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    Oh, here are two other photos of the beds, crime scene photos, and this one is number three, as you can see, so maybe the second one is number 4, though we can't see any identification on it:





    These are all from ACR's site, and thanks so much, ACR, you are a saint and we all know it. I just wish ACR was here to discuss this, because she once did an exhaustive study of these photos and compared them to the interview transcripts, so she might be able to tell us what is what.

    http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/04...yshow-pic3.htm

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    Here are a couple of photos of JB's bedroom after the Ramseys moved out. You can see that the windows were down that one side, beside the second twin bed, the one JB didn't sleep in. (I'm just going to post the link to ACR's page, because I hate to drain her bandwidth by posting so many of the pics here. It has cost her a lot of money through the years to keep her voluminous resources up, and in fact, she's had to take some down it has gotten so expensive as the events have kept on coming for so long. So thanks to ALL who contribute to help her keep what she does. Tricia and Colorado Babe have helped a great deal, just FYI, and thanks to those angels!)

    http://hellhole_photos.tripod.com/jbrbedroom.htm

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I can't be sure but it appears the material that tied back the curtains over the bed JBR slept in is missing from the left side of the bed as you face it. The one on the right can clearly be seen. If the one on the left is really missing then it stands to reason that when a door is mentioned it could actually mean that it is hanging on a door somewhere. They did say in the interview that they thought the pictures through #5 were the only ones that showed the bed. It is significant that PR mentioned she didn't see any blood there.

    I do remember reading that one of the curtains was in disarray so that could be why - it was no longer tied back.

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    Bump for discussion on another thread.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
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    Are we not supposed to discuss this on this thread? As usual I'm confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Are we not supposed to discuss this on this thread? As usual I'm confused.
    I think KK bumped this thread up for reference BECAUSE of discussion on another thread! You are welcome to discuss anything on any thread.
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    Well thank you very much Moab. I hope you have a wonderful Sunday!

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    This thread is amazing! I cannot believe for the life of me that ANYONE, especially someone in law enforcement, would have let Patsy make a statement about not seeing blood on a curtain tie-back without a remark, without honing in on that. I watch "The First 48" on A&E a LOT, and those detectives always grind away at their suspect(s), and there are other detectives watching from outside the room on closed-circuit video, and watching for signs, statements, etc. that they can use in the interrogation process.

    I guess everyone in Boulder had pretty much already decided that Patsy and John were innocent, and gave them a pass on anything they said and did. Patsy made SO many mistakes during the interviews (they weren't interrogations) and yet Haney NEVER caught any of it. He wasn't listening to her as a SUSPECT, but as a WITNESS. That's the difference. He was questioning her as if she had material information to HELP the investigation, not as if she were part of the suspect list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    I guess everyone in Boulder had pretty much already decided that Patsy and John were innocent, and gave them a pass on anything they said and did. Patsy made SO many mistakes during the interviews (they weren't interrogations) and yet Haney NEVER caught any of it. He wasn't listening to her as a SUSPECT, but as a WITNESS. That's the difference. He was questioning her as if she had material information to HELP the investigation, not as if she were part of the suspect list.

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    I think LE had already decided the exact opposite, heymom. I think they were sure the Ramseys did it, but they knew it was all over by '98 and the DA interviews were really only to appease the governor, who was taking a drubbing from the public and had called a group of "advisors" together--other lawyers and DAs--to tell him how to handle this "done deal" publicly. So the governor told Hunter to hire a "special prosecutor" and call a grand jury, or he'd take the case away from Boulder. This is all documented.

    The upshot was Hunter went back to his office and hired Michael Kane, who said call the Ramsey lawyers and tell them they either consent to interviews or they'll talk to a grand jury. I'm not sure what happened between the Ramsey '98 DA interviews and the grand jury actually being called, as no one has talked, but my guess is Michael Kane had something to do with the grand jury finally being sworn in.

