TeamRamsey naming ST as the killer!

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by RiverRat, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID79/285.html

    "Before Boulder Thomas was appreciated, acknowledged and rewarded (Award of Excellence, Distinguished Service, a medal for saving lives, 100 commendations) and in an environment with ‘standards’ consistent with his own. In Boulder the standards and environment were dissonant, his efforts and dedication were not appreciated and even when he did the right thing he was chastised, disciplined and not given the credit he was due. in Boulder he was just another unsupported and underappreciated employee.
    Thomas used the murder of Jonbenet as a platform to deliver his message - Boulder is morally decrepit and incapable of dealing with crisis or even recognizing it’s own decadence. He used the murder to draw lines, form sides – grazers and meat eaters, working class and wealthy, powerless and privileged, etc (I always think elois and morlock but that’s another story) and he placed himself firmly and sort of set himself up as spokesperson – hey, I’m just a working stiff trying to do an honest job combating the forces of evil, being thwarted at every step by the moneyed and the connected.

    Thomas used the murder to assume the role of Avenging Angel, to do battle against corrupt and crippled authority and cultural threats to traditional social values. Thomas used the murder to promote himself and his ideals and to attack the principles and position of those different than his own, to contrast himself against them and raise himself above them (by bringing them down).

    Thomas had a lot to say but pretty much all that was noticed was his stupid theory; but, this guy had issues and he had an agenda and he used the murder as a vehicle for expression. He used the murder in an attempt to elevate his status, to cultivate an audience, to garner local (and national and beyond) recognition and to write a book; to solve one of the greatest crimes of the twentieth century, to attack his ‘enemies’ and sacrifice his career (himself) in the process; to prove himself ‘better’ than them.

    Thomas presented his theory with Supreme Confidence. This confidence despite the fact that, as revealed in his deposition, he had no real personal knowledge about the investigation, he relied on rumor, speculation, heresy and innuendo to build his case. This confidence despite the fact that he was not privy to case info, forensic reports, current status, etc.

    Thomas presented his theory with the confidence of one who knows that no realistic confessor or accomplice would ever present themselves, no new evidence or witness would ever emerge, nothing could ever happen to prove him wrong.

    Thomas, in his resignation letter wrote that he is, ‘from a small southern town where this would never have been tolerated, where respect for law and order and traditions were instilled in {him}.’
    Ostensibly, the ‘this’ that Thomas refers to is Boulder’s failure to bring charges against the Ramseys, but what he is really talking about is the escort girls, the drugs, the hippie lifestyle, the disrespect for authority, the grazers, the way punishment is meted out and offences tolerated. He is talking about immorality and decadence.

    The Thomas theory is secondary to the Thomas agenda. But, without the theory no one would notice or pay any attention to what he had to say, without the theory (solving the crime) there is no Recognition, no Accolades, no Redemption."
    :curses:
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2008
  2. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Satan has her say.....

    Mame
    Member since 1-20-08
    02-06-08, 05:30 PM (EST)

    5. "RE: Part 4"
    In response to message #4

    LAST EDITED ON 02-06-08 AT 05:30 PM (EST)

    Wonderful post! Well done.

    I fully agree. While I have never ruled McSanta out as a POSSIBLE person involved in the sad saga. I do not believe he was the killer. Sure, there are lots of coincidences...but, this case is filled with them. I honestly believe he was just a typical weird eccentric Boulderite...well he lived in Nederland which makes him even more strange. They're known as Ned Heads!

    You make a great points comparing him to Thomas. Don't forget how chummy Steve the Detective was with White too."
     
  3. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Just when you think that they can't not sink any lower than what they already have, THIS kind of crap is what flows out of them. They officially make me sick.
     
  4. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    This is nothing new, and mild compared to the out and out naming of Thomas as killer in the past at the swamp. They don't really believe it, they just hate him that much.

    RR, I hate to bring this up, but could you edit and put the text of your first post in a quote box? I actually had to reread to make sure you were quoting the whole thing and not commenting on it.
     
  5. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Since it's Anti-K who is going to all this trouble to smear Thomas, I think we should look at who Anti-K is:


    http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=56&forum=DCForumID79#29

    So...Anti-K...a person "involved in" pornography, from using to making it, according to him...hardly has room to criticize Steve Thomas. Anti-K can't carry Thomas' jock strap.

    I also want to point out that in spite of asking knowledgeable posters, I have yet to find any credible source or proof that McReynolds was into gay pornography. So far, it's just RST gossip. If someone has a legit source on this and would share, thanks in advance.
     
  6. Little

    Little Member

    When Jameson allows this on her forum it officially dots all the i's and crosses all the t's that there's no standard for legitimacy at webbsleuths. That is trash and should be labeled as such. How can she even remotely expect to be taken seriously? It's like "pull a perp out of your a**, no need to use your brain.

