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    Cool Fantastic job, Woman!

    And how many books did they sell?!
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee
    Thanks I've seen that but I think I meant the part about what he has to report monetarily to the public. Where is that report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    And how many books did they sell?!
    Thanks for asking. First, let's look at some background information taken from the www.supportramseytruth.com website:

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=4&gl=us

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    JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation TRUTHS

    - The JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation was incorporated March 31, 1997

    - Where are the $15,000 PER year pledges from John and Patsy Ramsey?

    - Where are the Grants?

    - Where is the SHOES organization?

    - Where is the legislation to protect children against predators?

    - Where is the legislation to advocate child murders to a federal offense?

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    JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation ~ The Mysteries ~ Facts and Fiction

    http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenet-foundations.htm

    The web site link above contains 130 documented historical archived references, including links to download files on the "JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation Articles or Incorporation," "JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation ByLaws," "JonBenet Children's Application for Recognition of Exemption forms," "1997/1998/1999 and 2000 Federal Income Tax forms. In addition, the web site contains excerpts from documented testimony from both John and Patsy Ramsey in legal depositions/interviews, Quotes from John and Patsy Ramsey's book, "Death of Innocence," Newspaper article references, Quotes by and about John and Patsy Ramsey from public interviews.

    DOCUMENTED FACTS:

    There are "130 documented references on this web page above" directly relating in one way or another to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation. The foundation was set up as the source of funding for the $100,000 reward being offered. In the Ramsey's book, "Death of Innocence," HB page 164/165 where the Ramsey are explaining the purpose of the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Founation, they are quoted as, "Patsy and I guaranteed a reward of one hundred thousand dollars."

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    INCOME SOURCES THAT WERE SUPPOSE TO GO TO THE FOUNDATION

    Included sources of monies pledged and possible donated contributions from friends and family, corporations and the general public. John and Patsy Ramsey pledged $15,000 PER YEAR for 1997, 1998 and 1999. There are no contributions of this scale from any source in any one of the three tax years listed.

    The Ramseys friend/attorney Mike Bynum pledged profits from the resale of the Boulder house, Ramsey friend Linda McLean pledged all profits from the sale of her book when it was released August 21, 1998, Ramseys pledge profits from their hard back book released March 18, 2000 after legal expenses and ALL of the profits from their soft back (January 2001 edition) book. Ramseys book had a first printing of 300,000 copies.

    John Ramsey even said in August 2000 that one of his original plans was to sue the tabloids and donate the money to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation. Although the Ramsey said there were no plans for fundraising, a Ramsey press release was issued in February 1997 giving a bank address in Colorado where public fund contributions could be sent. In March 26, 2000 an Internet poster who made a donation to the Foundation in Janaury received an e-mail from "PtsyR@aol.com" and signed by John Ramsey. That e-mail provided a new foundation address for donations as P.O. Box 724505, Atlanta, GA 31139.


    COMMITTMENTS PROMISED THROUGH THE FOUNDATION:

    Included the $100,000 reward, plans to offer a grant program, plans for an outreach program called SHOES that would advocate legislation, SHOES would offer resources and rewards, SHOES would use tools to track pedophiles, SHOES would put reward funds in place, SHOES would advocate child murders to a federal offense. John Ramsey said in an online ABC Chat "In Their Own Words" on March 20, 2000 that he wants the Foundation to protect children against predators, through legislation and that he wants child murders to be a federal offense. Where are the grant programs? Where is the SHOES organization?

    Early documentation shows that the Ramsey family web site at www.ramseyfamily.com displayed press releases as well as ads and flyers the Ramseys sent out in search for their daughter's killer in the spring and fall of 1997. Later the web site was used to advertise the $100,000 reward. In December 26, 2001, Ramsey attorney, Lin Wood is quoted in the media as saying that the Ramsey family no longer has the reward money. By November 25, 2002, the Ramsey family, via their attorney Lin Wood stated they will no longer communicate with one Susan Bennett whose web site URL is listed in the Ramseys books and was on their Ramsey family web site as the main source for the garotte illustrations. By 2003 the Ramsey family web site no longer existed and the domain at www.ramseyfamily.com expired April 19, 2004.

    Patsy Ramsey said in August 2000 during the Atlanta interviews that she had never even seen the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation books or financial records. The Foundation was opened on March 31, 1997 and Patsy Ramsey is listed as the President of the Foundation.

