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    Easy, CK. It's all right. Wow.

    Jayelles, shoot.
    I will find a way to remain strong and calm. Thanks

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    Default Just Me

    Some posters (self included) remembered that a few months ago, there was a similar attack on me at Topix by a poster called JustMe. I suspected that Athena (outwardly respectable moderator at 320 - everyone's friend and previously without a stain on her character) was responsible for these posts. I gathered the evidence and posted it and many posters agreed with me that the "evidence" was overwhelming.

    1) Both JustMe and Athena posted from Jericho, NY
    2) After she was accused, Athena immediately started posting from "Anonymous Proxy" and did so for a couple of days (long enough to change server) before posting from Hyde Park, NY (or something like that). She claimed she didn't want to reveal her location on Topix (lol) although that had never bothered her previously.
    3) Both JustMe and Athena posted "alot" instead of "a lot" - something Athena changed after she was accused - although she has made the odd slip.
    4) Both Athena and JustMe mispelled Britney as Brittney
    5) Athena and JustMe made virtually identical posts about Britney Spears. These posts included identical phrases such as "what she could do for them" and "line their pockets"
    6) Both Athena and JustMe spelled no-one as noone
    7) There were a bunch of other very similar posts which both Athena and JustMe made which I found and saved - the similarities very striking.

    When I pointed out these coincidences, Athena had a meltdown and called me all sorts of vulgar names at Crimelibrary - suggestions were made that someone was impersonating her. I asked why she was angry with me - if she wasn't guilty of this nasty little game, why wasn't she angry with the person who was "impersonating" her? If someone impersonated me to attack someone I harboured no resentment towards, I was certain I'd be angry at the troll - not the victim!

    I reported her to Results (the other Mod at Sycamore) because it bothered me that someone who was a MODERATOR at a forum which I belonged to and who had access to my IP and email addy would behave in such a creepy way.

    I also pointed out to Results that there was a hat JustMe at Sycamore that I felt this might be a phoney hat. Results promised to investigate and report back. She did this and told me that JustMe "was not Athena" and that their IPs didn't match. I didn't expect them to. Nor did I expect JustMe to make any posts there but I watched and waited nevertheless in case I was wrong. Well, as of 22.42pm on 11th August 2008, not only has Justme NOT made any posts since the hat was registered in January, Justme actually hasn't been back to the forum at all (although I aresay this could change as a result of this post. Note that JustMe joined Sycamore on 21st jan 2008 and as of this precise moment, JustMe's "last activity" is listed as 02.10 on 21st Jan 2008.

    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/member.php?u=404

    I was sickened by the thought that someone who was pleasant and civil to my face - "everybody's friend" - would behave in this underhand way, but part of me felt kind of sorry for Athena too because being such an outwardly respectable character, I felt that might be genuinely affronted at getting caught, so I backed off and for a while, things jogged along pretty much as usual until for some reason Athena suddenly saw fit to post this at Topix:-

    I suppose Jayelles did not reveal that my IP addresses were investigated and they DO NOT match the Jericho location because I do not come out of the Jericho location.
    Well actually, the check hadn't been to see whether Athena posted out of Jericho, the check had been to see if Athena's IP matched JustMe's and I put this to readers - it would be one thing to register a hat at a forum using a different computer/server or to get a friend to do it for you, but it would be quite another to maintain this alter for any length of time in a posting sense. THAT was why I suspected that "JustMe" wouldn't make any posts.

    Whether or not the JustMe at Sycamore was registered by Athena or a friend of hers, there is little doubt in my mind that Athena made the JustMe posts at Topix. The similarities in posting, mispellings, the location being the same and the sudden use of the anonymous proxy are too compelling.

    But why did she do it and why would she want it stirred up again? Perhaps the answer lies in her allegiance towards certain unsavoury characters and what they say about her character (more later).

