"Starting Over" forum

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by JC, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    Don't the mods ever check that site? Some of the threads are as skanky as the ones that were on Lady Bug's forum a while back.
     
  2. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I don't think they are that vigilant, no. Those who started the forum seem to be busy elsewhere. Since it's not that active, guess no one is checking out stuff like bad links, if that's what you're referring to.
     
  3. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    It's the usual ~ drug and porn links posted.
     
  4. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Well, that's too bad. Maybe I'll post over at topix about it so someone can alert them. Is it on the JB case forum itself, or on another of the forums there, like documents or something?

    Or you can post at topix about it if you want. You don't have to register to post there. It's open. But sometimes your town comes up under your "hat". I haven't "joined" proper, but just post. Mine only comes up U.S. now, but just a warning if you're sensitive about that.

    http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey
     
  5. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    Under theories, I think, KK.
     
  6. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Okay, thanks, I'll post about it at topix. I appreciate your letting us know about these things, JC. I hate it when people do such lowlife things, using JonBenet's tragedy to use for profits based in sexually explicit bartering.

    Okay, I put a post about it on a PERV Karr thread at topix, a fairly short, new one, where I hope someone associated with that forum will see it. I didn't want to start a thread on it because, of course, that would be just what the PERV who put it at the SO forum wants.
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2007
  7. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    That's cool, but they will probably see it here, don't you think? FFJ has the best moderators. :gomods:
     
  8. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland


    ...or in a giant huff :)
     
  9. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    LOL - and anyone expected anything less from Mary Suma?!

    :uthere: :kmg:
     
  10. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I don't think Suma is around the forum much. She only drops in when BIG THINGS happen. BIG THINGS in her LITTLE MIND, anyhow.

    I put the info in a topix thread on PERV Karr, JC, recently started with only a few posts, so hopefully someone will see it. I didn't want to start a thread and advertise the sicko stuff, for obvious reasons.
     
  11. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    Oh for crying out loud - there's a picture on there now. Bleuch. I don't think I'll be looking there again.
     
  12. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    I hardly have any time to catch up around here, but these updates on Suma's Swamp bring a smile to my face!

    :wind:
     
  13. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Maybe someone who is supposed to be monitoring the forum will notice. Unless they like it that way. :puke:
     
  14. sboyd

    sboyd Member


    Very quickly. Who is Suma and where is her swamp?
     
  15. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Suma is a self proclaimed "Grass-Roots Internet Reporter." Mary Suma posts under many hats, but "mame" is her #1 identity. That is who brought us the Mystery Woman (Nancy Krebs) scam against the Whites which was so painful to witness. After being shown that she was not Top Dawg at jameson's Swamp and shown to the door due to her promoting Krebs claims that John Ramsey raped Krebs when she was a little girl.....the Starting Over forum was founded by Suma with a handful of jameson's left-overs.....which is why it is sooo special for me to witness yet another bomb from mame!!!

    Here's the link:

    http://www.bestfreeforums.com/forums/sanctuary2.html
     
  16. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    The same forum is co-owned by your good friend Miss Marple who hasn't been seen or heard off since he flounced off CL in an apparent huff (how did you manage to achieve that?).

    Having said that, I wouldn't wish any ill on him so I hope his unusual absence from the forums IS just due to a big huff and not anything more serious.
     
  17. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Mary Suma is a woman who interjected herself into the Ramsey murder case by promoting Nancy Krebs as "an honorable woman" and libeling Fleet White over Krebs' lies for many years now. Her primary online forum hat has always been "mame". She lived in Boulder at the time of the murder, though now she lives in Chicago or somewhere. She is one of the founding persons of the forum "Starting Over" at Best Free Forums.

    Mame had a group of "followers" who helped spam and destroy the great old forum Justice Watch, over the Krebs' lies, which mame promoted like some top secret, case breaking evidence proving the Whites were the killers. It was ALL LIES, and mame is either supremely stupid for not knowing that, as anyone who ever read the Krebs' LE transcripts can see the woman is just another case wingnut like PERV Karr, or mame knew and didn't care because she'd do/say/promote anything that got HER attention, not to mention, that whole gang was hoping for a book/movie deal.

