A Call For Protection

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Moab, Apr 2, 2002.

  1. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    JonBenet’s Parents Call For Protection of All Children

    Dun made this link available to us in the Nehemiah thread. I guess I never saw this article when it came out or I would have been up-in-arms then about it like I am now…

    http://www.americustimesrecorder.co...oc=detail&doc=/2002/January/29-108-ramsey.txt

    This is an article about J&P talking to a Kiwanis Club group where Patsy said "We have got to come to the rescue of our children†and then she went on to say “this is a form of terrorism. There’s got to be some reason and good to come out of the death of our daughter.â€

    Isn’t it interesting that the use of the word terrorism comes up after 9-11

    From the article…â€The aftermath was what Patsy Ramsey referred to as the ‘media event of the decade.’"

    Excuse me…but Patsy and her antics ended up being the ‘media event of the year’…not JBR’s death

    One of the issues of the organization, Friends for JonBenet, with which the Ramseys are affiliated, is lobbying to make the murder of a child a federal crime.

    Friends for JonBenet is another media event, and not doing much more than the JonBenet Foundation which is a sham

    The article qotes John as saying "The message we want to say is: 'You hurt one of our children, we're going to come after you with all the resources we can muster.' Evil does exist.â€

    I don’t think John ever said the word evil until President Bush said it referencing the terrorism of 9-11...the same for the phrase 'with all the resounces we can muster'

    Another issue was to keep the tabloid newspapers and magazines out of sight of children in stores. Patsy Ramsey referred to it as "grocery porn."

    Now this is the same Patsy Ramsey who granted an interview to the tabloids when she and John needed to hurry and get the information out to the public that Burke really was awake

    John Ramsey was quoted as saying “ there are several pieces of DNA evidence which have never been tested. This is another thing the organization is looking to help is the adequate funding of DNA at the federal level to develop a data bank of convicted perpetrators of crimes against childrenâ€

    This would have been a golden opportunity to give a check from the JonBenet Foundation…oh, I forgot…neither of them have logged any hours there so no money from them toward the cause

    They spoke of humor…â€John Ramsey talked about how he was never afraid of his house getting robbed with all the media outside.â€

    Guess they should have had more press coverage in Atlanta where the intruder locked John in a bathroom…(with a door that opened in)

    I see lots in this article to be explained and discussed...
     
  2. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Moab this could be the longest thread in the history of the internet there is so much to be explained. However I am afraid we will be waiting longer than the time span of all of Lin Woods marriages combined before we get any real answers from the Ramseys.

    Notice how the Ramsey always talk the talk but never walk the walk, do the work or write the check?

    Example. The article qotes John as saying "The message we want to say is: 'You hurt one of our children, we're going to come after you with all the resources we can muster.' Evil does exist.â€

    Ok great message John so what have you done to get the message out? What have you EVER done to help with the "evil" that exists and hurts our children? What the HELL have you done???

    NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.

    JonBenet (Patsy to help you comprehend we are referring to "that child") has been dead over 5 years. 5 years.

    5 years.

    You have had 5 years to write letters, raise money, donate money, lobby, 5 years to do something....yet you still do nothing.

    Nothing.

    Except sue people. WHY??? In a feeble attempt to clear your name. However since Patsy killed JonBenet it's a bit disingenuous
    don't you think?

    Oh wait Patsy has been painting and remodeling. Good. Great. That should help keep these monsters off the street. Boy I feel so much better know the Do Nothing Ramseys are right on top of this problem.

    Moab in your post you wrote, Another issue was to keep the tabloid newspapers and magazines out of sight of children in stores. Patsy Ramsey referred to it as "grocery porn."

    How nice. Patsy is worried about keeping the tabloids out of sight of children. If Patsy hadn't killed JonBenet then Burke wouldn't have to worry about seeing the "grocery porn".

    To the 2 people and the 46 different personalities of the swamp thing I ask you this. You believe in the Ramsey's innocence. Fine. So how do you explain away that this powerful couple, this couple with money and influence, who had their daughter murdered in their own home and then for 5 years have promised to fund, start organizations, lobby for legislation, have done NOTHING. NOTHING.

    Don't use Patys cancer as an excuse. I am not talking about today. I am talking about years ago. Promises they made in their own gag inducing book.

    Yes there is evil in this world. Evil comes in all social classes, colors and religions. The definition of evil can vary as well.

    Evil is Patsy. A person who kills, throws her friends under the bus, ruins lives, lies, and then has the gall to make all these grandiose claims of the action she is going to take to protect children.

    Evil is John who saw his little girl being painted up like a Las Vegas show girl and did nothing. Who sat back and made the same promises as Patsy and did nothing. NOTHING. He did NOTHING after his daughter was found murdered in his own home.

    NOTHING.
     
  3. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Tacky with a capital T. At least OJ Simpson had enough class to shut the hell up and fade away. Why do I find JR so much more annoying than Patsy? I actually like Patsy--she's so over-the-top. But JR is just a snake.
     
  4. Camper

    Camper Banned

    The one part of the statement that bothers me, I had pasted then saw Tricia covered it, the part that really bothered me as follows:

    ===<><
    "The message we want to say is: 'You hurt one of our children, we're going to come after you with all the resources we can muster.' Evil does exist."

    ===<>< Sentence structure critique as follows:

    The use of 'YOU', hey thought it was a foreign faction, NOW its a 'YOU'.

    'ONE OF OUR' children, huh, this comes on the five year heels of 'HOLD YOUR BABIES CLOSE'. Why was there no concern for other children in the last five years?

    'COME AFTER YOU', after five years that would be just about ok, to just now 'COME AFTER YOU'?

    'RESOURCES WE CAN MUSTER', lets see, where can we get more resources, who can we sue? We already apparently used all our resources, saving our behinds, PLUS we apparently used up the reward money to 'CATCH' JonBenets killer, to save our behinds.

    Double Gag, both in making us ill, and in trying to fool the population.
     
  5. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Attention

    ahem.

    Here's what it is. The Ramseys have been so out of the limelight lately because of the van Dams and 911 events, and they are clawing and kicking to climb back into the public arena.

    Let's face it, the swamp witch and her idols would stick their bare arses out a 30-story high window and shake their booties every which way but loose to gain attention, so this latest attempt shouldn't surprise anyone.

    All the money the Ramseys have spent on lawyers to keep their dumb butts out of prison could very well have been spent on LEGITIMATE investigators (not investigators paid to keep the Ramseys out of prison as JR admitted to in his deposition). Just think of the posse they could have afforded to have at their disposal with all that money. They've been lying through the caps on their teeth all along, and this latest smoke and mirrors stunt is just another lie. They are soooooo obvious.
     
  6. Nandee

    Nandee FFJ Senior Member

    John's words...

    Took this quote from the Friends For JB website:

    The evildoers in our society should know that if you harm one of our children, we will respond with all the resources of the most powerful nation on earth.


    Wonder who wrote it??
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2002
  7. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    So interesting

    That Jameson is all morally outraged because the VanDams have not given money to the Laura Recovery group on hir timetable and hir dollar amount.

    How would hir explain then the sad state of the JBR foundation? The total lack of any assistance in any way to any group? Wouldn't a donation to the VanDam's search efforts been the perfect, most compassionate thing to do, seeing the obvious parallels in the two incidents?

    How do you explain these things, Jameson?
     
  8. Ayeka

    Ayeka Member

    Re: John's words...

    It sounds like it was ripped out of Bush's post 9-11 speech. Wonder when it was written?

    Ayeka
     
  9. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    Lol watching you -

    Over the picture you conjoured up in my mind.
    I think you stated things very well indeed.
     
  10. fly

    fly Member

    damned if they do, damned if they don't

    Help me out here, folks. Many of you flog the Ramseys for <i><b>not</b></i> doing anything regarding their pledge to work for children's issues, and now you flog them for doing something to forward that project? You accuse them of not spending as much time on the project as I spent googling info on the name issue, and now that they <b><i>are</b></i> spending time working for the cause, you accuse them of simply seeking the spotlight? How about a little bit of consistency and objectivity in your expectations and evaluations once in awhile?

    I can see it now: A Ramsey confesses, and some of you will be carping about it all being a way to keep themselves in the news.

    For that matter, Americus, GA's Kiwanis Club is exactly where I'd go to get myself back in the headlines. LOLOLOL
     
  11. Camper

    Camper Banned

    I would not call it flogging, I would call it being observant.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO = Look Out

    WNWNWNWNWNWNWNWNWNWNWN = Whats Next
     
  12. fly

    fly Member

    Camper

    So you see nothing unfair about complaining that they are not doing anything to reach their stated goals concerning crimes against children, and then complaining when they actually do something toward those goals? That's a pretty sad commentary, if that's true, IMO.
     
  13. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Well, not exactly, Fly

    I think a lot of the gripes have had to do with the foundations the Ramseys have already started that have amounted to nothing - so why do they start yet another organization, when they have done nothing with the others? Whatever happened to the Shoes program JR promised to start in DOI? From where I'm sitting, it is and has been all show and no go. Does it make sense to start another organization instead of putting their energies into the ones that are already there? I don't think so.

