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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    Jayelles, you hang in there. I cannot for the life of me think why anyone would even think to try to do this to you. I thank you for all you have done for me. It is sincerely appreciated. I think you know that everyone here supports you whole heartedly. You are fair and honest and you always say it like it is. You are admired by all. Sycamore has lost a true voice of reason
    I second that Jayelles.

    I love going back and reading those posts. I think we have all done an excellent job of holding down the fort, but Jayelles, you are the best at figuring out who is who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    Jayelles, you hang in there. I cannot for the life of me think why anyone would even think to try to do this to you. I thank you for all you have done for me. It is sincerely appreciated. I think you know that everyone here supports you whole heartedly. You are fair and honest and you always say it like it is. You are admired by all. Sycamore has lost a true voice of reason
    I'm convinced that this 'Solange' is poster Athena who imo never got over being exposed by Jayelles who had umasked her as being behind the 'JustMe' hat.
    Athena totally flew off the handle on the CL board when realizing Jayelles had unmasked her. I have seen quite a few temper tantrums on forums, but THAT one by Athena was vintage, lol. She yelled at Jayelles in big bolded letters, which made it all the more obvious that she must have felt like Rumpelstilzkin when he realized his name had been found out.
    Had she and Jay been in the same room, I have no doubt Athena would have attacked her physically - she was that furious.
    All that bordered on the comical since Athena always was so adamant in the JBR discussions about civilized Patsy Ramsey allegedly not being able to build up enough anger to spill over into a rage attack, and there she was herself, civilized and educated Athena, the resident level-headed Mrs Nice and Fair on the JBR boards, snapping and losing it.
    Now one would think Athena, who had burnt her fingers already by being detected so easily as being JustMe, would abstain from playing deception games she clearly is not good at. But rational assessment usually takes a back seat when emotions come into play, and emotions won over once more with Athena when a few weeks ago, Jayelles told the Sycamore board owner that Athena's appalling performance as a moderator (it WAS abysmal indeed!) was the reason for cancelling her membership.
    Imo her spiteful 'Solange' posts are Athena's (easy to see through) attempt at trying to take revenge on Jayelles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon View Post
    I'm convinced that this 'Solange' is poster Athena who imo never got over being exposed by Jayelles who had umasked her as being behind the 'JustMe' hat.
    Athena totally flew off the handle on the CL board when realizing Jayelles had unmasked her. I have seen quite a few temper tantrums on forums, but THAT one by Athena was vintage, lol. She yelled at Jayelles in big bolded letters, which made it all the more obvious that she must have felt like Rumpelstilzkin when he realized his name had been found out.
    Had she and Jay been in the same room, I have no doubt Athena would have attacked her physically - she was that furious.
    All that bordered on the comical since Athena always was so adamant in the JBR discussions about civilized Patsy Ramsey allegedly not being able to build up enough anger to spill over into a rage attack, and there she was herself, civilized and educated Athena, the resident level-headed Mrs Nice and Fair on the JBR boards, snapping and losing it.
    Now one would think Athena, who had burnt her fingers already by being detected so easily as being JustMe, would abstain from playing deception games she clearly is not good at. But rational assessment usually takes a back seat when emotions come into play, and emotions won over once more with Athena when a few weeks ago, Jayelles told the Sycamore board owner that Athena's appalling performance as a moderator (it WAS abysmal indeed!) was the reason for cancelling her membership.
    Imo her spiteful 'Solange' posts are Athena's (easy to see through) attempt at trying to take revenge on Jayelles.
    When I anwered Solanges question regarding Why do I stay I felt that was Athena jumping to defend Shill. I have no doubt now. What a bunch of low lifes. She asked why dont I just lleave all forums saying it might be the best iidea. No, not it feels like cutting an running. I have done nothing wrong. At the end of the day I will continue to call for Justice for JonBenet.

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    There's another coward posting at Topix in Athena's defence. Tipper lives in Arizona, but I don't think it's her (might be wrong). Ashley's posts sometimes show up as Phoenix and we know she LOVES to get involved in other peoples spats (although she's not alone in that). Ashley's not been around for a while, but we know she can't resist a flamefest so this could being her out from hiding.

    It could also be LindaA or Zoey for reasons which I will explain below. Both of these posters are great pals of Shill. LindaA doesn't post much but she can usually be depended upon to stick her nose in if there's a dispute between posters.