    Sound familiar? Yeah, the list of lowlifes who have tried to make the news/money off of this case is long and undistinguished. Mame is just another. Her forum claim to fame is the bitterness and pain her gang of Krebbies caused many on the forums, but most significantly the White family, whom they continue to libel to this day, though Krebs' lies were proven as such years ago by LE. Mame and the Krebbies won't admit how wrong they were or let it go because then they'd have to accept that all the nasty things they did were not justified nor were they right to accuse the Whites of such awful things for years WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE BUT THE CRAZY STORIES OF A MENTALLY ILL, DISEASED WINGNUT.

    Even when they found out Nancy Krebs had named JOHN RAMSEY as the bag man for the CHILD SEX RING back in the early 70's, which wasn't possible as Ramsey was in the service and married by then, the Krebbies and mame refused to admit that either they had to dismiss ALL OF KREBS' LIES as such, including the accusations against the Whites, or name John Ramsey as a primary child sex ring member, a child rapist who filmed her rape, according to Nancy, and involved in the murder of JonBenet. No problem for the dumbazz Krebbies; they just claimed THAT PART of Krebs' story about Ramsey was just her being "confused", but the REST was TRUE!! And the FACT that Krebs was KNOWN BY LE AS A WINGNUT, for turning her relatives in as suspects IN VARIOUS HIGH PROFILE MURDER CASES IN THREE OR MORE STATES before and besides JonBenet's case, didn't deter the resourceful Krebbies. Krebs' "confusion" is a symptom of her abuse, doncha' know, and ONLY HER ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THE WHITES is NOT confused.... No biggie for mame and her gang of malicious gossips, even though NOTHING Krebs said could be corroborated against ANYONE in this case, or any other, for that matter, besides her initial statutory rape when she was a teen by a family friend.

    Krebs was in her late 30's at the time she made her claims against the Whites and John Ramsey several years after the murder. Krebs' grandparents were good friends with Fleet White's' FATHER back in California for many decades, and once Krebs realized that she actually had a REAL LINK to an infamous murder case, I'm sure she thought at long last she'd hit the jackpot. Because she had lucked out at last, WITH THE NOTORIETY of the JONBENET RAMSEY MURDER CASE A SURE BET, Krebs had "IMPORTANT PEOPLE" promoting her delusions for their OWN agendas: like DA Hunter--who hated White and sent a writer to "investigate the Whites" in California; Daily Camera news editor Barrie Hart--encouraged by Hunter to publish the story BEFORE LE got to even investigate Krebs' claims; author Stephen Singular, who published an early "case" book about child sex rings POSSIBLY linked to this case; and currently on-the-run, now ex-lawyer Lee Hill--who was looking for that book and movie deal to make him a player like his good friend, actor Steven Seagal. Sycophants like mame--brought on board to encourage Krebs with attention and "help", stories of movies and book deals--were too happy to spread the gossip through their Chinese whispers: we know something you don't; just wait, it's all going to happen soon; the Whites are involved, but we can't give you any evidence--YET; just wait, and don't ask too many questions, TRUST US. heh

    After weeks, then months, people DID ask questions. The more innuendoes that were dropped about the Whites, the more questions were asked. And the Krebbies GOT VERY ANGRY if they were questioned. Instead of just saying good questions, we can't answer, so maybe we should KEEP OUR BIG MOUTHS SHUT until we KNOW something BESIDES UNSUBSTANTIATED GOSSIP, they continually attacked the Whites 24/7/365 as child molesters and killers, and then attacked ANYONE who questioned the MISSING evidence, which NEVER EXISTED anyway.

    So Justice Watch imploded. That was sad, because Justice Watch was arguably the best JonBenet forum ever. In its time, a lot of what we now know wasn't public knowledge, and thousands of people read and posted daily on the case while it all unfolded. That's where people went to discuss it when anything came out, when the Ramseys were on TV, when case documentaries aired, when the various books came out, etc. Both sides managed to have disagreements and discussions on the same forum. The other "sister" forums open to the public back then were Websleuths and Cybersleuths. The swamp was paid membership, but had more posters, also. There were dozens of small and/or private forums, too. So much to talk about. A lot of forum mischief planned, as well.