    Meanwhile:-

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    Nuisance wrote:
    Solange, don't you know about the way good old Athena from 320 went after Jayelles, both on this board under an assumed name and at CL just before it was closed down?
    No I have not. I've read at CL but the thread does not appear that active. I just have read all the nasty posts that have been written by Jayelles about every single IDI I have ever noticed though and yet I have never seen any nasty comments from IDIs. This is all I can compare it to. You can tell her though that all the guesses that she took as to who I am are wrong and I am not a member of any crime message boards and she does provide entertainment. ROFLMAO
    As I stated above, if I had NOT named my troll in my list of possible suspects, I think she would have rather smugly said nothing so this statement led myself and others to agree that I probably HAD named her.
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    Default So who is Solange

    Well we considered the list of potential suspects. It was obviously someone from 320 Sycamore, someone who supported Athena. I facetiously made a betting list and this was it:-

    LindaA 5-1
    Tipper herself 6-1
    AndU 8-1
    Athena 11-1
    LadyFisher 11-1
    Shill 13-1
    Zoey 8-1
    Margoo 9-1
    Evening2 11-2
    Mame

    Note that at the time of posting, favourite was LindaA followed by E2. Others thought it might be Shill, but I thought it was least likely to be him on account of the fact that he never usually bothers to hide his hat when he's harassing me.

    When I eventually had time to sit down and study Solange's posts, I was fairly open-minded about whom it might be - all of the above were serious contenders for the "poison pen" writer.

    I considered some of Solange's posts:-

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    Daffodil speaks. Incredulous and I only thought you had one liners.
    This one jumped out at me because of the incorrect use of the word incredulous. Some people use it incorrectly instead of "incredible". Incredulous means "unbelieving" (as opposed to uneblievable). People can incredulous but things/situatons/events are incredible.

    I did a simple search of Sycamore and Crimelibrary for the word incredulous and got numerous hits. Out of the list of suspects, Zoey had used it - correctly. (FTR Solace had also used it - correctly). However:-

    Athena

    http://boards.library.trutv.com/show...us#post8991919

    I am in no way justifying the beating of one student by six; the 6 do deserve punishment but not what has been charged. I even look at the bail that was set and compare it to the Logan 6 that got charged with a violent, horrific act against the W Va young woman and that too is incredulous. The Logan 6's bail was set at $100k; the students ranged from $90K to $138K -- explain this one to me and that is for kidnapping, attempted murder and torture. Go figure. Had the bails at least been set lower they could have continued their schooling at least. JMO

    Athena

    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...lous#post17182

    I taped that and actually transcribed that from TIVO the next day and it was definitely said as I did not add or embellish anything. However I do not recall a discussion about it on the board though there may have been - I just do not recall. I actually forgot most of what was said in that documentary until I re-read it tonight when posting it. It was your question that prompted me to look for it. I do recall comments from other posters that said it was accurate as they had just watched it as well. I understand True TV is going to be doing a documentary on JBR but did not see a date. It is in progress.

    When I posted this originally at CL I had made comments but removed them to post here so it just actually shows what was said, but I too thought that the fact that the glass and spoon had never been tested was totally incredulous. Thinking about it however doesn't surprise me. Considering the BPD believed Patsy fed JBR pineapple and her prints were on the bowl; if the spoon and glass had shown someone else's prints or DNA - it would have been exculpatory and we already know that they certainly did not want anything divulged that would point away from the Ramseys.
    Athena

    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...lous#post14815

    I have to hand it to E2 cause I sure see why she won't give up on this couple and understand Lacy's, Hunter's, AND Smit's comments about him still having been a suspect. Definitely bizarre and way, way too many coincidences. It is incredulous that ST/BPD cleared this man because he was too "frail". ST even admits -- these were not just coincidences; they were an 'ATOMIC BOMB" (P128)

    TOTALLY INCREDULOUS!!! JMO
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    Default There's more

    Mixing up incredulous and incredible is on a list of words which some people mix up. So the fact that both Solange and Athena both make this error isn't proof on its own. The fact that Athena was the only person on the lsit of suspects to not only make the error but make it consistently was a little more significant though.

    I looked some more.

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    Rashomon wrote:

    Is it true that Patsy's DNA was found on the longjohns? If yes, WHERE exactly?
    I think your question would be a mute issue. Patsy's DNA would be expected since she put them on JonBenet so it is "default". It is the unknown that stands out here.
    How many people would mistake "moot issue" for "mute issue". I searched the other forums again and found one incidence of it:-

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    koldkase wrote:
    If I'm repeating info, sorry, only had time to skim this thread:
    The ransom note WAS destroyed by testing eventually.
    I believe I did read in PMPT that when the CBI Analysts had completed their analyses the note was tested for fngerprints which means it would have had to have been destroyed. It also means that any analysis done after that would be a mute issue since only those that analyzed the originals would be able to testify as an expert witness in a criminal trial. They would have all wiped each other's testimony out however since none agreed with each other. The handwriting would not bave been an issue in the trial nor lack of fingerprints on the note.
    incredulous + mute issue? The odds are closing.
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    Default What about similar posts?

    When people have been posting on the forums for a long time, some of their statements become quite rehearsed - they start to repeat phrases, definitions, quotes from memory...

    I looked for anything like this. Solange hadn't made too many posts but like JustMe and other trolls, her English was improving by the post and whilst both started off by attacking me, they also both got involved in case discussion.

    Compare this:-

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    It was thoroughly investigated and found to be black duct tape. It is also known as cloth tape. When sold in colored versions it is sometimes called decorator tape and comes in a rainbow of colors, not just the common gray.
    It was traced to be of recent manufacture in NC. By recent manufacture, they claim to have been able to pinpoint it to within weeks of the crime. It was found to have been available for purchase in Boulder at the time of the murder but that does not exclude Atlanta and other cities as obviously Boulder is not the world capital for the sale of this unusual tape.
    This tape in particular is cheap in price and quality. It's adhesive leaves a stain, it frequently stays behind on what it is applied to if you pull it off. Buy some and try it at home. That is why the concept the dolls were removed orginated. The doll would have had a stain to match up like a puzzle piece to the piece of tape from JonBenet.
    The little piece of tape on JonBenet's lips must have been put on after she was dead. It wasn't long enough to bind or restrain her but just long enough to have come off the doll. It didn't stick or leave residue because it was used. Much like the loose cord around her wrists, the tape was just decoration.
    http://www.geocities.com/pinker44
    The Boulder DA has conspired to cover up the death of JonBenet. It's pure and simple. They have never investigaed valid links between items the Ramseys removed from the crime scene. Evidence doesn't lie, people do.
    One question I have is when were these dolls bought? This specific duct tape found on JonBenet was only manufactured the latter part of November and then add distribution time to the tape which would take it another two weeks - so how did it wind up on these dolls a week or two before JonBenet's murder. I also believe when Schiller states "American Dolls" he did not have a clue as one of them was the "My Twin" Doll which is NOT an American Doll. The only American Doll that is known to have been owned was the Samantha one.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...B3/p8#lastPost

    with this:-

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    Originally Posted by aussiesheila
    Yes I understand that Mame, but isn't it possible that it was just a single piece of duct tape that Patsy took off a package, maybe other pieces from the same package got chucked out with the garbage way back and this was just one little bit that was left behind in the boiler room?

    In my theory this is where the duct tape came from. What I am suggesting is that after the killing when the perpetrators were staging a coverup, one of them saw the piece of duct tape lying around and thought it would look add a bit of realism to the kidnap scenario so he put it over JonBenet's mouth as though it had been used as a gag when she was being removed from the house. You have to realise that in my theory her body was placed in the cellar to hide it until they had the opportunity to dump it in the mountains and it was never meant to be found in the cellar.
    One thing to keep in mind. According to the investigation, the duct tape had been recently manufactured. IIRC it was the latter part of 11/95 in NC - given the time it takes for distribution -- it would be kind of surprising (not impossible) to be a re-used piece of tape. JMO
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    Default Another similar post

