Page 1 of 23 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 12 of 267

Thread: Questions

  1. #1

    Default Questions

    Does anyone know who exactly was the first to come up with the 'erotic asphyxiation' stuff when trying to explain the garrote contraption? Wasn't this Lou Smit? Or even JohnRamsey?

  2. #2

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon
    Does anyone know who exactly was the first to come up with the 'erotic asphyxiation' stuff when trying to explain the garrote contraption? Wasn't this Lou Smit? Or even JohnRamsey?
    I thought it was Cyril Wecht. He goes on and on about it in his book?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    574

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sboyd
    I thought it was Cyril Wecht. He goes on and on about it in his book?
    I thought it was Singular....but then again most of these details are new to me.

  4. #4

    Default

    Many posters here have a lot of legal knowledge, and I'd appreciate your help with this question:

    Do suspects have the right to be shown the evidentiary record, like e. g. lab findings when they have not yet been charged with a crime?

    For in many discussions about the fiber evidence, die-hard IDIs try to dilute this damaging fiber evidence against the Ramseys by alleging that since lawyer Levin (who confronted them with this evidence) did not show the Ramseys the CBI lab findings, there is no proof that the fibers were actually found there.
    But I suppose Levin had no legal obligation to show the Ramseys anything.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Born under a bad sign.
    Posts
    491

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon
    Do suspects have the right to be shown the evidentiary record, like e. g. lab findings when they have not yet been charged with a crime?
    No they don't. Hunter and his morons gave the evidence away to Team Ramsey by using the excuse that they would see it anyway if there was a trial. The Ramseys refused to cooperate and submit to interviews unless they saw the evidence against them.

  6. #6

    Default

    We're having quite a vivid discussion with IDIs over at Courttv re John's fibers in the crotch area of JB's underpants. Knowing how damaging this evidence is, they
    fight tooth and nail by claiming that Levin lied to the Ramseys about the evidence.
    When I pointed out to them that unlike the police, a lawyer is not allowed to lie in such a situation, I got the
    answer that since this was no deposition, "only" an interview where no one was sworn in, Levin, although a lawyer, was not obliged to tell the truth.
    I suppose that this is just another attempt by IDIs to throw sand in people's eyes, but since I do not have much legal knowledge, could you legally well-informed people help me here?
    Was Levin obliged to tell the truth in this interview? TIA for replying.

    Another poster tried to ridicule the whole matter, asking me if I lived on the moon to be so naive to believe that "lawyers don't lie" .

    Of course I know that lawyers can lie (just look at Lin Wood, lol), but Levin here was not acting as someone's defense lawyer whose duty was to his client only, and not necessarily to the truth.
    For Levin was acting here on behalf of the United States, which is a totally different situation.


    VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF JOHN RAMSEY
    August 29, 2000:

    On behalf of John and Patsy Ramsey:
    4 L. LIN WOOD, Esq.
    5 Law Offices of L. Lin Wood
    6 2140 The Equitable Building
    7 100 Peachtree Street
    8 Atlanta, Georgia 30303
    9 .
    10 On behalf of The United States:
    11 MICHAEL KANE, Esq.
    12 BRUCE LEVIN, Esq.
    13 MITCH MORRISSEY, Esq.
    14 MARK R. BECKNER
    15 TOM WICKMAN
    16 TOM TRUJILLO
    17 JANE HARMER
    So these IDIs think that lawyer Levin, acting on behalf of the United States, was instructed to tell John Ramsey this lie?

    Why was it lawyer Levin who told JR about the fibers, and not for example, Mark Beckner, who was from the police?
    Why would Levin risk getting disbarred by lying to John Ramsey?

    Another thing to consider: suppose it had come to trial. If it then was revealed that this fiber evidence never existed, the defense would have a field day with that. For they could then prove to the jury that the prosecution had tried to frame John Ramsey.
    Do these IDIs really think the prosecution would have put themselves in such a situation where everything could have backfired? No way imo.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Somewhere over the rainbow
    Posts
    3,481

    Default

    As much as I despise defense lawyers, I still understand and recognize that they are bound by specific laws when it comes to the information they have from their clients. They have very careful ways to present things, which are technically not lies. So no, lawyers do not technically lie.

    These are people who would believe that lawyers on behalf of the United States would lie to incriminate the Ramseys. Yes, absolutely.
    "We're not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be." - C.S. Lewis

    MY OPINIONS - DO NOT COPY THEM ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE INTERNET!

  8. #8

    Default

    Help is on the way!

    While some argue that investigators deliberately falsely claimed to have found such fibers to see how John would react, the Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct state: Rule 4.1 Truthfulness in Statements to Others "In the course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly: a) make a false or misleading statement of fact or law to a third person; or(b) fail to disclose a material fact to a third person when disclosure is necessary to avoid assisting a criminal or fraudulent act by a client, unless disclosure is prohibited by Rule 1.6. COMMENT Misrepresentation A lawyer is required to be truthful when dealing with others on a client's behalf, but generally has no affirmative duty to inform an opposing party of relevant facts. A misrepresentation can occur if the lawyer incorporates or affirms a statement of another person that the lawyer knows is false. Misrepresentations can also occur by failure to act."

  9. #9

    Default

    The Punisher: your info was of great help.
    None of the IDIs over there could refute it, and it sure brought an end to their nonsenical allegation that lawyer Levin 'lied' to John Ramsey about the fiber evidence. Thanks a bunch!
    Last edited by rashomon; December 17, 2006, 4:59 am at Sun Dec 17 4:59:38 UTC 2006. Reason: typo

  10. #10

    Default

    (as John Wayne): Plenty glad to be of service!

  11. #11

    Default

    I have read somewhere (but don't recall where) that coroner Dr. Meyer said JonBenet obviously had been digitally penetrated.
    Since this is not in Meyer's autopsy report - does anyone remember when and where he said that and could direct me to the source?
    For even if he said this e. g. during the autopsy to Linda Arndt, shouldn't such crucial info have shown up in his autopsy report too?

    Or was this a later statement of Dr. Meyer's - could it be that he changed his mind?

    TIA to anyone who could help clear this up.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    8,381

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStrat
    No they don't. Hunter and his morons gave the evidence away to Team Ramsey by using the excuse that they would see it anyway if there was a trial. The Ramseys refused to cooperate and submit to interviews unless they saw the evidence against them.
    Thanks to Alex Hunter, Blue, they could change their own testimony and rehearse what they were going to say the next time around.
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
    Just my opinion.



Similar Threads

  1. I have questions....
    By koldkase in forum Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum
    Replies: 82
    Last Post: July 22, 2012, 3:25 pm, Sun Jul 22 15:25:08 UTC 2012
  2. Questions for LE
    By rashomon in forum Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: November 30, 2008, 7:01 pm, Sun Nov 30 19:01:33 UTC 2008
  3. Two Questions
    By Moab in forum Miriam Zambie Illes Case Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: February 21, 2004, 11:52 pm, Sat Feb 21 23:52:36 UTC 2004
  4. what 5 questions would you ask
    By Little in forum Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: July 27, 2003, 5:18 pm, Sun Jul 27 17:18:29 UTC 2003

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •