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  1. #109

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    Thanks, Moab. Always a level head...especially for a pyrate!

    Heymom, I guess you feel how you feel, but I beg to differ about the parents not being victims. If that were true, why would the law allow family to give VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENTS during sentencing of predators?

    Guess some of us will just have to agree to disagree.

    One thing John Walsh said that applies to this case, I think: he said if a child predator wants your child, HE WILL GET IT, because he'll stalk the child and plan and lie in wait until that one moment when he can. Walsh said if a child predator is determined, there is nothing you can do, because you will not know until it is done.

    Someone wanted Maddie.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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  2. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    The below picture can be found at this link. (Crimeshots has an excellent collection of articles about this case.)
    http://crimeshots.com/forums/showthr...?t=6188&page=4


    Wow Tyliin, that link you gave has a tremendous archive of news articles on this case (and many other cases as well.) I spent the last hour scanning just about all of them. Very informative.

    Thanks for the link :-)

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  3. #111

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    You're welcome ACandyRose.
    That site is another good one to go to for great reference materials.

  4. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    You're welcome ACandyRose.
    That site is another good one to go to for great reference materials.
    I added that forum link to my front page also. There is a lot of stuff there. Thank YOU again. :-)

    But thinking about that blogspot link you posted with the hotel pics and the article about the woman who seen a child that looked like Madeleine in the Marrakech markets. That's a very scarey thought.

    When we were doing our home schooling we used the Globe Treker show videos for our world culture studies and we covered Morocco as well as a large portion of Africa. Both the Marrakech and Fez markets are very old world, very medieval and there are all kinds of underground passages throughout the city where anybody can get lost. The Arabs come from miles around to buy and sell at those markets.

    And Portagul and Spain is just North and right across the way by ferry from the port of Tangiers which is the port entrance into Morocco.

    Here's a map link to that area:
    http://www.pnm.my/mtcp/images/maps/Morocco-map.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase
    Thanks, Moab. Always a level head...especially for a pyrate!

    Heymom, I guess you feel how you feel, but I beg to differ about the parents not being victims. If that were true, why would the law allow family to give VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENTS during sentencing of predators?

    Guess some of us will just have to agree to disagree.

    One thing John Walsh said that applies to this case, I think: he said if a child predator wants your child, HE WILL GET IT, because he'll stalk the child and plan and lie in wait until that one moment when he can. Walsh said if a child predator is determined, there is nothing you can do, because you will not know until it is done.

    Someone wanted Maddie.
    KK, what I meant was the the parents are not *direct* victims in the way that a woman who was raped would be. They have been victimized, by having their child kidnapped by a predator, yes. But the true victim of the crime was Maddie. I am thinking of any other crime victim - say, a mugger attacks you and beats you up for your purse. You are the victim of the crime. Your child, who watched the event occur, was victimized but is not the victim.

    Maybe I am splitting hairs, but when you compared Maddie's parents to a rape victim I felt I had to clarify. The victim of a crime is the person it was perpetrated against. That's how I see it anyway. And it wouldn't be important except that I believe that her parents were negligent. Whatever the results, for me, that's an issue. I'm sorry for them, I pity them, and I pray that Maddie somehow is returned, but I believe they did make a terribly wrong decision that allowed a predator to have access not just to Maddie, but their twins as well.

    Oh the John Walsh comment, I was of the impression that child predators are more opportunistic and don't necessarily target one child and stalk him or her, but watch for a profile type and then pounce. That's interesting.
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    I just hope this poor little girl can be reunited with her family. This is so frightening. I can't wish anything horrible or painful enough upon the creature/s who preyed upon her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACandyRose
    I added that forum link to my front page also. There is a lot of stuff there. Thank YOU again. :-)

    But thinking about that blogspot link you posted with the hotel pics and the article about the woman who seen a child that looked like Madeleine in the Marrakech markets. That's a very scarey thought.

    When we were doing our home schooling we used the Globe Treker show videos for our world culture studies and we covered Morocco as well as a large portion of Africa. Both the Marrakech and Fez markets are very old world, very medieval and there are all kinds of underground passages throughout the city where anybody can get lost. The Arabs come from miles around to buy and sell at those markets.

    And Portagul and Spain is just North and right across the way by ferry from the port of Tangiers which is the port entrance into Morocco.

    Here's a map link to that area:
    http://www.pnm.my/mtcp/images/maps/Morocco-map.jpg

    ACR
    ACandyRose,
    You are welcome. (I often go there for information. It's an excellent site.)