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    IF Athena has resorted to anything that is out of her character it is because JLs has been on her case ever since she had been named Mod at 320. I watched the entire thing unfold and JLs has proven the title of snake that Athena named her. Athena hold your head up high for you have nothing to be ashamed of and it is clear what JLs has tried to do and continues to do. I know Athena has never turned on her friends and she owes you nothing.

    Candy -- you know JLs.
    I don't intend to address all of the atacks which will undoubtedly follow, but I'd like to address this because it's very typical of the kind of attacks I have seen from a certain bunch of IDI posters first at CL and then at Sycamore. I expect the rest to be similar to this one and so my following comments will effectively apply to other attacks too.


    Jayelles has been on Athena's case ever since she was mae Mod at 320

    I admit 100% that I did not think Athena was a suitable moderator for a JBR forum where there were opposing sides. I wasn't alone. But that was not "personal" - it was an entirely logical viewpoint in the interests of fairness. By the time she was made moderator, Athena had already shown herself to be fully aligned to a group who were incapable of discussing the case civilly without barbs in practically every post. Athena didn't do this, but she had made it very clear that these were her buddies and that she stood by them.

    I had absolutely no issue with Athena on a personal level but by the time she was appointed moderator, Athena had already shown us all how keen she was to get Shill to join the group and that was a MASSIVE red flag IMO Shill had caused endless bother at CL and his constant attacks not only disrupted the discussion on a regular basis, but they also caused quite a bit of misery at times too. It is a fact that Shill has driven away several good posters. Shill had chosen NOT to join Sycamore and so here was a chance for a fresh start without the worst offending troublemaker. The fact that this group weren't so keen to get Bullmoose to join Sycamore spoke volumes. Bullmoose adds much more to the discussion that Shill. We didn't see the group posting about how desperate they were for Bullmoose to join and how they were all emailing him to try and persualde him.... There is no doubt in my mind that they loved Shill for his vile attacks on people they disliked. That they ENJOYED the attacks.

    I think anyone who openly supports the kind of behaviour which disrupts discussions should NOT be made a moderator.

    At a personal level, I had no gripe with Athena (none whatsoever!) and if anyone thinks I did - I'd like to see the proof! All I EVER wanted was a level playing field - for SOMEONE to stop the personal attacks and tag team behaviour and I didn't care who that was. I knew from experience that all it takes is a moderator to consistently deal with the bad behaviour for a short period of time and it will stop - the trolls will give up. Discussion is at its most enjoyable and productive when a decent moderator is keeping the troublemakers in check.

    As it happens, my suspicions were correct and Athena proved to be a lousy, one-sided moderator. AND I have the proof of it. Athena consistently turned a blind eye to the barbs and personal attacks made by her own buddies but if the people being attacked responded, she warned them of reported them! I have three examples of where she allowed her buddies to attack/bait/attack and AS SOON AS an RDI responded, Athena jumped in to give a warning "to everyone" - but there it was - mod warning straight after an RDI post every time. Psychologically, people associate the warning with the post above it. I also have examples from the Infraction thread where someone had reported an IDI for a personal attack and Athena saw fit to add a comment defending them! It was appalling and at that time, several really good posters left grumbling that they hated the one-sided moderation. I didn't leave at that time but I saved the threads as proof and when I had numerous examples, I complained about Athena. That was when the JustMe attacks began at Topix.

    I think that words were spoken to Athena about the complaints because for a while, she seemed to make an effort to control the discussion and I know she was aware of the criticism (which did not just come from me BTW). Unfortunately, she eventually just stopped moderating altogether and when I asked her to deal with the flying insults (which were destroying the discussion and giving the forum a bad name), she basically told me to take a hike and that if I had a problem with any posts, to pm Freshwater. That is NOT what we expect from a moderator and I think it is no coincidence that Athena lost her Moderator badge shortly afterwards.


    "Athena has nothing to be ashamed of"

    The fact that "Outside Looking In" from Phoenix Arizona thinks that Athena has done nothing to be ashamed of speaks volumes for the integrity of this person (or lack of it). This person is basically saying that there's nothing wrong with playing nasty hat games whilst being openly friendly with a person. She is also saying that it's OK to facilitate a troublemaker and a bully who makes others life a misery. She's saying it's OK for a Moderator not to moderate her own buddies (doubt she'd say that was on the receiving end of the bile). She's also saying that it's OK to do nasty things in a way which places your friends under suspicion too. I guess "Outside Looking In" believes this is OK because that's what she's doing too!

