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    Quote Originally Posted by Why_Nut View Post
    Still, what is up with these multiple visits to the Pontiac area? How odd. Two days in a row he arrives at about 4:30 in the afternoon, and leaves about 10:30 at night. Shall we take bets as to whether we see another visit on Tuesday?
    Dating someone there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Why_Nut View Post
    I found out how that can happen. If a pilot is flying using visual flight rules, he is not required to file a flight plan, since he is essentially using his plane as one might use a car, navigating via ground landmarks. If using instrument flight rules, however, he has to make his plane trackable, since he is essentially reserving a specific flight path based on a specific time of takeoff and landing. A site like flightaware.com tracks IFR flights only, using signals the plane sends out along its IFR path. So John most likely flew using IFR to Sault Ste Marie for whatever reason he deemed fit, and just literally winged it using VFR back to Charlevoix, or more accurately Boyne City Muni since that seems to have become his preferred home base rather than his old preference of Charlevoix or Traverse City.
    Thanks for the explanation, Why_Nut.

    Still, what is up with these multiple visits to the Pontiac area? How odd. Two days in a row he arrives at about 4:30 in the afternoon, and leaves about 10:30 at night. Shall we take bets as to whether we see another visit on Tuesday?
    As for John's trips to Pontiac ... he did it again. He flew BACK to Charlevoix from Pontiac at the same time as the previous night. John left Pontiac Monday night at 10:24 p.m. and arrived just before midnight in Charlevoix, just like he did on Sunday.

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    http://flightaware.com/live/flight_e...t?ident=N2059W

    Flight Activity History (N2059W)

    Date / Type / Origin / Destination / Departure / Arrival / Duration

    05-May-2008 BE35/G Oakland County Intl (KPTK) Boyne City Muni (N98) 10:24PM EDT 11:37PM EDT

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    Here's something I've never understood. John's private plane is registered to the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP, INC in Wilmington, Delaware.

    http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2059W

    Aircraft Registration (N2059W)

    Aircraft Summary

    1965 BEECH V35
    Fixed wing single engine
    (6 seats / 1 engine)

    Owner

    BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC
    WILMINGTON, DE
    (Corporation)


    1. Why Wilimington, Delaware? Is it a tax haven for private planes? Why not register the corporation in Georgia or Colorado or Michigan - in one of the places John has lived for the past 30 years?

    2. What exactly IS the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC? What does it do? Is it a fake umbrella corporation that John Ramsey uses to siphon off money from the "family trust" that was originally the JBR Foundation?

    3. Does John Ramsey pay himself from the "family trust" for services rendered as the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC?

    4. Below is a composite of two screen captures from minutes of a Charlevoix City Council meeting found in a PDF file at the following URL.

    http://www.cityofcharlevoix.org/council/060506.pdf

    There is an approved expenditure from the City of Charlevoix to the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC listed in accounts payable on June 2, 2006 for $65.60.

    For what service or item did the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC charge the City of Charlevoix $65.60?

    My guess is that it had something to do with the Charlevoix Venetian Festival that occurred from July 18 - July 22, 2006. Obviously, the Ramseys couldn't just donate $65.60 worth of goods or services to Charlevoix. They had to be paid that amount in a timely manner; unlike the way they stiffed their own attorneys who had to sue for payment of thousands of dollars.

    Other than flying around in a plane and use up tankfuls of expensive fuel, the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC doesn't seem to do much else.
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    Moab brought up a good question about why did John said he was expecting email from the airlines when he flies his own plane all over the US.

    Below is the latest flight logs for John since the ones posted previously on this thread that ended with May 5, 2008.

    Apparently, John hasn't heard about the oil crunch and still has plenty of money to pay for jet fuel. He's flying all over and even made another trip down to Kingsport, but for some reason, he couldn't manage to fly a few more miles to Georgia to pay respects at Patsy's grave (for the 2nd anniversary of her death), or check on Burke.

