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    Thanks, Why Nut, I do watch The Soup, now that you mention it. It's just a hit and miss thing, like so much I watch on TV because they change schedules so much and there are so many channels and then they change the channels just when I have them memorized.... It's very hard on us autopsy patients!

    I'm so glad you found the link, Why Nut, as well as you having seen it too, tylin. I was afraid for a while that I'd be accused of imagining it on Geraldo.

    It really is horrifying how these parents have such a twisted view of what their children should be learning about their value in the world. I think Britney Spears is the most shocking example of a child exploited and marketed since childhood, under the excuse that SHE WANTED TO DO IT, of course. Britney is now a grown, ignorant, uneducated, not well-rounded, immature mother of two babies whose father she's dismissed like yesterday's undies...no longer needed. That Paris was the one trying to keep Britney's KNEES together while the photogs were snapping pics of places only Brit's GYN should have been seeing says it all.

    Oh well. She's RICH! AND FAMOUS! Make that infamous. That's all that matters, right?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Silly me. Did I say Britney is the worst example? Must have been my autopsy speaking....

    JONBENET is the WORST example. She was molested and murdered by the age of six. AND she was buried in HER CROWN. AND pageant dress. Nice.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase
    That Paris was the one trying to keep Britney's KNEES together while the photogs were snapping pics of places only Brit's GYN should have been seeing says it all.

    Oh well. She's RICH! AND FAMOUS! Make that infamous. That's all that matters, right?
    Oddly good point you make, there. The world got the opportunity to see, in those infamous photos of Britney, the same view that Beuf had of JonBenet, and in both cases any sensible person can see that there was no way to medically diagnose what was going on behind the loin skin the world could see. If Britney had been experiencing sexual abuse internally, even those extremely intimate pics demonstrate that nobody would be able to tell.

    And the argument that Patsy's parenting was obviously superior because, after all, she only let JonBenet do the pageants because JonBenet insisted, and when pageant participation was refused she complied, is no more something to be admired than if Patsy had let JonBenet eat nothing but sugar all day because JonBenet wanted to, or never went to school because JonBenet said she wanted to stay home.

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    I watched a tv programme a couple of nights ago called "Pushy Parents". It was about two young girls whose mothers were pushing for their daughters to have a singing career. One was 10 and the other was about 15/16. The 10 year old's mother had about 5 kids but she spent almost all of her time on the 10 year old's activities. The mother of the older girl was unbearable and wouldn't let the girl make any decisions for herself.

    In the programme, two voice coaches took the girls to prepare them for some major scholarship/opportunity auditions.

    What transpired was that the younger girl had oodles of talent and a significant inner drive and that although her mother was undoubtedly pushy, it was echoed by the girl.

    However, the older girl was completely dominated by her mother - didn't even know if she wanted to be a singer and was quite happy to spend time with her friends instead. The mother was a nightmare and kept gate-crashing rehearsals trying to interfere in the coach's methods and song choices.

    In the end, the older girl flunked the audition and the prestigious judges questioned her commitment to singing. Her mother even butted into this pleading that her daughter COULD do better etc etc and that SHE knew this was what her daughter wanted more than anything (even if the girl didn't realise it herself!)....
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    Thumbs down Beauth pageants revisted...

    There were all boys in my late husband’s uncle’s family. Their children, too, were all boys. Finally, a little girl was born. She had three older brothers and seven male cousins. They lived in the country, and the mother of this little girl (I’ll call “Joan,” was a good hearted lady, but not very well educated.)
    From the get-go, Joan started grooming her little girl for beauty pageants. She was a sweet child, but not at all pretty. From age two to age ten, Joan, along with her mother, sisters and friends, spent hours upon hours, making all sorts of fancy clothes for this child, and entered her in every beauty pageant, within a 200 mile radius of their home.
    Joan made it a point to continuously tell her little girl that she was special and beautiful. As the child grew she became less and less attractive, requiring more and more awful make-up. I don’t have adequate words to describe her hair. It was dark brown with streaks of blond placed indiscriminately hither and yond. The “ringlets,” I suppose, were meant to be reminiscent of Shirley Temple’s, but they looked more liked over- blown sausages, sticking out all over the place.
    The child became more and more ridiculous looking as time went by. I wanted, so badly, to shake her Mother and tell her to stop, but dared not do so. Joan and her “helpers” were absolutely convinced that this child would someday become a great screen beauty. They were oblivious to the absurdness of their “dream.”
    Only when the child became very overweight and developed severe acne, did all these ludicrous preparations come to a screeching halt. Joan sighed, shrugged her shoulders, and said that it was a tremendous learning experience for the child, and that if she had better connections with the pageant organizers, her child would have won more trophies.
    Now, I am not smart enough to make this up. Since I have learned so much about child beauty pageants, I have come to the conclusion that Joan is rather typical of the Mothers involved in this bizarre behavior.
    I cannot begin to guess how much damage this did to the child. Although fairly bright, she doesn’t seem to have much self confidence. She is now 22 years old. She finished high school and attended junior college for a year. Last year she became engaged to get married, but the groom cancelled out at the last moment.
    She still lives at home, in the tiny farming community where she was born. She does odd jobs around the farm and has given up her dream of studying law. She now thinks she might return to school next year and pursue courses in Veterinary medicine.
    What made the Ramsey’s so unusual is, despite their education and wealth, they were apparently of the same ilk as Joan. So sad.

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    Oh Greenleaf, this is a very sad tale, but your sense of humour breaks through and thankfully buffers the sadness. :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom
    Zoomama and Tylin,

    You're so right - attractive? Paris? Nicole? Ugh. Paris is homely as a mud fence, and Nicole is starving herself to death, plus she's a whore just like Paris. They are like 2 old whores out throwing themselves on unwilling victims.

    I guess I'd better start modeling my sons on Flava Flave, right? and Snoop Dogg...
    You are right. Paris is homely. I saw a picture of Nicole the other day and if they did not show her face, I would have said I was looking at an 80 year old woman. She is frightening.

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    Greenie,

    What a sad tale and thanks for sharing that story.

    As far as Paris and Nicole, neither one of them is a beauty. Heymom is right; they are really nothing more than talking, friendly vaginas

    The one thing I always think about when the RST makes excuses for Patsy and the other "pageant people" is the comparison they make to Little League, or soccer, or whatever.

    The difference is that if a child doesn't do well at Little League or soccer, or singing, dancing, etc. is that they know that they either don't like the sport or event as much as they thought or they learn their limitations APPROPRIATELY!

    When a child doesn't do well at pageants, they have failed in the areas of BEAUTY AND TALENT; NOTHING REALLY SPECIFIC, which can do quite a bit of damage to a young girl's self esteem, self worth, etc. It's not something they can gain experience in or "practice harder" because the judging is based on true subjectiveness.

    These moms should be ashamed of themselves

    And yes, this is quite different from child models in the Sears catalog or milk commercials!

    This can be devastating and permanent for a child, especially a girl!
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