    JLs
    (I'm quite amused by this one). Note that this person refers to me as JLs. Recently, a poster at CL referred to me as JLs and I asked if I knew him from elsewhere because there was ONE another poster in the dim and distant past who called me JLs. I think it's funny to see it written this way because it's not how I pronounce it. Anyway, that's beside the point. The person who called me JLs at CL is someone whom I've been having a civil discussion with for many weeks. Shill is hating the fact that he has been unable to disrupt this civil discussion and recently, he rather pathetically resorted to attacking the other person. But I'm not suggesting that "Outside looking in" is Shill.... LindaA and Zoey have also joined in with Shill's attacks in the past couple of weeks (their posts were promptly deleted by a Mod) and they would almost certainly have seen the discussion about Jayelles/JLs there.

    So I suspect that this may be a slimey attempt to cause trouble between me and the person who called me JLs at CL. LOL What kind of people are these who are always sneaking around doing horrible things and trying to make it look like someone else?

    Poking Candy with a stick
    Also note the attempt to draw Candy into the fray. This person is clearly out to cause trouble and is poking Candy with a stick in order to get her to add a few insults too. This is particularly pathetic because it's well known that Candy hates everyone and often gets herself into a complete tangle because of it! Poke her with a stick and she will perform on demand. It's also a well known fact that every time Candy "performs", she gets ridiculed. "Outside Looking In" clearly doesn't care if Candy gets ridiculed - just as long as Candy performs when required and directs a few insults to me.

    The bottom line is, many people thought Athena was a bad choice for moderator and she proved them right. Right up until the last day or two, she REFUSED to deal with any of her buddies' bad behaviour. I had to laugh at one of her last posts as Moderator where she said:-

    I deleted posts with are making fun of the RDI acronym. This is disrespectful to all the RDIs. Again, please debate the content of the posts. This is really getting out of control and truly needs to stop.
    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...7524#post77524

    Too little too late. If she had done this in the very first instance, things would have been very different.

    As it happens, it was the correct decision for her to be replaced as Moderator and judging by the poor response "farewell as Mod" thread, it would appear that many agree. I doubt she was having much fun anyway. If her friends had been decent people, they might have moderated themselves when it was clear she was incapable of doing it for them. I daresay she might blame posters for her failure to make the rade but at the end of the day - she was the one with the power to deal with trouble. She just didn't use it where it was needed most.

    It's very easy to attack someone and accuse them of being a snake or slime - anyone can do that. However, I have supported every single statement I have made with a source and an explanation and I challenge "Outside Looking In/aka/..." (no doubt this person will be using multiple nics) to provide the proof for hers. Whilst I have fully backed up my grievance with Athena all she and her buddies can do is hurl insults which have no basis in fact.

    It is typical of this group's behaviour - even when discussing the Ramsey case. They cannot simply debate a point without attacking the poster and challenging his/her motives for making the post. It gets very wearing. On three separate occasions, one of them accused me of something or other and I asked them to back it up - show me where I said that. Despite repeated requests, they couldn't. They are opportunists. The accuse and hope that people will believe it without needing to see the evidence.

    A bit like the tabloids really
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    Oh My!

    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...63SUQKF7QF/p12

    I think it's time for us all to pack up and go home

    (how can they do that?)
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    The same coward from Arizona posted this:-

    JLs do you think by saving posts as proof of whatever you are trying to prove puts you in a good light?
    That depends on whether truth, accuracy, honesty and integrity are important to you. I could just hurl insults like you with nothing to back them up. Would that put me in a good light?


    Who the hell saves posts from a damn board?
    Lots of people - ask Tipper #grin#

    You are an extremely miserable, unhappy person of that I am sure. You need a grip on reality.
    I rest my case - when a person resorts to name-calling without offering anything to back up their case, it says it all

    Anonymous from Arizona - don't you post the proof of all that you "watched unfold". I'd love you to - but I suspect you won't because IMO all you are capable of is name-calling.

    Athena may well be a nice person and I'm sure she has a lovely family but that doesn't excuse poison pen posts.
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    Jayelles, the poster with multiple hats attacking you at topix from "all over the world" is actually posting "both sides of the fence", if you notice. Remind you of anyone?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
    FF: WRKJB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Jayelles, the poster with multiple hats attacking you at topix from "all over the world" is actually posting "both sides of the fence", if you notice. Remind you of anyone?
    I think I'm begining to see what's going on KK. I learned something today from an unexpected source ;-) Seriously - you couldn't make it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    I think I'm begining to see what's going on KK. I learned something today from an unexpected source ;-) Seriously - you couldn't make it up!
    Who? I read the link you posted that is totally off the wall crazy. Only one that crazy is Shill. But he is not using a back up hat on Topix. He was posting from his own most commonly used hat. He uses other hats to get to WS but generally his Shill hat on Topix at least that was what he was using to attack me.