    Nah. The Ramseys have earned their reputations as fakes as far as I'm concerned. They had the means to really make a difference after their child was murdered - a time when it really would have impressed me. Instead they used their wealth to stonewall and micromanage (through their highly-paid lawyers) the investigation.

    It's too little too late, and it's all about the Ramseys, not children. Think what you may - the Ramseys did not have the credibility to make their first foundation work. They have even less now. Why do they even bother? What they do have is a seemingly endless supply of arrogance. Credibility is everything, Fly. Everything the Ramseys do, or don't do, is subject to question because of their past behavior. That's why, IMO.
     
  14. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    A very amusing article....

    I see that old Shirley Brady is still kicking up her heels:

    <b>Shirley Brady, a friend of the Ramseys and a resident of Americus, performed piano music for the members at the luncheon which had over 60 people, both members and guests. </b>
     
  15. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Fly...so far it is a pamphlet and a lot of lip service...I think anyone who has questions as to their dedication to this and all the other projects is a person who has seen their repeated attempts to get themselves in the public eye with no viable or tangible results.

    The tax forms posted somewhere on the JBR Foundation showed 0 (nada, zip zilch) hours spent working at the foundation, yet the foundation accepted money...that is fraud, plain and simple!

    How many children have been murdered since JBR? And of those children, how many times did you see the Ramseys in the news fighting for the rights of that child...oops there is Patsy's favorite phrase again..."that child"...she even used it in the article....sorry, I didn't mean to get sidetracked...if they want justice for murdered children, they need do more than attend a piano recital and pass out propaganda.

    They actually have some good mentors out there too...Marc Klass comes to mind immediately. If they didn't know how to start a foundation, they could have asked him.

    I haven't read that they were part of the search party for Danielle vanDam or Rachel Cooke, or the girls from Oregon, or Chandra Levy...I don't see them, or read about them contacting their state representatives to get laws in place or change the existing laws, I don't hear they support the Amber Program and are lobbying for it to be in place in every city in every state...all I hear is self-serving-keep-me-in-the-limelight-please stuff about the Ramseys...oh and of course the mysterious break-in attempts, and the lawsuits and Patsy's health (because so many people were calling the Woodpecker, don'tcha know...)

    So in a nutshell that is what they haven't done...let's list what they have done:

    At the risk of repeating myself...

    A pamphlet and a lot of lip service...
     
  16. fly

    fly Member

    stick to the issue

    Moab - Why is it so difficult to stick to the issue? The issue I raised was that it wasn't appropriate that people complained they'd done nothing, and then complained when they actually did something and accused them of their efforts being nothing more than seeking the limelight. The general quality of the project or whether the Ramseys are doing all that they might do was not the issue.

    I'm not saying the Ramseys should be praised wildly for talking to the Kiwanis Club. I'm not saying that the JBR Children's Foundation is something good. I'm saying the Ramseys shouldn't be criticized for giving a speech about the project and shouldn't have their motives assumed to be shabby.

    You say you haven't heard that they've contacted their representatives, etc. Do you know that they haven't? I seriously doubt that you have heard about everybody who has contacted you local representatives about something. Why do you think it would necessarily make an online paper if they HAD been privately lobbying folks? And if it did, or if they lobbied in a more public way, the forum's track record strongly suggests that once again it would be criticized as "seeking the limelight."

    What we do know is that they promoted the project to a civic group. That is small potatoes, sure, but it is something. Your response? To criticize and see it in the worst perspective.

    BTW - The tax forms were not for Friends of JonBenet, the organization that seems to be the origin of the Nehemiah Project. I agree that the track record for the foundations filing the tax forms is lousy, which is why I don't expect anything significant to come of this newest project. However, I still don't think it is right or fair to criticize folks for actually doing something in the right direction.

    Edited to add: You criticize them for not personally taking part in any of the searches. You and other forum members profess to be fighting for kids' issues, right? But with the exception of JR (God love her), who has helped in a LOCAL case, I don't think any of the forum members has gone out to help either - or even done any volunteer work on kids' issues in their own towns. Again, be honest about the likely reaction had the Ramseys flown out to San Diego, etc. and joined the search, as you imply they should have. If you are at all honest, you know it would almost certainly have been described as another case of "seeking the limelight."
     
  17. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    There are a lot of people

    who believe the Ramseys were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent staging and coverup of same.

    I don't think one needs to go much further than that in determining the why the Ramseys are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The time to do something constructive is long past. It might have meant something postive if they had put their money where their mouths were long ago.

