PR Interview...Things that were "out of place".

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by AMES, May 13, 2007.

  1. AMES

    AMES Member

    This may have been posted before, but I wanted to highlight a bunch of things that Patsy said was either out of place, or she just flat out didn't know how it got there. I am a newbie from another board, and I posted these over there....so, I am sorry if this is a repeat for you guys. Heres the first one...

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    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). Binoculars, a
    3 stapler and... binoculars and a stapler
    4 (inaudible).
    5 TOM HANEY: Do those items appear to be out
    6 of place?
    7 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean, I don't know why the
    8 binoculars would be there
    .
    9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recognize the
    10 binoculars?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, they might kind of
    12 look like -- they look kind of like one John had
    13 on the sailboat which are night vision
    or
    14 something, they were kind of heavy duty, but I
    15 don't know for sure. I don't know why they
    16 would be in Colorado.
    17 He had all this stuff up in, the white
    18 stuff up in the -- he had like a storage room of
    19 sails and stuff like that. I don't know why
    20 they would be here if they are, if that's what
    21 those are.
    22 We had a pair of binoculars up on the
    23 dress -- the high boy up in John Andrew's room,
    24 more like in a leather case, like a leather
    25 binocular case.
     
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  2. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Kleenex Box...

    And in this portion of the interview, she is trying to distance herself from the kleenex box that was on the table with the pineapple and the tea. Sooo...an intruder brought in his own rope, tape and kleenexes. Yeah, right...Patsy. It seems that EVERYTHING was "out of place" in that house when JB was murdered.

    6 TRIP DeMUTH: What about that box of
    7 Kleenex that's on the table?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    9 TRIP DeMUTH: Is that supposed to be there?
    10 PATSY RAMSEY: Not really, no, I don't
    11 think so.
    12 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you know where that came
    13 from, where that's supposed to be?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I mean, I had Kleenex
    15 around, usually in the kitchen, with a box in
    16 the bathroom.
    17 TRIP DeMUTH: Was there a box of Kleenex in
    18 that dining room at all?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: I just -- not that I
    20 remember. It's unusual that Kleenex would be
    21 there.
    22 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Got a blue, green
    23 floral pattern on the box. Does that go to a
    24 particular room?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't, I don't
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    1 remember that box.
    2 TRIP DeMUTH: When you say you don't
    3 remember that box, what does that mean?
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean, I don't remember
    5 that particular box, that design of that box of
    6 Kleenex
    .
    7 TRIP DeMUTH: That could be your box of
    8 Kleenex, though, from somewhere in the house?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: It could be, but I don't
    10 remember. Usually I buy those little square
    11 boxes.
    12 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: Because they just fit places
    14 better.
     
  3. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Photos of JB

    What about the pictures of JB that were found in the laundry room? I guess that the "intruder" placed them there, because THEY were "out of place" too.

    10 TRIP DeMUTH: And do you remember
    11 photographs being -- photographs of JonBenet
    12 being in there?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the
    14 laundry room?
    15 TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs
    16 of her located in the laundry room?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, in the laundry
    18 room, oh. I don't know, there was a bunch of
    19 stuff, I mean wrapping stuff and everything. I
    20 don't remember any photographs.
    21 TRIP DeMUTH: Is there any reason
    22 why there would be photographs of JonBenet
    23 located in the laundry room?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: No. Were there --
    25 I mean, did somebody find them there?
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    1 TRIP DeMUTH: If there were, would
    2 that be out of place for you?
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: It would seem to be
    4 out of place.
    I kept wrapping materials and
    5 sometimes I worked, wrapping station, Christmas
    6 paper and --
    7 TRIP DeMUTH: Would -- who else had
    8 access to the laundry room, who else would go in
    9 there? I know everybody would have access, but
    10 who else would use it? Would the boys play in
    11 there? Would John go down there?
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean anybody
    13 could, but I mean the boys could come down and
    14 go in the train room, we had the train set up.
    15 In the far back in through there, you know. Not
    16 in the laundry, really, area.
    17 TRIP DeMUTH: Did anybody besides
    18 you use that laundry room?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometimes Linda
    20 would wash, if we were washing comforters or
    21 something, because those were big heavy-duty
    22 laundry machines, she'd take the things in
    23 there, rugs and things, and wash them down
    24 there.
    25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
     
  4. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Medicine Drawer

    And the bathroom drawers were left open. Guess the "intruder" somehow managed to get into the bathroom to Patsy's and John's bedroom, too.


    15 THOMAS HANEY: 32?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: That's the bathroom
    17 to my bedroom.
    18 THOMAS HANEY: Is that normally
    19 used by anybody?
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: Not on a day-to-day
    21 basis, not really. I don't know why the drawers
    22 would have been out, but...

    23 THOMAS HANEY: What's normally
    24 stored in those?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, that's usually
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    1 where I kept my supplies for my -- when I was
    2 taking chemo, when I had my shots and my little
    3 alcohol wipes, thermometers, and all that kind
    4 of stuff. And I could have been looking
    5 through, looking for a thermometer to take on
    6 vacation.
    7 TRIP DeMUTH: What's in the draw
    8 below that one? There are two drawers open?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, I
    10 don't know. I just hadn't used it, all that
    11 area, that much.