    There isn't a lot to work on as Solange hasn't made an awful lot of posts, but here is wnother one which has striking similarities:-

    Solange
    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...463SUQKF7QF/p9

    They also suspected Wolf so what. It was his SO who turned on him. If she didn't they wouldn't have known anything about him

    Athena:-
    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...Wolf#post26719

    He was cleared via DNA; not by handwriting. His handwriting was similar; IIRC it was closer than Patsy's and he was also a journalist. I'm going to look for the handwriting reference. Don't want to post false info. I do recall his SO saying the handwriting looked very close to his and he exhibited very strange behavior the morning of the murder. Another one with no alibi and came into the house at 5AM very dirty.
    SO = "Significant Other". I had to look it up . I am not sure how many other posters refer to Jackie Dilson as the "SO", but I do know that both Athena and Solange do!
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    Default Nearly finished

    I don't claim to be a linguistics expert or handwriting boffin. My background is considerably more mundane than that (I have a Phd in Metallurgy...)

    However it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the similarities in the posts between Solange and Athena.

    I started off with a list of potential suspects but earlier, I stated that I reckoned I could eliminate one on the grounds of cheerful disposition. It is my opinion that Solange is a mean spirited coward who makes the time to post anonymous personal attacks. A poison pen writer.

    Rashie correctly identified that LadyFisher was the person whom I considered to cheerful to do this kind of act.

    LadyFisher's raison d'etre seems to be to use up Sycamore's daily bandwidth with cute and cuddly "happy greetings". Anyone who spends as much time as she must creating messages of happiness must surely be affected in a positive way. Not that Ladyfisher isn't above supporting friends in a flamefest. In fact, I think she probably quite enjoys this in a fluffy kind of way. It's just that I don't see her instigating the flamefest. She's rather be one of the cheerleaders. Actually, Ladyfisher used to hold an office at Sycamore (Councilman at large or something like that) but she resigned it in order to cheerlead for E2 at Crimelibrary when she was having one of her meltdowns. Alas, the Mods at CL closed the forum before LadyFisher could shake out her pom-poms so we never got to see her routine :-)

    The I added that I thought three of the list were too intelligent to be Solange. Rashie correctly identified Tipper and Margoo - both of whose intelligence is without a doubt. I'm sure if they were going to play hat games, they wouldn't have left so many clues which pointed directly back at them!

    Rashie wasn't sure about the third high IQ and I guess many will be surprised to learn that I think this of Shill. Despite his Shilly-Billyness, his spelling is pretty spot on and I've read posts he has made at other forums where he is being quite sensible and he really does articulate himself well.

    PLUS, I don't see Shill attacking me behind an anonymous hat and server. I think he'd want me to know it was him who was harassing me LOL

    OK, here's another similarity:-

    Solange

    So there are no RDIs who are posting here other than to disrupt discussion? I have yet to see any discussion even attempted by Daffodil, ROTM or Cyn-Benet; just extraneous comments. If you are truly trying to make a point it needs to be non-biased.
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    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...eous#post26644

    I concur that it is common knowledge as to HOW the NE received the transcripts however their extraneous comments made cannot be validated.

    Athena


    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...eous#post26733

    Well I certainly can understand why the Ramseys felt strongly about him:

    This is paraphrased from PMPT as I left out extraneous descriptive info.

    This one seems less interesting perhaps until you notice that Athena is the only person at Sycamore to use the word "extraneous" of her own accord (i.e. in her own words). Out of only 8 occurrences at Sycamore of the word two were Athena's own words and the other six were part of copied and pasted articles which other posters had included in their posts. It really isn't a common word.

    (I was only kidding about the PHd in Metallurgy BTW
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    Default Do I rest my case?

    Well I have presented my case and you the jury can decide. I think the "evidence" is pretty overwhelming but there is another possibility and that is that one of that group has played an even cleverer game in order to implicate Athena!