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    http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2059W/history

    Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration

    25-Jun-2008 B35/G Tri-Cities Rgnl Tn/Va (KTRI) Boyne City Muni (N98) 04:52PM EDT 08:16PM EDT 3:24

    25-Jun-2008 BE35/T (KSVM) Boone Inc (NC14) 04:21PM GMT result unknown (?) n/a

    22-Jun-2008 BE35/T Grand Haven Memorial Airpark (3GM) Boyne City Muni (N98) 03:45PM EDT 04:32PM EDT 0:47

    22-Jun-2008 BE35/G Boyne City Muni (N98) General Mitchell Intl (KMKE) 02:00PM EDT 02:16PM CDT 1:16

    19-Jun-2008 BE35/G General Mitchell Intl (KMKE) Boyne City Muni (N98) 05:12PM CDT 07:25PM EDT 1:13

    19-Jun-2008 BE36/G Boyne City Muni (N98) General Mitchell Intl (KMKE) 10:07AM EDT 09:57AM CDT
    Last edited by Cherokee; July 2, 2008, 10:50 am at Wed Jul 2 10:50:23 UTC 2008. Reason: add URL link

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    Does he fly to see his girlfriend, Beth Twitty? Are they still an "item"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    Does he fly to see his girlfriend, Beth Twitty? Are they still an "item"?
    Not anymore. He was flying around to see her (and her relatives) all over the south including Arkansas, but I'm afraid it looks like they've broken up. Beth must have seen his lizard tongue one too many times and called it quits.
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    Do you know it's definitely him flying the plane? Maybe he leases his plane to others?

    There was an horrific plane crash here last year - small private plane. All three passengers were killed. Both the pilot and co-pilot were way over the alcohol limit and neither of them was qualified to fly with instruments. They had taken off into bad weather and couldn't deal with poor visibility. Turns out that the plane had shared ownership and the other owner didn't even know that it had been taken out!

    There was something about what Why_Nut posted above in this news story too - re there being different classes of pilot-ship - i.e. whether they need to file a flight plan or whether they can fly with instruments. I hadn't known this before. We learn something new every day!
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    Here is the registration information for John's plane. It looks like he is the sole owner.

    http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2059W

    Aircraft Registration (N2059W)
    Aircraft Summary
    Summary Owner Airworthiness Serial Number
    1965 BEECH V35
    Fixed wing single engine
    (6 seats / 1 engine) BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC
    WILMINGTON, DE
    (Corporation) Standard/Utility D-7993
    Aircraft Details
    Engine Weight Speed Mode S Code
    CONT MOTOR IO 520 SERIES
    Horsepower: 285 (Reciprocating) Less than 12,500lbs 150mph 50324076
    Registration Details

    Status Certificate Issue Date Airworthiness Date Last Action Date
    Assigned 2004-06-17 1965-11-02 2008-01-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    Here is the registration information for John's plane. It looks like he is the sole owner.

    http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2059W

    Aircraft Registration (N2059W)
    Aircraft Summary
    Summary Owner Airworthiness Serial Number
    1965 BEECH V35
    Fixed wing single engine
    (6 seats / 1 engine) BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC
    WILMINGTON, DE
    (Corporation) Standard/Utility D-7993
    Aircraft Details
    Engine Weight Speed Mode S Code
    CONT MOTOR IO 520 SERIES
    Horsepower: 285 (Reciprocating) Less than 12,500lbs 150mph 50324076
    Registration Details

    Status Certificate Issue Date Airworthiness Date Last Action Date
    Assigned 2004-06-17 1965-11-02 2008-01-10

    It's a bit worrying to see a plane described as "fixed wing". I'd jolly well hope the wings were fixed on any plane I flew in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    It's a bit worrying to see a plane described as "fixed wing". I'd jolly well hope the wings were fixed on any plane I flew in!
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    Well, let's see. What has John been up to lately besides getting nasty viruses on his computer (even though he was supposed to be such a hot-shot computer exec) and a gushing love letter from Mary Lacy.

    Hmmm. It looks like he's made a couple of trips to Purdue from Charlevoix since the last time we tracked his plane. That's curious. Burke transferred from Purdue to Georgia State last year, and Purdue wouldn't be session anyway unless Burke is taking summer school. Is Burke re-enrolling in Purdue after a year at Georgia State?

