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    PITTSBURGH TRIB p.m.

    Doll house helps criminal justice students learn
    By Jodi Weigand
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Wednesday, November 12, 2008

    You probably wouldn't want to have a tea party in the doll house unveiled yesterday at Point Park University.

    But the 3-foot replica of the house where Lizzie Borden is said to have axed her father and stepmother in 1892 is perfect for Point Park criminal justice students.

    "It's a great tool to teach forensic students about fingerprints, shoe prints, blood spatter, DNA evidence and where you would look for evidence at a crime scene," said Steven Koehler, an associate professor in the criminal justice department. "What kind of evidence would (the perpetrator) deposit? If you hit someone with an ax 40 times, where would the blood spatter be on the walls and on the ceiling?"

    The house, unveiled yesterday, is a true-to-scale version of the two-story Borden house in Fall River, Mass.

    Borden was considered guilty, but she was acquitted, thanks to a lack of evidence. The murder remains unsolved.

    It's the coldest of cold cases -- and an ideal teaching tool, Koehler said.

    In two furnished rooms -- one on the first floor, another on the second -- bloody figurines represent the victims. Blood soon will be spattered on the walls for a finishing touch.

    The house has removable floors, allowing students to freely investigate.

    Art Institute of Pittsburgh students James Hudak and David Presnell, both 28, made the house for Point Park in conjunction with their miniature movie sets course. The house will be used in criminology classes as early as January.

    "We hope it, as a tool, helps solve some crimes in the future," Hudak said. "It would be great to have a hand in that."

    Presnell said they used computer-design software to lay out the house and a computer-guided saw to cut the pieces. They used photos and court records to lay out the crime scenes.

    "It's a lot easier to see it in person than just reading it in a book," said Point Park student Kim Sharp, 20.

    Koehler said they're hoping to add several more projects for forensic investigation at Point Park.

    They're planning to recreate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy to help professors teach ballistics. They're also hoping to build a replica of the Boulder, Colo., home where JonBenet Ramsey died to teach students how to properly secure a crime scene, Koehler said.

    Jodi Weigand can be reached at jweigand@tribweb.com or 412-380-5609.

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    That's a very interesting article.

    Wish they had had courses like that back when I went to college.

    Of course, way back then, women were not employed by any law enforcement authority, except maybe as secretaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkerXIV View Post
    That's a very interesting article.

    Wish they had had courses like that back when I went to college.

    Of course, way back then, women were not employed by any law enforcement authority, except maybe as secretaries.
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    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little View Post
    PITTSBURGH TRIB p.m.

    Doll house helps criminal justice students learn
    By Jodi Weigand
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Wednesday, November 12, 2008

    You probably wouldn't want to have a tea party in the doll house unveiled yesterday at Point Park University.

    But the 3-foot replica of the house where Lizzie Borden is said to have axed her father and stepmother in 1892 is perfect for Point Park criminal justice students.

    "It's a great tool to teach forensic students about fingerprints, shoe prints, blood spatter, DNA evidence and where you would look for evidence at a crime scene," said Steven Koehler, an associate professor in the criminal justice department. "What kind of evidence would (the perpetrator) deposit? If you hit someone with an ax 40 times, where would the blood spatter be on the walls and on the ceiling?"

    The house, unveiled yesterday, is a true-to-scale version of the two-story Borden house in Fall River, Mass.

    Borden was considered guilty, but she was acquitted, thanks to a lack of evidence. The murder remains unsolved.

    It's the coldest of cold cases -- and an ideal teaching tool, Koehler said.

    In two furnished rooms -- one on the first floor, another on the second -- bloody figurines represent the victims. Blood soon will be spattered on the walls for a finishing touch.

    The house has removable floors, allowing students to freely investigate.

    Art Institute of Pittsburgh students James Hudak and David Presnell, both 28, made the house for Point Park in conjunction with their miniature movie sets course. The house will be used in criminology classes as early as January.

    "We hope it, as a tool, helps solve some crimes in the future," Hudak said. "It would be great to have a hand in that."