    For those who believe either PR or JR killed his/her daughter (and the other one helped cover it up), it is the height of hypocrisy for them now to be talking about children's issues. I don't know who did the killing, but I do not believe there was any intruder in the house that night.

    The whole thing boils down to one's beliefs about the Ramseys' culpability in the murder. Child murderers and co-conspirators are lousy advocates for children's rights, you know. So, Fly, your point is really too ambiguous for a black and white answer. Nothing the Ramseys do at this point will be accepted by those who believe they have gotten away with the murder of their child.
     
  18. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    This is How you Make A Difference

    John Walsh transcript from LKL...

    This is how a difference is made in stopping predators…this is how a difference is made…by getting involved…it's the difference in doing something and lip service…it's the difference in being part of the solution as opposed to just trying to be in the limelight and getting credit for oneself…

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0204/04/lkl.00.html


    FLY...this is not my intended answer to your response...I posted this before I read your post, and I will respond to it...and thanks for discussing it!
     
  19. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Fly…it's too bad we were not able to have this discussion 5 years ago, for the actions then and since then, by the Ramseys have set the "frame-of-reference", and like WY said…it is no longer black and white issue, especially by those who think the Ramseys have some culpability in the death of their daughter.

    So to your point of being appropriate…congratulations to the Ramseys for taking action against child crimes…unfortunately it's too little too late to be believable regarding their motive for taking the action.

    To your point as to whether I "know" or not if they have contacted their local representatives regarding children's issues…no, not for a fact..but I do believe it is highly likely if they were making positive strides in this area, it would have hit the news…the Kawanis group hit the news, as did Patsy visiting her old Journalism school, going to her class reunion, going to the CHX festival, renovating all of their homes…law of averages says the public probably would have heard about it. And as far as the forum opinions and public opinion…perhaps that would have changed a long time ago, if they really were innocent, and actively striving to ensure they stood behind a solid cause. Yes, there are probably some who would still say it was hypocritical of them if they thought they were guilty, but it just as easily might sway others who previously thought of their guilt and decided if they were this active against a cause, perhaps they really were innocent and it was a bad rap by the BPD…the pendulum swings both directions. Actions speak louder than words, and when you wait 5 years to take action, it speaks volumes and taints the credibility of the action itself.

    I wasn't referring to the tax forms for Friends for JonBenet...I was referring to the tax forms for the JBR Foundation...the one promoted in DOI by the Ramseys...the one they spent 0 hours trying to get off the ground...the one that gave me my frame of reference for their charitible activity.

    Fly, you said…" What we do know is that they promoted the project to a civic group. That is small potatoes, sure, but it is something. Your response? To criticize and see it in the worst perspective". Once again, it is 5 years after the fact…and in my mind it is hard to commend someone for showing up to help after dinner is on the table!

    You went on to say…"But with the exception of JR (God love her), who has helped in a LOCAL case, I don't think any of the forum members has gone out to help either - or even done any volunteer work on kids' issues in their own towns." Ah Fly…to be independently wealthy and afforded the opportunity to fly all over and help with searches, etc…but I am not in that position. But have I shown up for local issues…you bet your bootie…do you remember the Gage Wayman story…little boy lost in the mountains? It was local…I showed up. Tricia and I were having lunch last week when an autistic 5-year-old wandered away from his home…we were both ready to search the following day…the boy was found…over 600 people showed up to help with that search. You are right…JR has involved herself heart and soul in the search for Rachel Cooke…and so have Rachel's parents…who are looking into starting a foundation now…not five years from now. And do I work with organizations locally? Yes, and I have adamantly for the last 2 years.

    And lastly…you said…"Again, be honest about the likely reaction had the Ramseys flown out to San Diego, etc. and joined the search, as you imply they should have. If you are at all honest, you know it would almost certainly have been described as another case of "seeking the limelight." OK, honestly, I have 2 answers because your question wasn't as definitive as it could have been…1) If the Ramseys had shown up at searches since 1996 for missing children…they would have to be commended; and 2) if they had "just" shown up in San Diego after never having searched for any other children…I would have to play the "limelight card"…that is just me personally…but it is honest!
     
  20. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Fly--come on. I'll be the first to admit that some of the criticism of the Ramseys is unfair and at times very mean-spirited, but on this issue I think you are waaaay off base. These two people did everything in their power to de-rail the investigation into their own daughter's death (the games played with the polygraph tests is a stellar example) so getting into some latest organization which is supposedly going to help exploited children seems more than a little hypocritical.

    I'm curious--how did you feel about OJ Simpson offering to lecture at battered women's shelters?
     
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