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    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon View Post
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    Nice and spot-on characterization of happy-go-lucky cheerleader LadyFisher, Jayelles.

    No they would be too smart for that. Also, I don't think Lady Louisa aka Tipper is a game-playing type in general and would probably consider it as 'childish' and beneath her 'dignity' to engage in such camouflage games.
    As for Margoo, I think she is more the type who would launch a direct attack, like a bull storming at the enemy.

    I think you may be right about Shill being quite intelligent, Jay. He is a nasty and mean piece of work, but not dumb.

    Jmo too. Shill is blunt and prefers the direct attack. Solange's posts are also not shocking and graphic enough to have come from Shill. I think Solange's posts would have looked a bit different had he written them.

    Great job, Jayelles!
    By closely comparing Solange's with Athena's posts, you have done what D. England called "mind-tracking": for a person's mind pattern will invariably shine through when one analyzes their posts and other writings.
    Spelling mistakes, wrong use of words, personal mannerisms in the use of certain words or phrases - that and other factors actually make it quite difficult for people to disguise who they are when trying to post as someone else.

    Solange IS Athena, I have no doubt whatsoever now that I have read the material you have collected. For the similarities between Solange's and Athena's posts are too striking to be coincidental imo.
    You're one helluva sleuth, Jayelles - kudos! I felt a bit like Hastings helping the great Poirot here.

    It is also extremely unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble of implicating Athena by sophisticatedly tracking down her word mistakes, spelling mistakes and other stuff she wrote, and the to fabricate the 'Solange' posts, hoping they would be connected to Athena.
    So the KISS priciple and Occam's razor applied, this leaves our darling Athena as the writer of the 'Solange' posts; Athena who once again is trying to bamboozle others in her hateful attempt to revengefully go after a poster.

    I didn't read that first Jay, and already had a picture of you in my mind on an expedition looking for rare metals in the Scottish highlands ...

    I have a PhD too - in putting off houesehold chores, lol. My gift for that manifested itself early in life, as a young girl already where I drove the Catholic nuns to distraction with my laziness in that field.
    But I MUST clean out those kitchen cabinets this week. And do the stove. And .... I'll start tomorrow morning I think.
    Well... I'll keep an open mind and if Solange isn't Athena, perhaps she'll do the decent thing and reveal herself so that Athena's name can be cleared. Somehow I don't think that will happen because regardless of whether Solange is or isn't Athena, we are dealing with a nasty little coward who hides behind a group of people caring not whether they suffer the fallout of her actions.

    FTR, I'm not in any way wounded by Solange's attacks - despite the fact that this is a person who wants to cause trouble for me. I'm pretty immune to that sort of thing and they were mild in comparison with Shill's bile. If Athena or whomever Solange may be had simply spoken her mind under her own hat, this would have been a non-issue. What I object to (and I mean this sincerely) is the act of accusing me of cowardice when she herself was using an anonymous hat and server. Add to that the fact that this person who called ME slime/vile/coward was behaving like a troll whilst effectively placing her own group of friends under suspicion. THAT is what I find objectionable. I recall some years ago that there was a private forum. Note that it was private and not "secret" because at the time of its inception, an open invitation was extended for people to join. However, over time, this group of forum friends relaxed and things were said within the confines of the forum which wouldn't have been posted on a public forum. Nothing scandalous, just family stuff, chit chat. Then the forum was invaded by a bunch of high school bullies who trashed their way through the threads mocking some of the stuff which had been posted there and threatening to copy and paste it onto a public forum. It destroyed this forum, but it also destroyed something much more precious than that. It destroyed people's trust because the bullies claimed that one of the forum had given her the password. Everyone denied it but at the same time, everyone was wondering about the other members. That is what happens with anonymous misdeeds - it places everyone under suspicion and I think that is just horrible.

    There are people who own up and apologise when they get caught doing bad things and people respect this so much. Then there are people who do bad things but who blame others when they get caught. There are even people who blame the victim for reporting them and "getting them into trouble". I see this type of individual at school and it's usually a bully. "I wouldn't have gotten into trouble if you hadn't grassed me up". They don't see that they wouldn't have gotten into trouble if they hadn't done the wrong deed in the first place!

    I daresay that there will be those who will see me not as the victim of the original anonymous attacks, but as the evil witch who is trying to get their friend into trouble.

    I just want whomever it is who keeps making these anonymous attacks to back off. I don't go looking for trouble, but I will deal with it if it comes looking for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    There are people who own up and apologise when they get caught doing bad things and people respect this so much. Then there are people who do bad things but who blame others when they get caught. There are even people who blame the victim for reporting them and "getting them into trouble".
    Gosh, you just described the RST, led by the Ramseys, Susan Stine, and jams, perfectly. Not to mention child molesters and those who protect them....

