Handwriting analysis

[Elle_1]

You betcha! I stocked the boat up on Sunday and weather permitting, we're going racing on Saturday :-)

Sounds like a lot of fun. Be careful, have fun and Good luck!

[Jayelles]

Sounds like a lot of fun. Be careful, have fun and Good luck!

It's been called off. True to form, the Scottish weather has let us down! Force 7 and heavy/persistent rain :-(

[koldkase]

It's been called off. True to form, the Scottish weather has let us down! Force 7 and heavy/persistent rain :-(

Oh, poor baby, how pitiful you are. I'll be thinking of you as the wind whips my hair and the sails billow under the blue sky. I'll toast you when the spray off the bow tickles my nose. I'll wave at the sea gulls for you. I'll pocket an extra doblòn for you....

[The Punisher]

Richard Dusak was cited as one of 4 high ranking secret service officials who were complicit in perjury during the Martha Stewart trial. If he had been of the opinion that Patsy wrote the note, would that have been sufficient to discredit him in the eyes of the RST?

Isn't that interesting..?

Recommended terminology - "evidence to suggest Joe Bloggs wrote...but falls far short... to reach a definite conclusion"

That sounds oddly familiar...

Mr. HUNTER: They don't exclude her, but it's very low. And, frankly, if we get this to trial, which I hope, I would prefer to give that note to the jury and give that jury historical writings that--that might pertain to a particular individual and have them using their common sense,

This might be a record! That's the SECOND time I agree with Alex! I must be feeling lightheaded...Nope! I double-checked!

[AMES]

From JR 1997 interview.


16 LOU SMIT: Okay. And I know, John, that it

17 really hurts to talk about this guy, but that's

18 probably all you've thought about since day one.

19 You must have a mental picture of the type of

20 person this is. I mean, in your mind. I know I

21 have a mental picture of various people that I

22 would look at. But I'm sure you think about this

23 all the time.

24 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, absolutely, everyday. You

25 know. Of course, my first instinct is, it was a

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1 man. Because of some of the similarities,

2 apparently in Patsy's handwriting, I wondered if

3 it was a woman.

Now what are the odds that some intruder would write a ransom note, and have a handwriting SIMILAR to Patsy's? Gee...how "ironic".

[tylin]

apparently!
Why do I find that statement so odd? lol

[Elle_1]

Oh, poor baby, how pitiful you are. I'll be thinking of you as the wind whips my hair and the sails billow under the blue sky. I'll toast you when the spray off the bow tickles my nose. I'll wave at the sea gulls for you. I'll pocket an extra doblòn for you....

Are you just joking, KK, or do you go sailing too? What a shame the rain prevented Jay from sailing.

[koldkase]

Bumped for discussion of handwriting analysis.

[PS Elle! I'm a pyrate! Of course I sail! Just not on water.... ]

[Elle_1]

You would have fitted in just fine in "The Pirates of Penzance" KK.

I must admit I like sailing too. I really enjoyed being in my son's boat on French River, Ontario this summer even with my swollen foot - idiot that I was missing a small step down in a restaurant, with my left foot buckling right under me.

No warning sign was present, and I was right behind my Gentleman Jim husband who usually warns me... "Mind your step!" I usually do it for him. However we are both oldie Seniors now and I have learned a lesson. I must look after myself and keep my eyes peeled to the ground wherever I go. I was walking too close to my husband's back and missed it.

Now what were you saying about John Ramsey?

[fr brown]

Steve Thomas says that Hunter confused the Five Daubert Reliability Factors with the standard nine-point scale and started calling it "the five-point scale."

That's sort of like walking into your refrigerator to take a shower. Kind of hard to explain a mistake like that.

In his depo, Smit says he got the info that Patsy scored a 4 or a 4.5 on the "five-point scale" from Hunter and unnamed others. My question is: Did the mistake originate with Hunter or did these others plant the mistake in Hunter's mind?

Ubowski rated Patsy as a 4 or a 4.5 on the standard nine-point scale.

The Five Daubert Reliability Factors:
http://federalevidence.com/blog/2008...bility-factors

[koldkase]

Brown, here is some info on how Hunter first heard of this non-existent scale. Yep, it was in the Ramseys' very own book. I knew it made me crazy when I read Hunter quoting the Ramseys lies! argh!