    I fully expect an angry response from Athena and her buddies but I do hope theyll come up with a better defene than the last one which consisted of (paraphrased) "Of course it isn't Athena - ANY idiot can see it isn't" (no supporting arguments)

    One might ask, what would Athena's motive be in playing these disgusting games - because this isn't just about attacking me. In fact, the attacking me bit is pretty insignificant compared to the act of doing something underhand which would place ones' friends under suspicion and of telling lies as in "I don't post on any message boards". ONE of that group is playing games and placing the rest of them under suspicion. That person is a coward and is certainly no "friend".

    However, Athena possibly does have a motive for wanting to lash out at me. Some weeks ago I appealed to Athena to deal with the snide remarks which were destroying the discussion at Sycamore. She was Moderator there and she was doing sweet Fanny Adams about it. Most of the sniping was coming from her own buddies but I didn;t name names, I just asked her to deal with them. I knew from experience that reporting posts has zero effect at Sycamore - I don't think Admin even looks at them. Athena basically told me to take a hike and that if I had a problem with any posts - to report them to Freshwater who owns the forums. Excuse me.... what's a moderator for? Later, there was some remark made about me having asked for infractions to be given and how Athena couldn't give infractions, but that was absolutely not the case. Athena can delete posts, she can edite them and if SHE had reported them, something might just have been done about them. Instead, Athena seemd to prefer reserving her moderator status for dealing with the opposition and Sycamore was fast gaining a seriously bad reputaiton for that reason.

    So I resigned my membership and gave Athena's appalling moderation as my reason. Others agreed both publicly and privately. Then last week, it was announced that Athena was "stepping down" as moderator and hallalujah to that. She has to have been the most blatantly biased moderator of all times and any forum is only ever as good as its moderators.

    ...but that's a whole other discussion!
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    Let the meltdown begin. I'm away to bed. I will update my posts with links tomorrow.
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    Default Forgot one thing

    I knew I'd posted (later) twice above and had only gone back and addressed one of them....

    Regarding Athena fitting the profile of a troll.

    I said above that prior to her JustMe game, Athena was a highly regarded poster - everyone's friend - without a stain on her character type of poster. However there has always been one thing about Athena which many people found hard to fathom - and that was her buddyship with the notorious Shill. Shill is a vile creature who is incapable of making a single post without a personal attack - whether that be against an individual or RDIs as a whole. By his own admission, he gets drunk and then makes abusive posts. He is constantly getting banned for his personal attacks and is well renowned for making the vilest anti-ramsey posts of all at WS under the hat of Toaster - something he denied for a long time (even blaming others including myself) before he finally admitted that he'd done it "as a joke".

    However, vile and disruptive as Shill was, a SMALL group of posters seemed to love him. This group included Zoey, LindaA, LadyFisher. AndU and ... Athena. They gave him positive reputation points when he made vile posts and they begged him to join Sycamore when at first he didn't do so.

    It is widely agreed that the reason they love him has nothing to do with his charm, looks, personality, informative posts or social position, but rather for the fact that they LOVED that he said vile things to people they didn't like.

    What kind of people enjoy watching a bully in action? The kind who should be made moderators?

    In fact, it was always puzzling why Athena who never said anything bad about anyone (publicly under her own hat that is) should align herself with someone like Shill, but I think that is clear enough now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    That is exactly what baffles me to no end. I know as a Pastors daughter I was raised to do good, turn the other cheek. However it is not I who is persecuting them. The very opposit eis true. Everyone has limitations. I am a human being after all. I would say I am very naieve I have never seen such cruelty. However I do have the responsibility to not be turned bitter by all this. I am working hard on it. It makes no sense to me. None !
    Colorado, as a Christian you could take Jesus as role model here when he fought back at his adversaries. He called the pharisees hypocrities and liars to their face, and threw the pedlars out of the temple.
    Jesus was not to be bullied, but stood up to them all.
    So taking the bully Shill by the horns would not bring you in conflict with the Christian belief.
    If he keeps threatenting you by emails, sue him. For cyberharrasing is a criminal offense, in case the skank has forgotten it.

