... remove her ... and WHY?

    Who COULD remove her ... lift her? Burke? I think NOT.



    Just something to ponder. I'll try to find the crime scene imag and post it later.



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    Thank you Yum Yum. I have always seen you as an very good source of information for this case! I really luv alot of you inshight and posts. Point taken, the sheets looks dragged and that dustruffle is a mess! In my opinion the entire HOUSE was a mess. Old toaster oven, clothes everywhere, Stuff everywhere. It appears nothing has a place! On one of the CSP's of the kitchen area shows another room, papers everywhere! Do you think Patsy was jealous of her daughter to the point that JBR said NO more pagents, and mom said...LIKE HELL! I spell like S**T@ Sorry! Hard for me to type.

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    Excellent observations Insight!

    The hair on her shirt is clear as day, as a matter of fact I see a second strands curving under the first.



    It's possible this is doll wig hair considering there was never a ferver to ID this like the underbelly fuzz?

    I'm not sure about the doll on the bed, it's not crystal clear to me it is a doll.



    BUT if it is, it could be the American Girl doll Kirsten. As I've said before the hair care on these dolls is a nightmare.

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    Default Posting Photo's

    I can't figure out how to attach the photo's I have. any help?

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    All I see on that bed is a bottom sheet that hasn't been put on properly. I can't see how you can say a person was dragged off. Didn't someone say the sheets had been changed that night? Did the police get the sheets that were changed off?

    As for the doll, that looks like a bump made by the bedspread. Sometimes if you blow photos up too much, you see things that aren't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YumYum012
    I applaud you, InSight ... for looking at old evidence again. It's always a good Idea to take a fresh look.

    I had recently enlarged images of JonBenet's bedroom and bed and noticed some new, and I think interesting stuff.

    Most notable were the folds in the bottom sheet on her bed. Look at the pattern. It APPEARS that something heavy (like a body) had been DRAGGED to the edge of the bed. The way I see it, it looks like someone dragged the body to a point NEAR the edge of the bed, then picked it up.

    ... I say this becuz it does NOT look like an awake child of JonBenet's size skootched to the edge of the bed, then hopped off the bed. In other words, she was REMOVED from the bed, and did NOT get off of the bed herself. I say this becuz the fold/wrinkle pattern in the sheets ends at a point too far from the edge for someone as small as JonBenet to have gotten her feet anywhere near the floor. The bed is very high, and someone JonBenet's size would need to essentially slide off the bed ... and the folds in the sheets would indicate that.

    what does that mean?

    ... hard to say. But, to moi, it suggests that JonBenet was REMOVED from the bed, and did NOT get out under her own steam. Who would do that ... remove her ... and WHY?

    Who COULD remove her ... lift her? Burke? I think NOT.



    Just something to ponder. I'll try to find the crime scene imag and post it later.

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    ...YumYum
    http://maketoast.com/cssheet.jpg[/IMG]

    Yum Yum, have you had any luck in fixing the Ramsey's Hawaii video Part 1? I can get the audio on the Connecting Point website but gee, I just need to see them and their body language. Thanks!

    Heymom
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    Quote Originally Posted by INSIGHT
    I can't figure out how to attach the photo's I have. any help?
    I'll try Insight. I know how you feel when you want to do something like this. I like to know as much as I can. Even after I found out, problems still appeared. Good luck.

    When you have finished typing your post, scroll down underneath the "submit reply" frame until you come to
    Additional Options


    Keep scrolling down until you come to Manage Attachments. This brings up another frame. Click on browse and this allows you to go to your file where you keep your photos. Click on the photo you want to attach, and the file should transfer to this frame. Then you click Upload and wait until you see it uploaded, then close the frame. Then submit your post. Fingers crossed.

    If I have missed anything, maybe Moab or someone else can help (?).
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    Just my opinion.

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    YumYum,

    Hypothetically, if we are accusing the Ramseys of staging the garrote scene in the basement; then this would also include staging in JonBenét's bedroom. They would need to make it look like an intruder had taken her from her bed, plus anything else which would match a fictitious intruder (?).
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
    Just my opinion.



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