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    Quote Originally Posted by Why_Nut View Post
    I just posted on the KUSA comments section something to that effect. The underwear touched the longjohns. Touch DNA analysis is sensitive enough at this time to pick up a transference between those two items. But if the Boulder investigation is going to be all DNA-gung-ho about the case now, then show me that the same DNA is on the ligature, paintbrush handle, tape, rope in John Andrew's room, the white blanket, JonBenet's shirt, the flashlight, the baseball bat, the broken glass pane, the spoon, and the bowl, and maybe we have something to chew on.
    Exactly and all this means is Lacy gets the glory for what is what I want to know she did not clear anyone

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    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06


    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06


    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06


    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06


    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06


    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06


    "The [Ramsey case] DNA could be an artifact. It isn’t necessarily the killer’s." - Boulder DA Mary Lacy, 8/28/06
    LOL - you know she HAS to hate us that remember!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tril View Post
    This is HOGWASH!

    Regardless, it appears to be the end of it.

    The Ramseys - may they rot in hell - pulled it off.
    Hey Tril - perfect time for you to show off your signature......

    A q is a q - not a freaking 8!
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    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008...nbenets-death/

    New evidence discovered in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case exonerates the Ramsey family or anyone in law enforcement DNA databases, the Boulder District Attorney’s Office announced in a letter released today.

    The letter, sent from Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy to John Ramsey today, offers an apology to the Ramsey family.

    "Significant new evidence has recently been discovered through the application of relatively new methods of DNA analysis," Lacy writes. "This new scientific evidence convinces us that it is appropriate, given the circumstances of this case, to state that we do not consider your immediate family, including you, your wife, Patsy, and your son, Burke, to be under any suspicion in the commission of this crime.

    "I wish we could have done so before Mrs. Ramsey died."

    John Ramsey today told Denver's 9News that his daughter's homicide became an "entertainment event" that boosted ratings and attracted viewers.

    "Sadly there's 2,000 children murdered in our country every year," he said. "For some reason, our's became a very public event."

    When reached by phone today, Donald Paugh, the late Patsy Ramsey’s father, said the exoneration was “nothing new to me."

    “I never thought there was anything to accuse (John) of in the first place,” Paugh said. "But they haven't found the real person yet."

    Paugh said the Boulder County District Attorney’s Office hasn’t tried to contact his family about the new DNA information, but, he said, “I’m sure that (John) feels better that they’ve come to their senses."

    “But their mucking around and apologizing to him doesn’t solve the mystery,” Paugh said.

    In the letter, Lacy states that last summer the DA’s office began using a new DNA technology called "touch DNA," which can sample items for genetic material that no other technology can.

    The DA’s office sent a sample from the long johns that JonBenet wore and that "were probably handled by the perpetrator during the course of this crime," to the Bode Technology Group for testing.

    The results indicated a genetic match on the long johns with a sample already obtained from the child’s underwear.

    "Unexplained DNA on the victim of a crime is powerful evidence," Lacy wrote. "The match ... makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items. Despite substantial efforts over the years to identify the source of this DNA, there is no innocent explanation for its incriminating presence at three sites on these two different items of clothing that JonBenet was wearing at the time of her murder."

    Lacy wrote that the genetic profile authorities now have is "the profile of the perpetrator of this murder."

    She goes on to offer an apology to John Ramsey and his family.

    "To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in this crime, I am deeply sorry," Lacy wrote. "No innocent person should have to endure such an extensive trial in the court of public opinion, especially when public officials have not had sufficient evidence to initiate a trial in a court of law."

    "I have the greatest respect for the way you and your family have handled this adversity," Lacy wrote.

    Lacy continues to say that the Boulder DA’s office will treat the Ramsey family in the future "as the victims of this crime, with the sympathy due you because of the horrific loss you suffered. Otherwise, we will continue to refrain from publicly discussing the evidence in this case."

    "We hope that we will one day obtain a DNA match from the CODIS data bank that will lead to further evidence and to the solution of this crime," Lacy wrote.

    She concluded that if investigators, one day, are successful in finding a match, "Only then will we begin to understand the psychopathy or motivation for this brutal and senseless crime."

    This afternoon, Lacy issued a statement further discussing the 1996 homicide.

    "It is very unlikely that there would be an innocent explanation for DNA found at three different locations on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of her murder," Lacy said in the news release.

    "The Boulder District Attorney’s Office does not consider any member of the Ramsey family, including John, Patsy, or Burke Ramsey, as suspects in this case. We make this announcement now because we have recently obtained this new scientific evidence that adds significantly to the exculpatory value of the previous scientific evidence. We do so with full appreciation for the other evidence in this case."