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    [All quotes: Jayelles]
    Rashie correctly identified that LadyFisher was the person whom I considered to cheerful to do this kind of act.

    LadyFisher's raison d'etre seems to be to use up Sycamore's daily bandwidth with cute and cuddly "happy greetings". Anyone who spends as much time as she must creating messages of happiness must surely be affected in a positive way. Not that Ladyfisher isn't above supporting friends in a flamefest. In fact, I think she probably quite enjoys this in a fluffy kind of way. It's just that I don't see her instigating the flamefest. She's rather be one of the cheerleaders. Actually, Ladyfisher used to hold an office at Sycamore (Councilman at large or something like that) but she resigned it in order to cheerlead for E2 at Crimelibrary when she was having one of her meltdowns. Alas, the Mods at CL closed the forum before LadyFisher could shake out her pom-poms so we never got to see her routine :-)
    Nice and spot-on characterization of happy-go-lucky cheerleader LadyFisher, Jayelles.
    The I added that I thought three of the list were too intelligent to be Solange. Rashie correctly identified Tipper and Margoo - both of whose intelligence is without a doubt. I'm sure if they were going to play hat games, they wouldn't have left so many clues which pointed directly back at them!
    No they would be too smart for that. Also, I don't think Lady Louisa aka Tipper is a game-playing type in general and would probably consider it as 'childish' and beneath her 'dignity' to engage in such camouflage games.
    As for Margoo, I think she is more the type who would launch a direct attack, like a bull storming toward the enemy.
    Rashie wasn't sure about the third high IQ and I guess many will be surprised to learn that I think this of Shill. Despite his Shilly-Billyness, his spelling is pretty spot on and I've read posts he has made at other forums where he is being quite sensible and he really does articulate himself well.
    I think you may be right about Shill being quite intelligent, Jay. He is a nasty and mean piece of work, but not dumb.
    PLUS, I don't see Shill attacking me behind an anonymous hat and server. I think he'd want me to know it was him who was harassing me LOL
    Jmo too. Shill is blunt and prefers the direct attack. Solange's posts are also not shocking and graphic enough to have come from Shill. I think Solange's posts would have looked a bit different had he written them.
    However it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the similarities in the posts between Solange and Athena.
    Great job, Jayelles!
    By closely comparing Solange's with Athena's posts, you have done what D. England called "mind-tracking": for a person's mind pattern will invariably shine through when one analyzes their posts and other writings.
    Spelling mistakes, wrong use of words, personal mannerisms in the use of certain words or phrases - that and other factors actually make it quite difficult for people to disguise who they are when trying to post as someone else.
    Well I have presented my case and you the jury can decide. I think the "evidence" is pretty overwhelming but there is another possibility and that is that one of that group has played an even cleverer game in order to implicate Athena!
    Solange IS Athena, I have no doubt whatsoever now that I have read the material you have collected. For the similarities between Solange's and Athena's posts are too striking to be coincidental imo.
    You're one helluva sleuth, Jayelles - kudos! I felt a bit like Hastings helping the great Poirot here.

    It is also extremely unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble of implicating Athena by sophisticatedly tracking down her word mistakes, spelling mistakes and other stuff she wrote, and the to fabricate the 'Solange' posts, hoping they would be connected to Athena.
    So the KISS priciple and Occam's razor applied, this leaves our darling Athena as the writer of the 'Solange' posts; Athena who once again is trying to bamboozle others in her hateful attempt to revengefully go after a poster.
    (I was only kidding about the PHd in Metallurgy BTW
    I didn't read that at first Jay, and already had a picture of you in my mind on an expedition looking for rare metals in the Scottish highlands ...

    I have a PhD too - in putting off houesehold chores, lol. My gift for that manifested itself early in life, as a young girl already where I drove the Catholic nuns to distraction with my laziness in that field.
    But I MUST clean out those kitchen cabinets this week. And do the stove. And .... I'll start tomorrow morning I think.
    Last edited by rashomon; August 12, 2008, 5:55 pm at Tue Aug 12 17:55:07 UTC 2008.



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