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    As I posted above, a NEW troll appeared at Topix to "fight Athena's corner.

    Note the location:-

    Outside looking in
    Phoenix,
    AZ
    Once again, an anonymous hat (as in not the usual, recognisable hat).

    However, we know that Athena is located in New York and that she uses anonymous proxies which will make her location show up as either "Anonymous Proxy" or just "United States" but this was a specific location and to all intents and purposes, tends to point away from Athena.

    But at the back of my mind, I remembered a post which struck me as odd at the time and this was it:-

    Observer
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    In case you have not noticed, Topix has terms and conditions you all have agreed to. This thread will be deleted when business resumes on Monday.

    Please stop opening these threads.
    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...463SUQKF7QF/p2

    I thought it was odd, because it sounded "Authoritative" - like a Mod, yet it clearly wasn't a Topix mod because it wasn't even a registered member.

    Then I remembered another couple of posts...

    Observer
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    Solange
    J has written on this site that a money order was placed and an American Girl doll sent to John Ramsey's office. I believe she said that the doll was ordered

    shortly after JB's death - within the same week, I believe.
    Thank U lucyd. I just read at the link she gave. Did Jaz work for the company? How does she know (or Jaz if you read this) that a doll was delivered to

    Access? And if a money order it could have been from anyone right? What was the purpose of getting a duplicate doll? Is it possible the killer sent it as
    some wierd clue?
    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...448UBBHBIB3/p8

    Followed by:-

    Solange
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    I just want to let you know that I used Observer above which was a mistake. I use that name on another board I post on at Topix and forgot to change it.

    Another question lucyd: Has this been published anywhere other than by jaz? How does she know (or jaz can answer) this is even true? I have not followed this

    case the past couple of years but I do not remember anything about a doll being delivered to Access?
    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...448UBBHBIB3/p8

    So Solange, United States admits to being Observer... and there are posts by an Observer with the location of Phoenix, Arizona!!

    But there is more...

    As KK and others have noticed, there have been numerous trollish posts over the past couple of weeks by different nics with the locations of "United States" and of "Phoenix, Arizona". The poster I refer to above "Outside Looking In" is just one of these. Can these posts be linked to Athena at all?

    What about this:-

    Outside Looking in
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    IF Athena has resorted to anything that is out of her character it is because JLs has been on her case ever since she had been named Mod at 320. I watched

    the entire thing unfold and JLs has proven the title of snake that Athena named her. Athena hold your head up high for you have nothing to be ashamed of and

    it is clear what JLs has tried to do and continues to do. I know Athena has never turned on her friends and she owes you nothing.

    JLs do you think by saving posts as proof of whatever you are trying to prove puts you in a good light? You are only impressing your JBR buddies because outside of the JBR board no one gives a hill of beans what the hell you think. Athena does not only post at 320 and she does not just only post on JBR. A lot

    of people know Athena and a few of us have actually met her and her family in person. Who the hell saves posts from a damn board? You are an extremely

    miserable, unhappy person of that I am sure. You need a grip on reality.

    Continue your little stupid games. I was surprised to find out you are an alleged teacher. For some reason I thought you were a taylor.
    OK, I've emboldened two statements above and will take these one at a time:-

    Hill of Beans
    Not a phrase I've seen a lot of and I did a couple of quick searches of the forums to see if they were common. The answer was no. There were 11 examples of the phrase at Sycamore. 3 were by..... :-

    Athena>>

    IMO any conflicting answers given in Patsy's and JR's interviews were minor and didn't make a hill beans of difference in what the outcome was in this case. I have yet to find a major flaw in their interviews that has affected this case positive or negative.

    Post #6
    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...beans#post2632
    and:-

    Athena>>

    LOL -- I talk like this all the time but it doesn't come out in my writing. I tend to tone it down in written words because they can be proofread and changed. This seriously just does not mean a hill of beans IMO.

    Post #261
    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...eans#post73122
    and:-

    Athena>>

    Turvey even goes as far as to say if those fibers were there they could have been innocently transferred since JR came into contact with the large underwear. (I personally don't think there is an innocent explanation and if those fibers were John it would be enough evidence for me to believe he were guilty). But Murphy did not even understand what Turvey was saying - she kept going on and on about the underwear being new which doesn't have a hill of beans to do with fiber transfer since JBR WAS wearing them and we have no proof that those underwear had not been on her before the crime.

