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    Mame posted this:-

    One of the legal problems Tricia has in all this is the main defendant can go to her forums and show ALL the posts that are lies and break the TOS...if there is a pattern of allowing this kind of criminal posting it opens a huge can of worms for Tricia and her forums.
    That is garbage. Each person is responsible for their own behaviour and pointing at someone else's behaviour is no defence for breaking the law.

    This is like someone getting caught for selling illegal drugs and using the fact that others do it too as a defence!
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    All this aside. If someone is stalking you and threatening you, isn't it normal practice to involve the police? If someone threatened me and had me in fear of my life, I'm not sure the action I'd take would be to sue them. I'd want them locked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee

    Obviously, Undertheradar is a nutcase. Obviously, his/her mad rantings on the internet don't amount to a hill of beans. The lawsuit isn't about "damage" to Westmoreland's person or reputation. So what is it about?

    Is it some kind of payback from Lin Wood and the RST? [YES]

    Is Westmoreland trying to get the name of a person who is stalking him in real life? [DOUBTFUL, AS OTHER TYPES OF STALKING COULD BE INVESTIGATED IN REAL LIFE MORE EFFECTIVELY]

    Is Lin Wood using Westmoreland to garner fame, attention and money since the Ramsey cash cow dried up? [NOW YOU'RE THINKING....]

    Does the high and mighty Westmoreland read at WS and Topix to know that Undertheradar was posting about him, or did someone alert Lin Wood who then sold Westmoreland on the idea of a lawsuit? [OR DID SOMEONE POST AS UNDERTHERADAR TO SETUP THE LAW SUIT?]
    Never underestimate the pressure on Wood to create publicity-driven suits, as that is his bread and butter, his claim to fame. Now working for a huge law firm, he's got to produce, doncha' know.... Jewel's case set him up. The Ramseys put him on the map. Gary Condit had no sympathy factor, cold fish that Condit revealed himself to be on TV, and the remains of Chandra being found brought all that to a dead end, publicly. Now that Tracey's faux pas left them all with egg on their faces, since we're the peanut gallery, throwing shells at them and laughing at the farce...why not go back to the same trough to see if it's got some face time on TV to get that PUBLICITY MONEY CAN'T BUY.... What does Wood care if this suit happens or not? Ask ANY lawyer how much it would cost to get their mugs on prime time TV like Wood does? It's not even POSSIBLE to buy that kind of TV time.

    We know the internet is the new Wild Wild West. Unchartered territory, legally. Wood would love to get his name in the legal books of internet history, don't you think? Win or lose, it's FACE TIME.

    Well, it's interesting. How many years have we had this crap spun by the very same people who libel and slander everyone THEY want to label as SUSPECTS or CHILD KILLERS. Of course, they PREFER to libel DEAD PEOPLE, OR INDIGENTS. Only mame and Krebs have been stupid enough to libel those with the money to sue them. But the Whites figured out long ago, nothing to win for them, but MORE PUBLIC ACCUSATIONS which will be REMEMBERED long after everyone forgets they were found NOT TRUE.

    See, that's what I can't figure out about Westmoreland? Is he that stupid? Doesn't he KNOW he's simply putting himself out there now in the public eye as SOMEONE CONSIDERED A SUSPECT IN A CHILD MURDER...by someone who is in all probability mentally ill to start with--AND THAT THE PUBLIC MAY NEVER GET/UNDERSTAND INFORMATION ABOUT THE MENTAL STATUS OF THE ACCUSER, BUT ONLY REMEMBER THE ACCUSATIONS? If the poster isn't a plant all along, that is?

    I mean, HELLLLOOOOOO? MENTALLY ILL? NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS. NOT LIABLE?

    See how that goes? Why would Wood sue A CRAZY PERSON?

    I don't think it's about Westmoreland, IMO.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
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    Hate to tell you Don, this is totally prosecutable. The forum owner, server, individual...they ALL are liable. Lin Wood would never file this suit unless he knew he could win it. TRUTH trumps all...

    I wouldn't be surprised if FFJ and Websleuths both come down shortly...their ISP might not want to risk further liability
    Guess the Suma idiot doesn't know we are our own host and we own our own server, so rush right out and call us Mary...we will flip a coin as to who answers the phone...one ringydingy...two ringydingy...nice try, but neither forum is going down.
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    Mame said this...AGAIN IGNORANT OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAW?

    One of the legal problems Tricia has in all this is the main defendant can go to her forums and show ALL the posts that are lies and break the TOS...if there is a pattern of allowing this kind of criminal posting it opens a huge can of worms for Tricia and her forums.
    If this is a CRIMINAL case, why is WOOD handling it and filing it as a CIVIL SUIT? And again, I BEG someone to tell me what CRIMINAL STATUTES have been INDICTED in this?

    If this is a CIVIL CASE, why is mame referring to the PLAINTIFF as THE DEFENDANT?