    Ah yes, the private forum River started and opened to anyone, announced on Websleuths, which was her forum then, because of jams' silly SPAM "reports" to the WS server when ANYONE at WS posted about jams' stupid exploits...AND I DO MEAN EXPLOITATIONS. Jams caused so much trouble for River that a "smilie" was replaced for jams' hat whenever anyone typed out "jameson"; the "snake" smilie, was used for a time, but they got very creative...and it was MUCH worse for jams than using her stupid hat, hahaha. Very funny stuff.

    So in reponse to jams' harassment, River started a "private" forum--at Delphi, wasn't it?--and invited one and all to post there; all they had to do was pm her and she gave out the password, no qualifications asked. Relatively few people were interested, as I remember, and it got off to a slow start, with many of us just joining to support River's intention, which was to highlight the absurdity of jams' pettiness. After months of just a few posts per day, eventually some alliances and friendships were formed there and it was nice for about a year.

    Then, as you said, Jayelles, a bunch of bullies angry about this or that, or just nasty for the pleasure of being mean, stormed in, former Justice Watch Queens, as I remember it, and set about flaming. They copied all the posts, as if we cared, but the forum was ruined because of the invasion of its spirit, more than anything. We went there to post with forum "friends" over this and that, as it had turned into a "sanctuary" forum, more than anything; my beloved Phoebie got sick and died while I was on that forum, and I was grateful to have a place to mourn her passing with forum friends. So what was the point in continuing if we were being attacked there by people who only wanted to hurt us by mocking us, whose intention was to destroy the forum? We had that at other forums already.

    In fact, River was in the middle of a war at WS at the time, with the former owner who started WS, Murphy, so that seemed to be part of the impetus for trashing the private forum--what was the name, it's on the tip of my fingers...? Of course, there are suspicions as to who sent the Old Queens the password and set them on us, a mean-spirited action all the way round, but that's what trolls enjoy, isn't it? Ah well, it's history, but it is the same old pattern and we've seen it many times.

    So it's no surprise when these trolls show up attacking people at forums. This is why forums like FFJ exist, after all, where membership is strict and moderating maintains "the neighborhood". Topix is not monitored unless someone hits the alert button, so it's a free for all, pretty much, which is fine with me, as it is what it is. So it's inevitable that trolls will show up in TRUE RST BULLYING FASHION, hiding behind a hat to do nothing but attack people: so RAMSEY of them, as they can't win the debate on the evidence, so naturally they just go straight to flaming. It's a wonder these people are CONSISTENTLY too stupid to see it never makes the HOLIER-THAN-THOU Ramseys look good, but there it is: most Ramsey supporters have serious problems with rationale, logic, and honesty. The Ramseys draw them like flies to death.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    I will find a way to remain strong and calm. Thanks

    CK, believe me, we've all been there, done that. Something about the murder and molestation of a child, whose parents have fostered nothing but evil in the investigation by evading, hiding, and obstructing the truth, brings out the sickos like maggots on dead meat. Before I came online to learn about the investigation of this murder some 8 years ago, I had no idea such people existed in such abundance. It's a hard and bitter lesson, we know. Many of us have had our stalkers through the years, and it is scary. So never think we don't appreciate how frightening it is to encounter such evil when it invades your life. We do.

    All I can tell you is what you undoubtedly know by now: never, ever give out your personal email server address to online contacts until you have known them for a very, very long time, as some are just milking you for info to use to attack you with or forward to those who will. It's why "hotmail" was created, after all, and you can close one of those accounts pronto if you get tagged by a troll. And never ever give out your personal info--health, family, business, anything--until you know through years of trust-building whom you can trust, and how much, among your contacts/friends. There are many of us who have been posting here for years and years, yet we couldn't tell you most posters' personal info or real names if our lives depended on it. It's not even that we don't trust each other, just that we learned the the hard way and simply don't ASK or want to know, because not knowing is how we protect each other, as well.

    So nobody blames you and don't blame yourself. It's a hard lesson to learn. Who knew how careful you have to be over posting on forums? But there it is: evil lives in PEOPLE, and the most evil LOVE the RAMSEYS!

    Edited to add: I'm kind of reading the posts last to first here, got behind this weekend with family. But if you are being harassed in email repeatedly by shill, that's legally stalking. Call your local PD and make a complaint. They'll advise you. They could subpoena the forum/server for records to identify the perp, in some cases. At the very least, they'll help you figure out what to do about the PERV. (If this has already been discussed, sorry.
    Last edited by koldkase; August 12, 2008, 1:14 pm at Tue Aug 12 13:14:53 UTC 2008.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    As to Athena being the person behind the "new" hat attacking you at topix, Jayelles, of course the "suspect list" is short anyway, as it obviously is a Sycamore poster who also posted at topix at some point. You make a compelling case for that flamer being Athena. Either it's Athena or someone in alliance with her who has picked up some of the same style and errors in her writing and vice versa; or it's someone wanting to make her look bad by copying her writing style.