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ter#post147595

[koldkase]

Okay, brown, here is a copy of my second attempt to post the excerpt from Hunter's depo, leaked by none other than swamp queen jams. I copied it from those attempts at topix, because brown can't see it, but I can. Leading us to wonder if one--or both--of us is barking mad, as brown put it. What's the verdict, Guttah snipes?

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonb...V7GGNJ7FI31/p8

koldkase
Athens, GA
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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#151 14 min ago
fr brown says she can't see this, so I'm going to repost and hope I'm not hallucinating that I'm posting this or something....

koldkase
Athens, GA
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|Report Abuse |Judge it!|#127 22 hrs ago
Jams once put this on her forum. It's an excerpt that she claimed was "part" of Hunter's deposition in the Wolf case which was not sealed.
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Topic ID: 107
#0, Exerpts from Hunter's Deposition
Posted by jameson on Dec-28-02 at 11:38 AM
Former DA Alex Hunter was deposed on 11/27/01 -- it was relatedto the Wolf case. Here are some exerpts that should be public now -- let's discuss them -- and PLEASE -- DO carry these to the other forums -- they are the actual deposition questions and answers -- the TRUTH.
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#1, RE: Exerpts from Hunter's Deposition
Posted by jameson on Dec-28-02 at 11:42 AM
In response to message #0
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9 Wood: Chief Beckner confirmed yesterday that the
10 investigation had retained the services of Chet
11 Ubowski, obviously through CBI, Leonard Speckin,
12 Edwin Alford and Richard Dusak to at various times
13 perform handwriting analysis on the ransom note in
14 comparing it and analyzing other individuals'
15 writings. You were familiar with those four
16 individuals?
17 Hunter: Yes.
18 Wood: Are you familiar with their results as
19 they pertain to Patsy Ramsey?
20 Hunter: Yes.
21 Wood: Those four individuals are well respected,
22 are they not?
23 Hunter: Yes.
24 Wood: You also know Howard Ryle and Lloyd
25 Cunningham?
106
1 Hunter: Yes.
2 Wood: Within the community Howard Ryle and Lloyd
3 Cunningham are highly regarded and well respected,
4 aren't they?
5 Hunter: Yes.
6 Wood: You were given the benefit of Howard Ryle
7 and Lloyd Cunningham's opinions in this matter in a
8 presentation that was done for the investigation
9 through the Ramsey attorneys, correct?
10 Hunter: Yes.
11 Wood: I'm correct that there was not of the six
12 individuals any examiner that identified Patsy Ramsey
13 as the author of the note; am I right?
14 Hunter: That's right.
15 Wood: These were not people who came there to
16 identify her or not identify. These six individuals,
17 understanding two of them were employed by the
18 defense, I think you fairly agreed were trying to be
19 professional, thorough, and objective and reach the
20 right result under their standards of handwriting
21 analysis; am I right?
22 Hunter: Yes.
23 Wood: The sum total of the investigators and the
24 individuals I've been over that with were hired by
25 the Boulder Police Department along with Mr. Ubowski.
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1 With respect to Patsy Ramsey, you have -- it's been
2 described at one point again on a scale that we don't
3 necessarily, I don't know if it's an agreed-upon
4 scale, butfor purposes of trying to discuss the
5 reports, there was a description of a one-to-five
6 scale with five being elimination. And you have
7 publicly acknowledged that the sum total of the
8 handwriting analysis done by the investigation on
9 Patsy Ramsey that you would agree that she was
10 somewhere about a 4.5; is that right, on that scale?
11 Hunter: That's roughly right.
12 Wood: Not eliminated but very close to it, am I
13 right?
14 Hunter: Yeah, I can't remember, you know, I would
15 be more comfortable saying four on that scale. I
16 can't remember the 4.5.
17 Wood: And I think when you were asked about it,
18 you said that that was close, the bottom line being
19 that they placed the chances of her writing the note
20 as I believe you described it as very low --
21 Hunter: Right.
22 Wood:-- is that right?
23 Hunter: Yes, very low.
24 Wood: And without asking for names, there were
25 other individuals who were under suspicion whose
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1 handwriting was analyzed that were not eliminated as
2 the author of the note; am I right?
3 Hunter: That's correct.