    The "Bylaws of the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation stated, "the Board of Directors shall annually prepare a report, verified by the President and Treasurer or by a majority of the Directors, to be prescribed at the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, showing in appropiate detail the following: (a) the assets and liabilities, including the donated funds, of the Corporation as of the end of the fiscal year."

    The Board of Directors consisted of John Ramsey and Patsy Ramsey.

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    Now, let's see how many of the 300,000 Death of Innocence hardcover books published on March 10, 2000 had their profits donated to the JBR Foundation.

    Oh dear, this doesn't look good. I can't believe it. The JBR Foundation was terminated in 2000!

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    JBR Foundation Records:

    2000

    Foundation terminated per IRS

    Per 990 PF dtd 08/29/01:

    Contributions received: $1,405
    Donor: Unknown
    Charitable contributions made: $0
    Recipient of charitable contribution: None

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    How could any of DOI's profits be donated to the Foundation if it closed that same year?


    And what about the paperback version of Death of Innocence? It states that: AUTHORS' PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF THIS BOOK WILL GO TO THE JONBENET RAMSEY CHILDREN'S FOUNDATION."

    The paperback version of Death of Innocence was published on January 1, 2001.


    How can the proceeds from a paperback published in 2001 go to a Foundation that closed in 2000?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1
    I saw Patsy's quick reaction on TV talking about a certain amount had been donated to some charity, with the check being written after the show. Something like that (?). What a farce this foundation was.
    A farce, indeed. More like a flat lie.

    It was TWO WEEKS after the show when a reporter checked with the day-care camp and found out there had been no check forthcoming from the Ramseys or any foundation. Of course, we know the JBR Foundation was defunct by then, but Patsy didn't know we knew. She was playing to the audience after Tricia's call-in question. It was a quick attempt by Patsy at CYA. When the reporter called the Ramseys to say the day-care hadn't received any funds from them, Patsy quickly wrote out a $1000 personal check and hurried it down to the day-care. She had been hoping no one would follow up on her lie about the donation from a foundation that didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen
    Thanks I've seen that but I think I meant the part about what he has to report monetarily to the public. Where is that report?
    I'm not sure if I know what web site you're asking for, but there is a lot of information regarding the JBR Foundation on ACandyRose's site at the following:

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=3&gl=us


    Here are some excerpts from ACR's excellent timeline regarding the JBR Foundation and Death of Innocence.

    03-10-2000 Ramsey book has a first printing of 300,000 (RMN)

    03-18-2000 JonBenet Children's Foundation (DOI HC Pg 164-165)
    03-18-2000 SHOES Foundation Outreach program (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will advocate legislation (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will offer resources and rewards (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will use tools to track pedophiles (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will put reward funds in place (DOI HC Pg 390)
    03-18-2000 SHOES will advocate child murders/federal offense (DOIpg390)

    03-18-2000 Bookstores report sales brisk (www.tennessean.com)

    03-28-2000 LKL - John Ramsey re: Profits to legal then foundation

    05-31-2000 LKL - John Ramsey says book money going to charity

    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Foundation no fund raising plan
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Denies providing address for fund raising
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Offended on questions re: Foundation
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Original plan was to sue tabloids
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Never solicited public funds
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 J.R. re: Wrote DOI because they needed the $$
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 P.R. re: Never seen foundation books
    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 P.R. re: Never seen foundation financial

    08-29-2000 Atlanta 2000 P.R. re: Never did any fund raising

    00-00-2000 Foundation Tax form: Revenue $1,405, Contributions $.00

    01-00-2001 DOI PB edition profits to JBR Foundation ONLY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen
    Thanks I've seen that but I think I meant the part about what he has to report monetarily to the public. Where is that report?
    If ACR's website doesn't answer your question, Why_Nut gathered quite a bit of information regarding the defunct JBR Foundation. He posted some of the info here in the past. You could probably find it using the forum search engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee
    A farce, indeed. More like a flat lie.

    It was TWO WEEKS after the show when a reporter checked with the day-care camp and found out there had been no check forthcoming from the Ramseys or any foundation.
    And here is the Gaylord Herald-Times story that broke that little bit of trickery open.

    http://www.gaylordheraldtimes.com/ar...cal_news03.txt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why_Nut
    And here is the Gaylord Herald-Times story that broke that little bit of trickery open.

    http://www.gaylordheraldtimes.com/ar...cal_news03.txt
    Tuesday, June 1, 2004 8:27 AM EDT

    CHARLEVOIX COUNTY - An appearance on CNN's "Larry King Live" television show helped launch John Ramsey's campaign for the 105th state House of Representatives seat, giving him instant name recognition throughout the district.