    Presnell said they used computer-design software to lay out the house and a computer-guided saw to cut the pieces. They used photos and court records to lay out the crime scenes.

    "It's a lot easier to see it in person than just reading it in a book," said Point Park student Kim Sharp, 20.

    Koehler said they're hoping to add several more projects for forensic investigation at Point Park.

    They're planning to recreate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy to help professors teach ballistics. They're also hoping to build a replica of the Boulder, Colo., home where JonBenet Ramsey died to teach students how to properly secure a crime scene, Koehler said.

    Jodi Weigand can be reached at jweigand@tribweb.com or 412-380-5609.

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    Ewwww.......the HoneyMoon Hotel that Sue Bennett chose as her place to spend her special night.......toooooo bad that JonBenet didn't take an ax and give her Mother........
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Thanks, Little, and hello Lurker.

    Now, when they design this Ramsey "doll house," I would suggest that they create a small replica of a woman (the incomparable CAP) that one could wind up and let roam about, from room to room, secreting evidence in her large suit case, while the little police figurines were standing by, oblivious to her blatant felonious behavior. Only then, would it present the slighest semblance of credence needed to study this convoluted case. lol

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    Good idea, Greenleaf! Maybe some day there will be murder scenes recreated with real life-sized holographs (?).

    Thank you for posting this interesting article, Little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenleaf View Post
    Thanks, Little, and hello Lurker.

    Now, when they design this Ramsey "doll house," I would suggest that they create a small replica of a woman (the incomparable CAP) that one could wind up and let roam about, from room to room, secreting evidence in her large suit case, while the little police figurines were standing by, oblivious to her blatant felonious behavior. Only then, would it present the slighest semblance of credence needed to study this convoluted case. lol

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!! I LOVE this Greenie!
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    Thanks for bringing this here, Little. Very interesting.

    Good point, Greenleaf, about Pam hauling evidence out by the trunkful, with the "blessings" of Boulder LE, no less! I just WISH I could be a fly on the wall in that course when the professor has to explain this.

    "So, dear student in whose hands cases will be made and broken, remember it's probably NOT a good idea to allow relatives to wander around raiding the home of a plethora of evidence under the guise of looking for underwear for the prime suspect...when underwear is actually one of the most important pieces of evidence in the case."

    Maybe they'll take the Ramsey home model to the BPD and BDA and train THEM in crime scene investigation. There's a thought!

    [Lurker, I picked the female icon as professor just for you!]

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenleaf View Post
    Thanks, Little, and hello Lurker.

    Now, when they design this Ramsey "doll house," I would suggest that they create a small replica of a woman (the incomparable CAP) that one could wind up and let roam about, from room to room, secreting evidence in her large suit case, while the little police figurines were standing by, oblivious to her blatant felonious behavior. Only then, would it present the slighest semblance of credence needed to study this convoluted case. lol

    gl Edited to add: Hello, to my pal, River Rat.
    hahahahaaaa.....funny!

    We can donate a tiny Lou Smit faced slinky....Lou Slink can go through the basement window without distrubing the dust, leaves and those annoying packing peanuts. Should we put a little tiny pair of underwear on the slinky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenleaf View Post
    Thanks, Little, and hello Lurker.

    Now, when they design this Ramsey "doll house," I would suggest that they create a small replica of a woman (the incomparable CAP) that one could wind up and let roam about, from room to room, secreting evidence in her large suit case, while the little police figurines were standing by, oblivious to her blatant felonious behavior. Only then, would it present the slighest semblance of credence needed to study this convoluted case. lol

    gl Edited to add: Hello, to my pal, River Rat.
    Your Pal here absolutely agrees!
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat View Post
    Your Pal here absolutely agrees!
    Yes, you too can get your very own CAP wind-up action figure, just in time for Christmas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Me View Post
    hahahahaaaa.....funny!

    We can donate a tiny Lou Smit faced slinky....Lou Slink can go through the basement window without distrubing the dust, leaves and those annoying packing peanuts. Should we put a little tiny pair of underwear on the slinky?

    How about a minature, "to scale" pair of children's size 12, Bloomies "Day of the Week" underwear?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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