    As Hal Haddon's recent lecture at a symposium for scum-sucking lawyers in North Carolina proves, the forums and Internet were a factor in this case. LE, lawyers, reporters, case "plants", and case insiders all read and/or posted on the JB forums. People confessed, or pointed the finger at people they knew. "There is going to be an arrest!" "Something is about to go down!" Most of the time, it was just gossip that was way off base or completely untrue. Occassionally we got a snippet of truth about the murder investigation, but usually that was from someone like Shadow, who had LE connections indirectly, or Spade, who posted a lot of case info here, but years ago it was in bits and pieces and anonymously, so we didn't know what to believe. Jams brought stuff out, but with so much Ramsey/Smit spin, you had to take everything she said with extreme caution and a lot of research.

    Each episode had its BS and its hope: Wolf v Ramsey went on for years; Ramsey v Deep Pockets Media went on for years; Ramsey v Thomas, etc. Depositions were leaked. LE interviews were SOLD. Always the sideshows. Never the trial.

    The Nancy Krebs scandal was and continues to be the worst of the worst, IMO, because of the list of professionals who should have known better and never were called to account for their libelous and irresponsible behavior, which harmed innocent private citizens. Though far from a professional in any capacity that I've seen, as a private citizen Mame gets a lot of credit for that, because without her, the Whites would not have had their reputations smeared with years of awful lies and accusations that will forever be on the Internet.

    It really was wild back then, though. The Wild, Wild Internet. You have no idea how many times you'd log onto the forums and get a shock to your system that was palpable, with all that went on then.

    Sorry, but I think I passed the "short" summary way back. What I'm trying to illustrate is that "mame" and jams and many others on the forums through the years had a hidden AGENDA: THEY HAD THE ATTENTION OF THOUSANDS. Money was being made willy nilly by the media, lawyers, "inside sources", publishers, movie and documentary producers, the Ramseys themselves, talking heads, blahblahblah. People made careers reporting on this case. O.J. whetted the appetite, and the Ramsey case satiated it. For many years, we all waited for the announcement of an arrest.

    So this is the atmosphere that mame tried to use to promote HERSELF, a la jams-style. Mame called herself a "grass roots reporter". Mame did work at a public radio, local yocal station in Colorado at some point, a catch-all employee from what I saw. Mame's dad was a legit reporter in his day, apparently, and that impressed her, even though it didn't inform her. So along comes the Internet and the JonBenet murder right in mame's own neck of the woods. How exciting! At Justice Watch, mame acted all "in the know". Then along came Krebs. Mame knew Lee Hill, the now ex-lawyer who represented Krebs in Colorado, or someone else in that group who linked mame to Krebs, and mame fell right into the hysteria that surrounded the mentally disturbed world of Nancy. Mame believed Krebs, I think, and was not going to use the brain mame didn't have to question how solid Krebs' stories were and how much damage the Krebbie cult was doing with their vicious gossip and lies, not only to the Whites, but to the actual murder case.

    Up to that point, mame had a lot of clout on the forums, and she knew it. So when she started the gossip, some people believed her. Rabidly. Unfortunately, a little ignorance goes a long way. So mame still libels Fleet White every chance she gets when she's online, which isn't that often these days. But she has left a legacy of hate and lies carried on by a few diehards, like Henri and Ashley and so forth.

    And that's why RiverRat will always hiss and spit at mame, because Rat and some others still around went many rounds with the Krebbie loonies.

    In fact, this very forum is the result of mame and the Krebbies taking down Justice Watch. So something good came out of it, after all.

    But JonBenet's murderer got away with it, and the Whites are still libeled with terrible lies to this day because of Nancy Krebs, mame, and the Krebbies.

    And if you got this far, please excuse typos, as I don't have time to edit now, will later. Ciao!
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2007
  18. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    What a masterpiece post KK!

    Although it would fall on deaf ears, but certainly still worth posting, I would love to see this posted at Topix where the Henri suckups, oohing and ahhing at his long-winded, say nothing posts get a chance to know the truth.

    Maybe even one person will see the light; if it's possible over there
     
  19. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    BAM!

    I may have to make this post my new signature! Thank you, KoldKase. I do tend to hiss still to this day, but what she and others did was wrong on many, many levels and the way she is sooooo arrogant regarding her slaughter of the truth will keep her Number One on my people I wish I had never heard of list regardless of how hard Candy tries to take her crown!
     
  20. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Well............did anyone repost it or not? I can sneak it into my schedule this morning if need BEE!
     
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