    OR is mame trying to say the DEFENDANT in a CIVIL case would go to WS and find POSTS that are LIES and...how would he PROVE all these posts are LIES? Well, I know that ALL MAME'S POSTS ABOUT THE WHITES CAN BE PROVEN TO BE LIES--because she published the EVIDENCE of the FALSE ACCUSATIONS HERSELF on the internet years ago and then chose to IGNORE IT, but mame doesn't POST at WS...only at THE SWAMP AND TOPIX, apparently...and think about that for a minute...all the RST who showed up at Topix lately to libel the Whites...and that's one of the forums named in the suit...but I digress....

    Is mame trying to say that there is a lawyer around who can prove that people's opinions on a discussion forum, WS and Topix, about a very public murder case are lies and therefore defendant undertheradar can argue he KNEW these posts were LIES and so by logical INFERENCE decided to LIE about WESTMORELAND KNOWINGLY? And THAT'S A DEFENSE AGAINST A LIBEL SUIT?

    Oh my god.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    KK! Of course it's not about Westmoreland. Another thought, since Westmoreland was and maybe still is JR financial advisor, I can't help but believe they've all reached an agreement of sorts (Woody, Westmoreland). Maybe Woddy is doing this pro bono as it's a win win situation. Even if he loses the case, which he no doubt will, it get's him the publicity and fame, probably tv interviews, which pay big bucks, as freedom of speech and the internet is a new hot topic. Westmoreland could even have a deal worked out for the same, or a cut, or maybe,even a book deal since I'm sure he very well knows no one gave that poster any credibility, I can't think of any other reason for him to file this ridiculous suit.

    Lets face it, if Woody was REALLY interested in defending the falsly accused in this case, he would have filed LONG AGO against many of the Ramsey supporters. It's soooo obvious. Maybe he should review all of Mame's posts and Tracey's doccys, and Jammys forum, but I won't hold my breath, after all, the fat cats of Boulder protect their own, and forgive me, but there's no way in hell I believe that Woody has anyone's best interest at heart, except his own friggen pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon_2
    KK! Of course it's not about Westmoreland. Another thought, since Westmoreland was and maybe still is JR financial advisor, I can't help but believe they've all reached an agreement of sorts (Woody, Westmoreland). Maybe Woddy is doing this pro bono as it's a win win situation. Even if he loses the case, which he no doubt will, it get's him the publicity and fame, probably tv interviews, which pay big bucks, as freedom of speech and the internet is a new hot topic. Westmoreland could even have a deal worked out for the same, or a cut, or maybe,even a book deal since I'm sure he very well knows no one gave that poster any credibility, I can't think of any other reason for him to file this ridiculous suit.

    Lets face it, if Woody was REALLY interested in defending the falsly accused in this case, he would have filed LONG AGO against many of the Ramsey supporters. It's soooo obvious. Maybe he should review all of Mame's posts and Tracey's doccys, and Jammys forum, but I won't hold my breath, after all, the fat cats of Boulder protect their own, and forgive me, but there's no way in hell I believe that Woody has anyone's best interest at heart, except his own friggen pockets.
    Patsy is dead.
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    Wood is not particularly well liked as a person.
    The Ramsey cash cow is dry.
    Wood thrives on high profile, high profit settlements.
    He thrives on TV talk shows and publicity.

    Having said that, it is quite possible he is testing the legal waters on this one, hoping that if this works out, as it has the Ramsey name attached to it, he can open up a whole new area of public, high profile internet settlements.

    That is my theory as to why Lin Wood would attach his name to something like this non lawsuit. After all, he hasn't been on a talk show, blowing his own horn since JMK. He's probably still kicking himself

    I think he took this on for the publicity to get his name back out there; and if he can make a few bucks in the process, fine. I would be curious to know just how busy he has been vocationally with the Ramsey case dry.

    Careful Lin, you just might get the publicity you seek; but it might not be a good thing to be so well known as an obstacle to FREEDOM OF SPEECH especially given the recent climate of America's mood.
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    Since when did Westmoreland become unemployed?
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Lin filed this under the initials R.W. to protect Rod's identity. The Smoking Gun and then Suma revealed who the Plaintiff was.
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    "As a direct amd proximate result of the false accusations maliciously published by Defendant, Plaintiff has suffered special damages in that he suffered a permanant impairment to his ability to obtain or maintain gainful employment."
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    "As a direct amd proximate result of the false accusations maliciously published by Defendant, Plaintiff has suffered special damages in that he suffered a permanant impairment to his ability to obtain or maintain gainful employment."
    The only even remote possibility of that being true is if someone at Merrill Lynch Googled his name, found the posts by undrtheradar, and cut the Westmoreland Group loose on that basis alone. But that would seem to be an act of insanity on its own, especially if Rod's group was helping Merrill Lynch make money, and especially if it opened the door for Rod to sue Merrill Lynch for unlawful termination or something similar.

    What is true is that, as of 2004 at the very least, Rod was in a position to donate thousands of dollars to the political campaigns of John Ramsey and George Bush, and he donated between $100,000 and $249,999 to the Lovett School for a fundraiser, as is a matter of public record.



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