    Gosh, that's the "Patsy wrote the ransom note" debate in a nutshell, isn't it?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    CK, believe me, we've all been there, done that. Something about the murder and molestation of a child, whose parents have fostered nothing but evil in the investigation by evading, hiding, and obstructing the truth, brings out the sickos like maggots on dead meat. Before I came online to learn about the investigation of this murder some 8 years ago, I had no idea such people existed in such abundance. It's a hard and bitter, lesson, we know. Many of us have had our stalkers through the years, and it is scary. So never think we don't appreciate how frightening it is to encounter such evil when it invades your life. We do.

    All I can tell you is what you undoubtedly know by now: never, ever give out your personal email server address to online contacts until you have known them for a very, very long time, as some are just milking you for info to use to attack you with or forward to those who will. It's why "hotmail" was created, after all, and you can close one of those accounts pronto if you get tagged by a troll. And never ever give out your personal info--health, family, business, anything--until you know through years of trust-building whom you can trust, and how much, among your contacts/friends. There are many of us who have been posting here for years and years, yet we couldn't tell you most posters' personal info or real names if our lives depended on it. It's not even that we don't trust each other, just that we learned the the hard way and simply don't ASK or want to know, because not knowing is how we protect each other, as well.

    So nobody blames you and don't blame yourself. It's a hard lesson to learn. Who knew how careful you have to be over posting on forums? But there it is: evil lives in PEOPLE, and the most evil LOVE the RAMSEYS!
    Hear Hear. I can't remember what the private forum was called - it was a short name. I do remember our beloved Liz and her broken heart. The attack had nothing to do with debating the Ramsey case, nothing to do with honest to goodness sparring or even sarcastic tit for tat. It was an unprovoked, nasty, mean-spirited attack for its own sake. The big kid kicking over the little kid's sand-castle - just because he could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post


    My feelings are that the other person who has a high IQ is actually Shill. I know he doesn't act like it but when did IQ ever have anything to do with common sense?
    What? Oh my. Intelligent is not an adjective I'd associate with that dimwit at all. Speaking of wit, he hasn't any. He tries, but it rises no higher than an immature, adolescent level. His emotional IQ is really in the "challenged" range. I don't even bother to address him, as he's too thick to be worth the effort, IMO. He's a very nasty, emotionally immature male who can't put two and two together and knows it, so throws in as many red herrings and personal attacks as he can trying to hide the fact. He seems to have nothing to offer but negative energy, a true measure of a desperate character. Unless he IS 12, of course. Which I have considered....

    You lose 10 points on this one, Jayelles.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    As to Athena being the person behind the "new" hat attacking you at topix, Jayelles, of course the "suspect list" is short anyway, as it obviously is a Sycamore poster who also posted at topix at some point. You make a compelling case for that flamer being Athena. Either it's Athena or someone in alliance with her who has picked up some of the same style and errors in her writing and vice versa; or it's someone wanting to make her look bad by copying her writing style.

    Gosh, that's the "Patsy wrote the ransom note" debate in a nutshell, isn't it?
    It certainly looks like Athena. That did surprise me (note how far down the list of suspects she was to begin with).

    I'm inclined to think that "Solange" was hoping that either Shill or Tipper would get the blame. Shill is an obvious suspect for a start and the initial excuse for the attack was this thread which responds to Tipper's unreasonable attack on an article written by one of our members. But it just goes to show how important it is to study the FACTS because quite a few people thought it was Shill and without studying the evidence, I could have found that perfectly feasible.

    You make in interesting comparison regarding the Ramsey ransom note and how it points to Patsy yet if it isn't her, then it's someone who wants her to carry the can for it. There are so many parallels between Ramsey case behaviour and forum member behaviour. It's almost like a fractal effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    It certainly looks like Athena. That did surprise me (note how far down the list of suspects she was to begin with).

    I'm inclined to think that "Solange" was hoping that either Shill or Tipper would get the blame. Shill is an obvious suspect for a start and the initial excuse for the attack was this thread which responds to Tipper's unreasonable attack on an article written by one of our members. But it just goes to show how important it is to study the FACTS because quite a few people thought it was Shill and without studying the evidence, I could have found that perfectly feasible.