    She said the local, national and international publicity the case generated has caused many people to conclude that the Ramseys themselves might be responsible for the crime.

    "The suspicions about the Ramseys in this case created an ongoing living hell for the Ramsey family and their friends, which added to their suffering from the unexplained and devastating loss of JonBenet," Lacy said. "We believe that justice dictates that the Ramseys be treated only as victims of this very serious crime. We will accord them all the rights guaranteed to the victims of violent crimes under the law in Colorado and all the respect and sympathy due from one human being to another ...

    "To the extent that this office has added to the distress suffered by the Ramsey family at any time or to any degree, I offer my deepest apology."

    Lacy concludes her statement by saying she will not comment further on the case.

    Lacy said that any tips related to the investigation be submitted in writing or via e-mail to BoulderDA.org, or called into the DA’s tip line at 303-441-1636.


    The Boulder police continued to say that the Ramseys were under "an umbrella of suspicion" in the case.

    Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner is "considering what position he is going to take with this new information," spokeswoman Sarah Huntley said. He may issue a statement later today or on Thursday."
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    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    I anxiously await Beckner's statement.
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    This "new" touch DNA should not and cannot clear anyone for the same reasons the original, incomplete, DNA couldn't. Lacy has once again acted inappropriately in announcing her opinion that the DNA clears the Rams.

    The original DNA could not be dated, and the new findings don't change that fact. Chances are, if Lacy's giving us all the facts, which I very much doubt, both sources of the DNA were probably deposited at the same time. However, there is absolutely no way of knowing when that was. "Touch" DNA means just that - more sophisticated method of collecting DNA from somewhere a person (or animal or plant) has touched, leaving a single cell or a couple of cells. That's why I want to know the specifics - how many alleles were in the touch DNA, and what was the criteria used to determine a match?

    How many years has the RST been telling us the fingernail DNA matched the panty DNA? They lied. There was no way they could call 2 alleles + one iffy allele in the fingernail DNA a match to the incomplete panty DNA.

    Lacy has proven to be untrustworthy. Why should anyone trust her word on this? But, even if she is telling the truth, so bloody what? It doesn't prove one damn thing, and she is wrong exonerating ANYONE on DNA that is itself unreliable.

    Lizard lips has already been on MSNBC. I guess he doesn't know that the opinion of an incompetent district attorney is not the same as exoneration by a jury. It's not over by a long shot.
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    Get your barf bags ready if you want to ready Mary Lacy's syncophantic letter to John Ramsey. I could hardly read it for all the BS and sickening kiss-up.

    http://www.9news.com/pdfs/ramseyDA.pdf

    In the letter, Mary Lacy does everything but beg to have John Ramsey's baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    I anxiously await Beckner's statement.
    I am with ya.......please Mark - it's up to you now.......
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    Riddle me this, people:

    Lacy says that sensitive "touch" DNA analysis was used on the longjohns.

    Um, wait.

    Patsy Ramsey stated for the record several times that she put the longjohns on DNA the night of December 25th.

    The longjohns were analyzed in the spots which were assumed to be where a person would have put their hands in order to put on and remove the longjohns.

    So, ummmmmm, the embarrassing question to Lacy should be:

    Why did the lab NOT find Patsy's "touch" DNA all over the longjohns?

    (Do let me guess -- they did but Lacy decided to dismiss its presence because she could provide an innocent explanation for the presence, therefore the concept that Patsy might be guilty and the DNA is evidence of guilt is not on the table because THAT WOULD JUST BE MEAN.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Lacy - "We make this announcement now because we have recently obtained this new scientific evidence that adds significantly to the exculpatory value of the previous scientific evidence. We do so with full appreciation for the other evidence in this case."

    This is an astounding admission of total incompetence - Boulder LE and the DA's office missed this "new scientific evidence" for over 11 years????????????????? I swear Boulder must have the most incompetent or corrupt government in this country!!
    Shadow, "touch" DNA is a fairly new method of collecting very minute amounts of DNA. It is exactly what it sounds like - a person touches something and leaves behind a skin cell or two or three or four... The touch method is an advancement in DNA collection that wasn't possible 12 years ago.

    Having said that, isn't it just so much of a coincidence that Lacy decided to test the sides of the waist of the long johns, and lo and behold, there's a cell or two or three or four on BOTH SIDES. Lacy must be psychic.

    Lacy's "clearing" of the Ramseys wouldn't stand up to a defense attorney's questions in court. She has effectively acted as judge and jury. What an as$.
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