    Whatever the case, John stayed only one hour at Purdue on July 24th, and only 15 minutes on July 27th! 15 minutes on land for a four-hour flight? Did John forget something the first trip and think he had to go back and hand deliver it? Whatever happened to using the US mail? Oh, I forgot. When you have money and your own private plane (and you don't seem to care about the environment and that there's a gas crunch going on) you just jet around whenever you feel like it BECAUSE YOU CAN.

    By the way, it sure looks like John's romance with Beth Twitty is kaput. No more flights to HER hometown or out to Arkansas to meet her family. Maybe she realized John's face lift and eye tuck couldn't hide that incessant lizard tongue.

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    http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2059W/history

    Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration

    27-Jul-2008 BE35/G Purdue University (KLAF) Charlevoix Muni (KCVX) 08:09PM EDT 10:07PM EDT 1:58

    27-Jul-2008 BE35/G Charlevoix Muni (KCVX) Purdue University (KLAF) 06:02PM EDT 07:54PM EDT 1:52

    24-Jul-2008 BE35/G Purdue University (KLAF) Charlevoix Muni (KCVX) 04:33PM EDT 06:28PM EDT 1:55

    24-Jul-2008 BE35/G Boyne City Muni (N98) Purdue University (KLAF) 01:36PM EDT 03:26PM EDT 1:50

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    Lucinda Franks stated in her recent feature article about John Ramsey that he "has shed his plane." That is not true.

    As of today, 10/14/08, John Ramsey still owns his plane, and it is still registered to the BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP.


    http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2059W

    Aircraft Summary

    Summary

    1965 BEECH V35
    Fixed wing single engine
    (6 seats / 1 engine)

    Owner

    BENNETT RAMSEY GROUP INC
    WILMINGTON, DE (Corporation)


    Airworthiness

    Standard/Utility

    Serial Number

    D-7993

    Aircraft Details

    Engine

    CONT MOTOR IO 520 SERIES
    Horsepower: 285 (Reciprocating)

    Weight

    Less than 12,500lbs

    Speed

    150mph

    Mode S Code

    50324076

    Registration Details

    Status

    Assigned

    Certificate Issue Date

    2004-06-17

    Airworthiness Date

    1965-11-02

    Last Action Date

    2008-01-10


    John's recent trips include one each to Green Bay, WI, Little Rock, AR, and Yakima, WA via Montana and North Dakota. In fact, he spent a week and a half in Yakima, and only returned yesterday (10/13/08).

    http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2059W/history

    Date Type Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration

    13-Oct-2008 BE35/G Roosevelt Rgnl (KDIK) Boyne City Muni (N98) 02:29PM MDT 08:34PM EDT 4:05 (Dickinson, ND)
    13-Oct-2008 BE35/A Yakima Air Terminal (KYKM) Frank Wiley Field (KMLS) 07:24AM PDT result unknown (?) n/a (Miles City, MT)
    02-Oct-2008 BE35/G Helena Rgnl (KHLN) Yakima Air Terminal (KYKM) 04:41PM MDT result unknown (?) n/a (Yakima, WA)
    02-Oct-2008 BE35/G Helena Rgnl (KHLN) Yakima Air Terminal (KYKM) 04:23PM MDT result unknown (?) n/a
    02-Oct-2008 BE35/G Hamry Field (K74) Helena Rgnl (KHLN)12:06PM CDT 03:07PM MDT 4:01 (Helena, MT)
    02-Oct-2008 BE35/G Boyne City Muni (N98) Hamry Field (K74) 07:56AM EDT 10:40AM CDT 3:44 (Kindred, ND)
    10-Sep-2008 BE35/G Adams Field (KLIT) Boyne City Muni (N98) 02:51PM CDT 08:02PM EDT 4:11
    06-Sep-2008 BE35/G Boyne City Muni (N98) Adams Field (KLIT) 10:50AM EDT 01:52PM CDT 4:02 (Little Rock, AR)
    05-Sep-2008 BE36/A Austin Straubel Intl (KGRB) Boyne City Muni (N98) 03:00PM CDT 04:54PM EDT 0:54
    05-Sep-2008 BE35/G Boyne City Muni (N98) Austin Straubel Intl (KGRB) 08:46AM EDT 08:49AM CDT 1:03 (Green Bay, WI)



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