    Post #433
    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...eans#post74583
    One of the others was quoting Athena's post and the rest were from posters on other forums (i.e. not JBR posters).

    Now for the second point:-

    For some reason I thought you were a taylor

    Daffodil pointed out that taylor was spelled incorrectly and that it is tailor. Certainly that was an understandable first impression to take from it. I had also thought this was a jab at my hobby which is sewing although I'd hardly describe myself as a tailor!

    However, later on, as the cogs of my mind churned on at their usual slow speed, I remembered something from months back. When Sycamore first opened I didn't join because I was sick and tired of having my motives and POV challenged when all I wanted to do was debate and discuss. I made this point and added that if I did join, I thought I might change my hat because I felt that some posters only saw the hat and not the post. I also wondered whether the discussion would benefit from NO hats showing - perhaps visible only to the Mods so that each post would be taken on its own merit and not according to who had made it.

    I did consider changing my hat. I said so on the forum and also told a few people privately that I was seriously considering it. One person in particular was VERY keen for me to let her know what my new hat would be if I changed it LOL I also admitted that I had once done an experiment where I reposted an old post of mine under a different hat to see if the different hat would make a difference. I deliberately sought out a post I'd made a couple of years previously which had been attacked by several IDIs and reposted it under a fairly innocuous alter. Surprise, surprise, it was welcomed, not attacked. So this basically proved my theory. What I didn't say was which forum I'd done this on or when. Some ASSumed it was Sycamore but it wasn't. In the end, I decided not to make the change for the simple reason that I couldn't be bothered having to get used to it. I would have felt as though I was deceiving people that I'd been posting with for years.

    But I digress... As I said, some ASSumed that I had joined Sycamore with a different hat and it came as something of a surprise to me when Evening2 posted this back in February. (This would be the SAME Evening2 who got banned from CL and who was instrumental in getting the JBR board at Sycamore closed for several days!):-

    This was posted at CL and I copied it to FFJ. It no longer exists at CL although it still shows in a Google search:-

    http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showp...&postcount=320
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...8&postcount=50

    No, Jayelles, I won't address this at 320Sycamore. I'll address it right her and now in hopes that any interested parties will come here to read rather than even bother to give you the time of day at 320Sycamore, because the people there have worked very hard to keep the likes of you from lowering the standards there, and I will do my very BEST to uphold those standards, in SPITE of you. BTW, you little test over there in which you initially posted under a different "hat" didn't work. We didn't like you then either, and you haven't even been missed.
    So some poor soul got ostracised JUST because they though he/she was me! I wondered who this could be and I looked back at some of the posts at Sycamore rouynd about that time and found this person:-

    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...6680#post16680

    and the forum hat was.... "taylor". I guess taylor was doomed from the moment that I said he/she had offered an interesting suggestion!

    Incidentally, I suspect that if he is from the UK (and I don't know that for sure) then "taylor" might be Drew from Topix because I recall that Drew made a post saying that he's joined Sycamore and found it unfriendly:-)

    (sorry Drew)
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    Who the hell saves posts from a damn board?
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    Lots of people - ask Tipper #grin#
    LOL - good retort; Jayellles!
    Sweet Zoey and dear Athena have quite a number of posts from other boards archived too.
    You are an extremely miserable, unhappy person of that I am sure. You need a grip on reality.
    [Jayelles]:
    I rest my case - when a person resorts to name-calling without offering anything to back up their case, it says it all
    Indeed it does. Verbal rage attacks prove that this poster is in a corner. It indicates defeat, and shows the rage over the defeat.
    This almost feels like in the last pages of an A. Christie whodunit where the villains hurl their insults at Poirot because he umasked them as the offenders.
    Oh boy, how Athena & pals have got their back up against the wall!!

    Keep pushing, Jayelles. Don't let them out of the hole they have dug for themselves.
    [Jayelles]:
    Athena may well be a nice person and I'm sure she has a lovely family but that doesn't excuse poison pen posts.
    Athena may have forgotten about it, but I haven't, since the JBR discussion is about a possible rage attack at the origin of it all, so what she wrote sticks in my mind - she said that she once got so furious during a family dispute that she either lifted (or even threw over) a very heavy table she thought she never would have been able to move at all.

    Now isn't that a classic illustration that flying off the handle can happen to anyone, Athena? If it happened to you, then why could it not have happened to Patsy Ramsey also?
    I wonder what poster 'Solange''s take on this is. Should 'Solange' ever show up at Topix again , I think I'll ask her if she can dig out that post by Athena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    As I posted above, a NEW troll appeared at Topix to "fight Athena's corner.