    But a statement made on the show by his wife, Patsy, has triggered an outcry from those who question the existence of a foundation established in the name of their daughter, JonBenet, who was murdered Dec. 26, 1996. The murder has not been solved.

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    A caller to the show questioned the Ramseys about a foundation they established in the name of JonBenet Ramsey. Referring to statements made in the book written by John and Patsy Ramsey called "The Death of Innocence," the caller said the foundation mentioned in the book was closed and "virtually did nothing."

    Patsy asserted the foundation does exist and is still making contributions in JonBenet's name.

    "This week, we did present $1,000 worth of scholarships to Mount McSauba Day Camp here in Charlevoix, where JonBenet and Burke both attended day camp," Patsy told Larry King and millions of viewers.

    It may be a question of semantics, but the fact is that the Ramseys didn't make a donation to the Camp McSauba scholarship program until Thursday, May 27. Camp McSauba Director Ike Boss said he received a check for $1,000 from the JonBenet Ramsey Children's' Foundation that evening.

    "Patsy made a commitment to Ike (Boss) two or three weeks before going on the show," John Ramsey said. "It's unbelievable how people would attack something like this, when we're just trying to help."

    Camp McSauba Director Ike Boss verified Patsy's statement, saying she did make a commitment to donate to the camp after learning that children from low-income families need financial aid in order to attend camp. The camp has a long tradition of giving scholarships, funded by community donations, to needy children in the area.

    "I'm doing it today," Patsy said Thursday of her promise to make a donation to the camp fund, when questioned by the Herald Times.

    Both John and Patsy said the JonBenet Ramsey Foundation is still in existence.

    "It's been more of a family trust," Patsy explained. "It's not very active. There's some money in it, but not thousands and thousands of dollars."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Utah resident Tricia Griffith, owner of Forums for Justice.org, later acknowledged she was the caller to the Larry King Live show who questioned the Ramseys about the existence of the JonBenet Ramsey Foundation.

    "Officially, the nonprofit JonBenet Foundation is closed, according to the IRS," Griffith said. "But if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to correct it on my Web site."

    Griffith said her Web site, forumsforjustice.org, gets one million hits per month, and the hits have been increasing - especially hits from Michigan - since Ramsey declared his candidacy.

    Griffith, like many Americans, grew interested in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case a few weeks after the tragic death of the young beauty queen occurred in December, 1996. She acquired the discussion Web site forumsforjustice.org, that deals with crime victims, in 2002. On Thursday, she launched another Web site, supportramseytruth.com.

    "There's no tip line, no family Web site, so it's being left up to strangers to keep up with information about JonBenet," Griffith said.

    "I would have thought that the Ramseys, being computer savvy, would have a Web site for JonBenet," she added.
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Cool Thanks Cherokee and Why Nut,

    for this great review. So much time has past and I've forgotten so much. However I'd like to add that I wrote to the journalist Laurie Loundsbury to thank her for her fine article (I think it was a letter to the editor. I'm not sure right now) and I received a very nice thank you from the paper's editor. I also think I posted his reply here on FFJ at that time. I don't know when it was nor have I saved it.


    Also I remember that LKL show so well. When I heard Tricia's voice asking that question and watching Patsy's face almost fall off and John sputtering it was worth it's weight in gold. I seldom watch LKL but of course watched it that night because of the Ramseys being on the show. I think I do miss Patsy and her theatrics. John just isn't very interesting all by himself is he?

    I sure do hope John makes another run for some public office so we can railroad his campaign once again! Yipee!

    P.S. I just went back to check my own record and it doesn't go back to the 2004 responses (only to 10/05).

    Again Cherokee I'd like to thank you for all of that hard work you do for us here on FFJ. Also the comparisons on the first page of this thread showing Patsys signature on her painting and the RN are good. Even though it's hard to see the painting sig clearly I can surely see the top loop of Patsy's "P" on the painting and the top loop of the "R" on the RN look very close to being the same. You do good work, Lady! Thank you again.
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    And how many books did they sell?!
    The answer is ... I guess it doesn't matter because it looks like not one thin dime from book sales made it into the JBR Foundation coffers.

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    The answer is ... I guess it doesn't matter because it looks like not one thin dime from book sales made it into the JBR Foundation coffers.
    Imagine that.........
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."



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