    12 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Number 33.
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: This is the shot of
    14 the bedroom, looking out through the door to her
    15 door.
    16 THOMAS HANEY: Anything unusual or
    17 out of place or --
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    19 THOMAS HANEY: 34?
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: I just can't imagine
    21 why I would leave those open if I had done --
    22 THOMAS HANEY: The drawers that you
    23 were talking about earlier?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

    25 VOICE: That's 34?
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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
    2 TRIP DeMUTH: Did you have syringes
    3 in there?
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: I would have at one
    5 time. Now, whether I had any in there now, I
    6 don't remember. Seems like I got rid of all
    7 that stuff. With kids around. I don't know. I
    8 just wasn't in there that much. I can't tell
    9 you.
     
  5. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    Hello Ames and welcome,

    I'd like to comment on this passage because it is interesting in how much of Patsy's memory isn't functioning when it is convienent for her to do so. Much like our Atty General who during the congressional hearings lately "Can't remember, doesn't recall and it never crossed his desk". It's a wonder he can remember to come to work in the morning. Same for Patsy. When it is convienet for her not to remember something she doesn't. During questioning when someone says they don't recall or don't remember that is the end of the thought. The questioner can't go any further. That statement stops them cold. But I see how she wiggles on and on with the thought...but no real content. Like John she is also a master manipulator!
     
  6. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Knife..

    This is really fun, finding all of these things that Patsy said was "out of place". Although, I have found ALOT more, its my bedtime, so I will post more of them tomorrow. In the meantime...heres, yet, another one.

    3 PATSY RAMSEY: There. There is a tiny
    4 yellowish color there. Can you see that?
    5 I'm not sure if that is one of my kitchen
    6 knives, to tell you the truth. That must be something.
    7 TOM HANEY: We would have that.
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: I could see that. In the
    9 picture it looks like it is a very thin blade, like a
    10 grapefruit knife or something.
    11 TOM HANEY: What about the handle?
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: I had some wooden handle
    13 knives, but I don't know why I would have it there in
    14 the kitchen, you know. I don't know why it is there.


    Gee Patsy, I don't know WHY that darn grapefruit knife would be in the KITCHEN?!?! Gosh, darn it....that's an "awfully weird" place to have a GRAPEFRUIT KNIFE....since most people cut up their grapefruit in the bathroom....
     
  7. AMES

    AMES Member

    JB's Ceiling Fan...

    14 THOMAS HANEY: Was there a ceiling
    15 fixture lamp in that room?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE.) I
    17 think there was a -- was there a (INAUDIBLE).
    18 THOMAS HANEY: I am sorry?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Was there a fan, was
    20 there a fan there? I think there was an
    21 (INAUDIBLE). I think there was.

    22 THOMAS HANEY: We might be able to
    23 see it later.
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember
    25 whether there was a light.
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    1 THOMAS HANEY: That wasn't a light?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember.

    And they lived in this house for HOW LONG? She can't remember if JB had a ceiling fan in her room, she THINKS that there was, but doesn't remember if it had lights on it, or not.
     
  8. AMES

    AMES Member

    Videotapes...

    9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you keep
    10 videotapes in that room?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: There was some
    12 videos in this cabinet here, mostly ones that
    13 were older, you know, that the kids used more
    14 when they were really young, with Barney and
    15 those kind of things. I don't know why those
    16 would be on the floor.

    And here we have videotapes out of place.
     
  9. AMES

    AMES Member

    Scrape Mark...

    9 TRIP DEMUTH: That is in photo 204 there is
    10 some scrape mark toward the bottom of the doorjamb.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Where the dog could have
    12 scratched.
    13 TRIP DEMUTH: 205.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: That is all chipped out.
    15 TOM HANEY: Is that unusual?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: It looks unusual to me. I
    17 didn't do it.

    More unusual and out of place things...
     
  10. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Suitcase...

    8 TOM HANEY: You are looking at 252 now, that
    9 is just a little closer photo above where -- was it
    10 248, and there is, you pointed out the suitcase.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    12 TOM HANEY: Can you tell us anything about
    13 that?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, that wasn't one of the
    15 suitcases that I normally use. We use the roller ones.
    16 I think that is one that John Andrew had brought over
    17 from his college stuff, you know, like unpacked and
    18 brought the suitcase over to our house, but I didn't
    19 think it was in there. I thought it was back in --
    20 back there toward the cellar room more, back in the
    21 (inaudible).

    22 TRIP DEMUTH: Let's pull out a diagram.
    23 TOM HANEY: We don't have a basement here.
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, somewhere back like kind
    25 of over in here, by the -- where the hot water heater
    0414
    1 area was is another little area. I thought it was more
    2 in here.
    Unless Linda moved it over here when she put
    3 the paint stuff there, I don't know. That looks out of
    4 place.

    Patsy, is there ANYTHING in your house that wasn't out of place after JB's murder??
    __________________
     
  11. AMES

    AMES Member

    Cotton...and here we have COTTON!