    After the '98 interviews, Hunter also took Lacy and DeMuth off the case. Smit knew he was going soon as well, when he was told he wouldn't appear before the grand jury with his "intruder" theory--Smit said that recently in an interview that was online with a Co. media org. So Lacy and DeMuth got huge chips on their shoulder--Lacy has proven that with her Ramsey-lovefest for 8 years, devoted to proving "LACY WAS RIGHT!" DeMuth has appeared in every news report and TV croc he could get his face in, denouncing the RDI/BPD, as well. Smit took another route...sort of: he copied Thomas and sent his own "resignation letter" to Hunter and the public. Then Smit stole the PowerPoint slide show he made, work product for Hunter copied from case evidence while Smit being paid by the citizens of Boulder County. He also took copies of the videotapes of the LE interviews, and then blackmailed Hunter to let Smit keep copies of the PowerPoint and videos, as well as present his "intruder dog and pony show" to the grand jury anyway. Once the grand jury was finished and Hunter announced no idictments, Smit was free to go on a personal "Free John and Patsy" media tour with the PowerPoint, videotapes (yeah, those jams SOLD to the tabs for $40K), and whatever else he managed to get from Hunter, with Smit's signed contract to keep quiet about Hunter's little "secrets".

    But before Smit's pro-Ramsey tour, the grand jury was called for a year as an investigative body. We don't know what they saw nor thought, because, IMO, Hunter knew before going in that he was never going to indict the Ramseys. He was following orders to even hold a grand jury on this murder, I believe. I don't think for one minute Hunter meant to indict, because he never called the Ramseys, who would have to have either answered questions without their lawyers present OR to PLEAD THE FIFTH.

    Think about that.

    Getting the Ramseys under oath to commit to ONE STORY, to answer those very FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, heymom, with NO LAWYERS TO CUE THEM OR INTERRUPT FOR THEM, OR TO PLEAD THE FIFTH.

    And Hunter never called them, using the Co. law (at that time) that grand jury witnesses got to see their prior statements as an excuse. Does ANYONE believe the Ramseys hadn't ALREADY seen every piece of evidence in this case, COMPLIMENTS OF HUNTER AND SMIT?

    Oh, well. I went off on this, didn't I? Sorry. I will believe to the day I die that Hunter was in on this cover up all along. Why else REFUSE to get a subpoena for PHONE RECORDS for the family of a child murdered IN HER OWN HOME with ONLY the family present and NO EVIDENCE OF AN INTRUDER--and that's INARGUABLE ON DAY ONE?

    What I want to know is if the GRAND JURY asked for those phone records? Not that they would have helped by that time, as they were already wiped when the Ramseys handed over one month a year later. But what about those the few months BEFORE AND AFTER? That certainly would have cleared up if that ONE CELL PHONE WAS ACTIVE AFTER DEC.

    Oh my god, it makes me furious!!! Those phone records could have solved this case! How does Team Ramsey know that the intruder didn't FIND THAT LOST PHONE?! Either way, NO EXCUSE! ARRRRGH!!
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  10. #46

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    Hi all. Don't want to take this thread off base. Just a quick question about those photos..? Those numbered photos, what are the sequence of the ones that we know about? Is there a #1? And then on to 2, 3, 4, 5.. I'd like to see the series in order of the ones that were numbered, as well as all the 'crime scene photo' stamped one... but especially those that were numbered in some kind of order.. is there a thread here discussing the sequence of those photos? Thanks.....

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    .. I agree too.. I believe Hunter knew from the get-go very soon after this child died (and probably before she was found) that 'something' had happened and agreed to bury this case.

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    I think that Hunter got the word from Day 1- what was it now.."treat these people like VICTIMS, not like suspects". Remember the December cell phone records? NO calls made? Who doesn't use a cell phone for a month? Hunter also refused to order the school nurse records and her pediatrician's records to be turned over to LE. Can you imagine? A dead child- and LE can't see her medical records! That alone should scream parental involvement.
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