    Thank you for the map! I'm ashamed to admit that I haven't looked at world maps in a long time :blushing: and the link to the map is good. I'm more afraid than ever that IF Maddy was taken to Morocco, she won't be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    ACandyRose,
    You are welcome. (I often go there for information. It's an excellent site.)

    Thank you for the map! I'm ashamed to admit that I haven't looked at world maps in a long time :blushing: and the link to the map is good. I'm more afraid than ever that IF Maddy was taken to Morocco, she won't be found.
    Don't feel bad about not looking at world maps for a long time. It was not something I normally do either but since we were studying world cultures, I became re-educated along with the students.

    And I had each student make up a very large scrapbook with maps and photos and stories they found about each country or island that we studied. Believe it or not we covered about 40 some countries throughout the school year. My printer was working overtime printing maps! And each student had to draw with red sharpies on each map the path the Globe Trekker took through each country as they watched the corresponding video. We went all over the world from South America, Europe, Middle East, various Islands, you name it. And in addition to the mapping they had to document about ten things per each country on a spread sheet that I created in Microsoft Excel.

    Each student ended up with a 4" binder chuck full of world history (one girl student started a second binder as her first one was so full) and world culture documentation. And what was rewarding as a teacher was when school was out for the summer, one of the students was watching television and the Globe Trekker program came on with a new show and they called me and told me they watched it because it was so interesting. I didn't have cable so I had reserved the Globe Trekker videos from the local library and I downloaded some from the Internet so originally we only had what was available from those sources.

    Here's a link to the Globe Trekker for Morocco:
    http://www.pilotguides.com/destinati...occo/index.php

    But back to Madeleine, yes it is not a happy thought at all that if she is in Morocco that she may never be found. :-( And what is just as sad also is that if that little girl who was spotted in the Marrakech market is not Madeleine then she could be yet another little girl who was grabbed and looking for her mommy. :-(

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    ACandyRose,
    I have a feeling you were/are an excellent teacher. 4 inch binders! That's a lot of maps and information. Your students won't forget what you taught them. My kids always remembered what they learned while being taught by 'good' teachers.

    Your latest link is so full of facts. The slightest chance that Maddy was seen in Morocco shouldn't be ignored. That made me think, do women and girls in Morocco wear a head dress? And if Maddy was taken to another country, surely someone would question her not speaking their language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    ACandyRose,
    I have a feeling you were/are an excellent teacher. 4 inch binders! That's a lot of maps and information. Your students won't forget what you taught them. My kids always remembered what they learned while being taught by 'good' teachers.

    Your latest link is so full of facts. The slightest chance that Maddy was seen in Morocco shouldn't be ignored. That made me think, do women and girls in Morocco wear a head dress? And if Maddy was taken to another country, surely someone would question her not speaking their language.
    From what I learned the "old tradition" is for females to wear the head dress they call a Hijabs. I don't really think language is as much a bearing as some would think for that part of the world especially considering the Marrakech market is really hugh and they deal with all kind of people around the world going there looking for the type of things they sell. A lot of their wares are very colorful and beautiful and they are there to barter and sell to the western world.

    From the videos we viewed the Fez Market is much more medieval of the Arab world than Marrakech but neither is a place I would want my small children wandering around without being strapped to my hip !! :-P

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    I took that ferry from Cadiz to Tangiers and then a tour all through Morocco.

    A blonde child would stand out like a sore thumb there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina
    I took that ferry from Cadiz to Tangiers and then a tour all through Morocco.

    A blonde child would stand out like a sore thumb there.

    LOL Sabrina, I think ANY fair skinned person would stand out in that area !

    But you know if this story has any legs, all they would have to do is tell this little girl that they are taking her to see her mommy and that her mommy wants her to wear one of those traditional arab scarfs or an outfit more fitting from that area and the little girl would do just as she was told just to see her mommy. She already has dark eyes so if they could cover her blonde hair they could move her to their destination as long as they can keep her calm and under the ruse that she's going to her mommy.

    The thing I worry about is that birthmark on her one eye will brand her for life as to who she is if somebody grabbed her for the purpose of selling her to some wealthy family then even as she gets older that birthmark will identify her if anybody would ever spot her that has read about this story or seen posters that get distributed around the world.

    So she's really a hot ticket unfortunately in more ways than one. :-(

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