    ACR...I was going to stop to go and eat my dinner...but, I just couldn't resist adding this one, before I stop posting them....(I have more, and will be back after I eat, though...LOL).



    3 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. 400 we've looked at
    4 before, a different angle.
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Right. That is down in the
    6 basement. It is like cotton or something. 7 TRIP DEMUTH: Do you know what that is?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know why cotton would
    9 be there.

    10 TRIP DEMUTH: You don't recognize it?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    12 TRIP DEMUTH: It doesn't mean anything to
    13 you?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    15 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. Tom.
    16 TOM HANEY: Do you ever remember seeing it in
    17 there?
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: No.


    She is even distancing herself from cotton that was found in the basement.
     
  12. AMES

    AMES Member

    I believe that her housekeeper knew more about the house than she did. How could you NOT know if your ceiling fans have light fixtures or not? Patsy, it seems, was trying to distance herself from everything in that house. "That's out of place....I wouldn't have put THAT there....I don't know where that came from....etc."
     
  13. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Baseball bat....its "unusual"

    Is anybody keeping count??

    23 TOM HANEY: 410.
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like a baseball
    25 bat. What is that? It looks like --
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    1 TRIP DEMUTH: It is on the -- that photograph
    2 was taken on the north side of this up by the butler
    3 kitchen door. Was it the Givens that lived on that
    4 side of house?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, really. That is unusual.
    6 That is unusual.

    7 TRIP DEMUTH: Why is that?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: It is not unusual for the kids
    9 to leave their stuff laying around, but they wouldn't
    10 have had it over there. It would have been -- remember
    11 all of the toys laying under the swing set? It would
    12 be that area. So that is -- that is very unusual.

    She grasps at straws...anything to point the direction AWAY from her and John Ramsey (as SHE calls him). In the portion of the interview...she is trying to make it look like the "intruder" left that bat there.
     
  14. AMES

    AMES Member

    The cleaning fluid....its out of place too...

    16 TOM HANEY: And the next photo is marked
    17 120TET8.
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: Are we looking for anything
    19 special here?
    20 TOM HANEY: Do you see anything unusual in
    21 there?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I don't know what
    23 this -- that looks like cleaning fluid or Windex
    24 or something, I don't know what that would be
    25 doing sitting down there.


    And the CLEANING FLUID is also out of place! Hmmmmm Is anyone keeping a tally on this? We need to keep a list of things that were out of place...and number them. Just curious as to how many things we have found.
     
  15. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Spoon...

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Somebody else did this,
    6 because I would never put a spoon that big in a bowl
    7 like that,
    and I can't tell what that is, whether that
    8 is grits or apples or cereal or -- I can't tell what
    9 that is.

    Grits? Cereal? Looks like pineapple and cream to ME, Patsy. Those sure must be some LUMPY "grits". I have to say, too..that I don't know about Colorado...but I live in the Pacific Northwest, and we can't find grits ANYWHERE.
     
  16. AMES

    AMES Member

    The Pineapple Bowl...

    21 TOM HANEY: When is the last time that you
    22 know of that JonBenet ate pineapple?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.
    24 TOM HANEY: There were the remains of
    25 pineapple in JonBenet's system.
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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: I had heard that, yeah.
    2 TOM HANEY: This is not a shock to you?
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: No, it is not. No.
    4 TOM HANEY: Okay.
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: But I did not do this. If she
    6 ate that, somebody put that there. I don't know when
    7 she would have eaten it. She was sound asleep when we
    8 got home.
    9 TOM HANEY: And you said that earlier you
    10 cleaned the table off after the breakfast.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
    12 TOM HANEY: That wasn't there.
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: No, it wasn't.
     
  17. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Ames

    Please bring my favorite one over.....the Night Vision Binnoculars!
     
  18. Pearlsim

    Pearlsim FFJ Senior Member

    Based on the crime scene photos of the Ramsey pigsty, I don't know how Patsy would ever be able to determine what was out of place.
     
  19. AMES

    AMES Member

    LOL...that one is my favorite too. Its on the very first post of this thread. It HAD to be FIRST!!!!
     
  20. AMES

    AMES Member

    Night Vision Binoculars...

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    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). Binoculars, a
    3 stapler and... binoculars and a stapler
    4 (inaudible).
    5 TOM HANEY: Do those items appear to be out
    6 of place?
    7 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean, I don't know why the
    8 binoculars would be there.

    9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recognize the
    10 binoculars?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, they might kind of
    12 look like -- they look kind of like one John had
    13 on the sailboat which are night vision
    or
    14 something, they were kind of heavy duty, but I
    15 don't know for sure. I don't know why they
    16 would be in Colorado.

    17 He had all this stuff up in, the white
    18 stuff up in the -- he had like a storage room of
    19 sails and stuff like that. I don't know why
    20 they would be here if they are, if that's what
    21 those are.
    22 We had a pair of binoculars up on the
    23 dress -- the high boy up in John Andrew's room,
    24 more like in a leather case, like a leather
    25 binocular case.

    Here is is again....and notice that not only are the night vision binoculars out of place....they are also in the wrong STATE!!
     
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