    It's a shame that someone who, at one time, IMO, actually might have been able to put some of the pieces together blew that opportunity.

    It would be good for her to remember that you are judged by the company you keep.

    Little
     
  7. heymom

    heymom Member

    Of course, there is no reason to think, or any evidence to suggest, that Thomas had ever met any of the Ramseys. So, how could he have known about them? the same way as anyone else, through chance, contingency, circumstance – he may have been consciously looking for suitable victims and just happened to see them walking down the street together… who knows?

    There is no reason to think, or any evidence to suggest, that Thomas had ever met any of the Ramseys. But DON'T LET THAT GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR PEA-BRAINED THEORY!!! YOU TOTAL IDIOT!!

    :wtf: :stupid1: :burnedup:

    :bsflag: :my: :404: :bos: :moron: :6web:
     
  8. Elle

    Elle Member

    They make me feel sick at heart too, RR. This is a very serious matter. Can Steve Thomas sue them for this slander? I hope so!
     
  9. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    First of all, let me say HI to all here on FFJ. Many of you know me from Websleuths as DeeDee249. Read my profile for more info on me. (I'm SO boring).
    I've been studying this case for a few years; though it doesn't get any less confounding.
    As someone who has actually exchanged e-mails with ST, I am disgusted by the latest garbage to come out of the RST. He was one of the most honest and principled investigators to work on this case. I have read his book (among many others - except DOI, I don't read fiction) and while I agree with most of what he believes happened that night, I feel he was one of the few on the case who truly wanted justice for a murdered little girl.
    I am wondering if he is aware of this vitriol and whether the RST can be stopped from spewing it.
    Yes, they probably do not really believe it; it's just revenge. The way JR pointed his finger at FW, to get back at him.
     
  10. heymom

    heymom Member

    Please save this page, someone. I think you could make a good case for slander from this - of course, it reads like the ravings of an insane person, so perhaps it would just be laughed at.
     
  11. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    The Anti-K is a freaking p*$$y with this CYA:

    "See, this is what happens when I get bored:
    I’ve sometimes said that I could make a better case for Thomas as Suspect then could be made for McReynolds. Recent discussion has made me think that I could also say that there is a better case to be made for Thomas then there is for Karr.

    Now, I’m not saying that Thomas is or could be the killer. I’m saying that, as far as compiling a list of reasonable suspects goes, there is a case to be made for including him.

    Thomas rates higher than people like McReynolds and Karr because McReynolds and Karr have failed to match forensically and because Thomas has sufficient motivation, character traits and the skills, experience and position to meet that motivation and to commit the crime. Thomas, as suspect, is most definitely ‘under the radar’

    Of course, if one insists that the killer was a pedophile or sexually motivated, then, Thomas wouldn’t fit the suspect role that well. But, if one wants to admit to the possibility that the killer may have been other than a pedophile and was otherwise motivated, then, the door begins to swing open…

    …
    I’ve arbitrarily split up my little reverie into four parts, but, only because of it’s length. Each part will be posted separately (below) in the hope that it will make it easier to read.

    Enjoy. And remember, it’s only speculation, folks!"

    :censored:

    If at anytime, if a post like this is made using Lou Smit as the culprit and that post is allowed to remain - I promise that I will find the cord to this forum and pull it.

    I feel great knowing that day will never come. What better time again to say how wonderful it is to be surrounded by the FFJ members?! I adore you all.
     
  12. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Welcome to FFJ, DeeDee! :wave: We're glad you're here.
     
  13. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Perfect timing......even though it's about time she got here!
     
  14. heymom

    heymom Member

    Hello Dee Dee! Glad to meet ya!

    Does anyone know why I can't read anyone's profile? The message says I don't have sufficient privileges to read that page. I have never been able to read a profile. Wah! Have I been a bad girl? It wasn't me, it was my evil twin, I tell you!

    :bigstick:
     
  15. Zotto

    Zotto FFJ Senior Member

    Welcome DeeDee...nice to have some fresh blood around the place....
     
  16. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member


    Thanks! I am happy to be here!
     
  17. AMES

    AMES Member


    LOL..yeah, I KNOW!!! Took her long enough, didn't it???
     
  18. rashomon

    rashomon Member

    Hi DeeDee, I couldn't wait for you to come over here!! Great to see you on FFJ!

    :grouphug: :yay:
     
  19. rashomon

    rashomon Member

     
  20. rashomon

    rashomon Member

    You hit the nail on the head, Little!
    A while ago, a die-hard IDI on a JBR forum tried to "build a case" against John Eller as the perp - it seems anyone is "good for it" in the RST's eyes - anyone but the Ramseys, despite the incriminating evidence aganst them. The amount of denial present in those Ramsey defenders is baffling and offers an interesting psychological study in itself.
     
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