    Note the location:-



    Once again, an anonymous hat (as in not the usual, recognisable hat).

    However, we know that Athena is located in New York and that she uses anonymous proxies which will make her location show up as either "Anonymous Proxy" or just "United States" but this was a specific location and to all intents and purposes, tends to point away from Athena.

    But at the back of my mind, I remembered a post which struck me as odd at the time and this was it:-



    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...463SUQKF7QF/p2

    I thought it was odd, because it sounded "Authoritative" - like a Mod, yet it clearly wasn't a Topix mod because it wasn't even a registered member.

    Then I remembered another couple of posts...



    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...448UBBHBIB3/p8

    Followed by:-



    http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonb...448UBBHBIB3/p8

    So Solange, United States admits to being Observer... and there are posts by an Observer with the location of Phoenix, Arizona!!

    But there is more...

    As KK and others have noticed, there have been numerous trollish posts over the past couple of weeks by different nics with the locations of "United States" and of "Phoenix, Arizona". The poster I refer to above "Outside Looking In" is just one of these. Can these posts be linked to Athena at all?

    What about this:-



    OK, I've emboldened two statements above and will take these one at a time:-

    Hill of Beans
    Not a phrase I've seen a lot of and I did a couple of quick searches of the forums to see if they were common. The answer was no. There were 11 examples of the phrase at Sycamore. 3 were by..... :-



    and:-



    and:-



    One of the others was quoting Athena's post and the rest were from posters on other forums (i.e. not JBR posters).

    Now for the second point:-

    For some reason I thought you were a taylor

    Daffodil pointed out that taylor was spelled incorrectly and that it is tailor. Certainly that was an understandable first impression to take from it. I had also thought this was a jab at my hobby which is sewing although I'd hardly describe myself as a tailor!

    However, later on, as the cogs of my mind churned on at their usual slow speed, I remembered something from months back. When Sycamore first opened I didn't join because I was sick and tired of having my motives and POV challenged when all I wanted to do was debate and discuss. I made this point and added that if I did join, I thought I might change my hat because I felt that some posters only saw the hat and not the post. I also wondered whether the discussion would benefit from NO hats showing - perhaps visible only to the Mods so that each post would be taken on its own merit and not according to who had made it.

    I did consider changing my hat. I said so on the forum and also told a few people privately that I was seriously considering it. One person in particular was VERY keen for me to let her know what my new hat would be if I changed it LOL I also admitted that I had once done an experiment where I reposted an old post of mine under a different hat to see if the different hat would make a difference. I deliberately sought out a post I'd made a couple of years previously which had been attacked by several IDIs and reposted it under a fairly innocuous alter. Surprise, surprise, it was welcomed, not attacked. So this basically proved my theory. What I didn't say was which forum I'd done this on or when. Some ASSumed it was Sycamore but it wasn't. In the end, I decided not to make the change for the simple reason that I couldn't be bothered having to get used to it. I would have felt as though I was deceiving people that I'd been posting with for years.

    But I digress... As I said, some ASSumed that I had joined Sycamore with a different hat and it came as something of a surprise to me when Evening2 posted this back in February. (This would be the SAME Evening2 who got banned from CL and who was instrumental in getting the JBR board at Sycamore closed for several days!):-

    This was posted at CL and I copied it to FFJ. It no longer exists at CL although it still shows in a Google search:-

    http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showp...&postcount=320
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...8&postcount=50



    So some poor soul got ostracised JUST because they though he/she was me! I wondered who this could be and I looked back at some of the posts at Sycamore rouynd about that time and found this person:-

    http://www.boards.320sycamore.com/sh...6680#post16680

    and the forum hat was.... "taylor". I guess taylor was doomed from the moment that I said he/she had offered an interesting suggestion!

    Incidentally, I suspect that if he is from the UK (and I don't know that for sure) then "taylor" might be Drew from Topix because I recall that Drew made a post saying that he's joined Sycamore and found it unfriendly:-)

    (sorry Drew)
    Well well well my hat is off to you I would not have even thought how to do all you accomplished. I have concluded that Solange's saying that she wished me well but it would be better if I just stayed off the forum was not a thoughtful deed on her part. You cannot take raw material and make silk purse out of a sows ear. Some people are just pigs. Sorry that your going through all this because you tried to raise the forum to a higher level over there. We are behind you all the way.



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