    You make in interesting comparison regarding the Ramsey ransom note and how it points to Patsy yet if it isn't her, then it's someone who wants her to carry the can for it. There are so many parallels between Ramsey case behaviour and forum member behaviour. It's almost like a fractal effect.
    Hm. I suppose now I have to look up "fractal effect"....

    Unless shill is purposefully writing like an under-educated wanker, he isn't capable of writing the "solange" posts. He is linguistically challenged beyond the occasional misspelling, typo/grammatic errors, and overuse of cliche. I have found this consistent in his writing wherever I've had the misfortune to come across it. Let's hope when he advances to 8th grade, he will have improved his language arts.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    hahaha "Solange" is a person who doesn't "belong" to any of the usual forums which discuss this case, but who knows every detail and nuance about them? HAHAHAHA She has, as most trolls eventually do with their own attempt at cleverness, put the lie to her own words:

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    So SBoyd do you wipe Jayelles' butt too? Jayelles is afraid to post here because it would reveal her cover. She accuses others of using different servers but who would think of such a thing unless they are doing it themselves. She will just continue to hide behind FFJ - that is what cowards do.
    How remarkable that a person who hasn't posted on the "JBR/true crime" boards and claims not to have a dog in this hunt is so personally affronted by Jayelles as to come "out" at topix to attack Jayelles so EXTENSIVELY AND IN SUCH DETAIL!

    And ALWAYS, the DOUBLE STANDARD: as you point out, Jayelles, "Solange" hides her USUAL hat identity BEHIND ANOTHER HAT IDENTITY to accuse YOU of being a coward. HAHAHAHAHA

    Those RSTers. They just never stop amazing me with their duplicitous stupidity. They're as good at covering up "their crimes" as Patsy was, IMO. It's always obvious who they are. And they are, as ever, just empty shills who NEVER "get it". Not an honest soul nor a TRUE HEART among them. They simply never see that it doesn't matter what your POV about this case is, it's WHO YOU ARE that shines through. And the people who defend the Ramseys with their personal attacks and deceptive behavior just do the Ramseys NO GOOD AT ALL.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    CK, believe me, we've all been there, done that. Something about the murder and molestation of a child, whose parents have fostered nothing but evil in the investigation by evading, hiding, and obstructing the truth, brings out the sickos like maggots on dead meat. Before I came online to learn about the investigation of this murder some 8 years ago, I had no idea such people existed in such abundance. It's a hard and bitter lesson, we know. Many of us have had our stalkers through the years, and it is scary. So never think we don't appreciate how frightening it is to encounter such evil when it invades your life. We do.

    All I can tell you is what you undoubtedly know by now: never, ever give out your personal email server address to online contacts until you have known them for a very, very long time, as some are just milking you for info to use to attack you with or forward to those who will. It's why "hotmail" was created, after all, and you can close one of those accounts pronto if you get tagged by a troll. And never ever give out your personal info--health, family, business, anything--until you know through years of trust-building whom you can trust, and how much, among your contacts/friends. There are many of us who have been posting here for years and years, yet we couldn't tell you most posters' personal info or real names if our lives depended on it. It's not even that we don't trust each other, just that we learned the the hard way and simply don't ASK or want to know, because not knowing is how we protect each other, as well.

    So nobody blames you and don't blame yourself. It's a hard lesson to learn. Who knew how careful you have to be over posting on forums? But there it is: evil lives in PEOPLE, and the most evil LOVE the RAMSEYS!

    Edited to add: I'm kind of reading the posts last to first here, got behind this weekend with family. But if you are being harassed in email repeatedly by shill, that's legally stalking. Call your local PD and make a complaint. They'll advise you. They could subpoena the forum/server for records to identify the perp, in some cases. At the very least, they'll help you figure out what to do about the PERV. (If this has already been discussed, sorry.
    Thank you so much. I am learning ...Tom MC / Shill/ Toaster/Buckethead/ and I am pretty sure Red Dragon are all one of the same. He was Tom Mc on the first forum I ever went to during the onslaught following John Mark Karr. He has made my life hell since. I have learned much since and the only reason my personal info is out so to speak is my family was getting emails after my stroke How they got my addy I dont know How is CK???? So when I could I expalined to the forum Id had a nearly fatal stroke. Thinking that would quiet things down. Far from it as I made friends with one forum owner the one that Shill claims now hated me all alont with andU. My family gave out information to that forum owner that should never have gotten out. I am forever trying to undo the damage from that. I have learned and one day I hope this is all behind me and I can re earn your trust

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    Jayelles, you hang in there. I cannot for the life of me think why anyone would even think to try to do this to you. I thank you for all you have done for me. It is sincerely appreciated. I think you know that everyone here supports you whole heartedly. You are fair and honest and you always say it like it is. You are admired by all. Sycamore has lost a true voice of reason



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