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    What I want to know is - how far did this go up? Who ordered Hunter to do these things, or was it his idea from the start? How far up the chain do we have to look?

    We'll never know who John Ramsey called that night/early morning, will we? If we only had the phone records, we'd know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    What I want to know is - how far did this go up? Who ordered Hunter to do these things, or was it his idea from the start? How far up the chain do we have to look?

    We'll never know who John Ramsey called that night/early morning, will we? If we only had the phone records, we'd know.
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    LE didn't know there was any blood associated with this case in the beginning. Her head wound didn't even bleed. At autopsy Meyer found both, the head wound and cleaned up smeared blood on her legs. Also on her panties. In questioning Patsy I think they were trying to find the location of where she bled. That would have been helpful in their investigation so they would know where in the house to go back and possibly find the death scene. IIRC they still don't know where exactly she was killed. I read they think it might have been in the basement on the carpet just outside the room since she had those carpet fibers on her face and duct tape. Also her urine was found there. In this particular questioning of Patsy i think they were trying to locate the spot she bled, HENCE, where she actually died. Jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong 'cuz I'm fighting a killer sinus infection and medication is making me foggy. All this questioning of the nosebleeds in her bed has got me stumped but I guess they actually thought her mother would have wanted to be helpful in clearing that up. If only they knew then what they know now.

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    It is a puzzle. The blood accumulating under her scalp was probably represented by the "tan" mucous on her cheek and in her nose. Not much more than that seeped out. But on her thighs and pubic area- that's requires a bit more explaining. If she was alive and standing, she could have been in the bathroom, where evidence would have been easily cleaned up from the floor or tub- but then why not just wash her? Then there would be no blood and no fibers, so we know that didn't happen that way. AND if her urine was rage-inducing accident
    If she was lying down, she was likely dead, dying, or unconscious. If it was trickles of blood, a relatively small amount, then it is possible that none dripped onto whatever she was lying on (floor, blanket, etc). If it was more than that, there would have to be something else that got bloodied that hasn't been found. More evidence removed by Aunt P?
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    During questioning of Patsy about this, the interrogators used the word "stain". It's only later that one of them--DeMuth?--asks about the nosebleeds in relation to the stain. So that leads me to question if the "stain" was more like the "tan-colored mucous" found on her face. Remember it also dripped onto her upper sleeve of her shirt, Thomas wrote.

    If the "stain" in fact contained blood, and it was in fact JB's blood, which surely they tested for that, then how did it get there? That's what the question asked of Patsy is probing for: when was JB "bleeding" on her pillowcase?

    In a normal situation, it could be the loss of a tooth at her age. Did Dr. Meyers say more about her teeth than "normal" or whatever? Were there any missing?

    No nosebleeds, Patsy said. But JonBenet "picked" her nose until it bled? I DON'T THINK SO, YOU LYING MOTHER OF A MURDERED CHILD:

    15 TRIP DEMUTH: Did JonBenet ever have nose

    16 bleeds at night?

    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Not that I remember.

    18 Sometimes she might pick her nose, maybe cause it to

    19 bleed, but she wouldn't have one of those, you know,

    20 dry, you know, to hold her head back kind of thing.
    So how is that blood found on that pillowcase? Children don't just bleed here and there for no reason.

    Of course, there are two reasons which could be related to her death and the findings at autopsy: blood from being molested; blood from the head injury. If EITHER of these is the source, then at least part of what happened to JonBenet on Dec. 25th happened in her room, on her pillow, likely on her bed.

    That's the question here. Wonder if LAZY ever thought to find the answers to THAT DNA EVIDENCE?

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    Didn't JR say he went into her room that morning and checked her bed, under the bed and the bathroom? I think that was in the interviews and in DOI. If he saw blood in the bed I would think he would have had Patsy change the sheets, if he was involved in the coverup. Wait a minute. Didn't LHP say the sheets were changed? But nobody knows exactly when that happened. The fact that Patsy said she didn't see any blood there just makes me think there was originally blood there and she knew it and was pointing that out. Maybe those sheets were changed Christmas night because of blood, not urine?But then again she would have had to place the pajama top back on the bed and put everything the way it shows in the crime scene photo. I dunno. I'm just throwing ideas out here while I'm trying to watch the football game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Didn't JR say he went into her room that morning and checked her bed, under the bed and the bathroom? I think that was in the interviews and in DOI. If he saw blood in the bed I would think he would have had Patsy change the sheets, if he was involved in the coverup. Wait a minute. Didn't LHP say the sheets were changed? But nobody knows exactly when that happened. The fact that Patsy said she didn't see any blood there just makes me think there was originally blood there and she knew it and was pointing that out. Maybe those sheets were changed Christmas night because of blood, not urine?But then again she would have had to place the pajama top back on the bed and put everything the way it shows in the crime scene photo. I dunno. I'm just throwing ideas out here while I'm trying to watch the football game.

    Yeah, the sheets were said to have been changed. Let me look that up again.

    Okay, here is a long passage, already quoted here, but just to clarify the "washing the sheets" issue:

    18 TOM HANEY: That I couldn't tell you right at

    19 this moment. Do you remember any staining on that

    20 pillow the night you put her to bed?

    21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was dark in there, you

    22 know.

    23 TOM HANEY: When you put her to bed did you

    24 turn on any lights that night, Christmas night.

    25 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't think so. Maybe. I

    0426

    1 can't remember. I remember dressing her, her pajamas

    2 pants on her. It was dark. I didn't turn on the

    3 bright lights because I didn't want to wake her up.

    4 TOM HANEY: But back up. John had carried

    5 her up and put her on the bed, and then you took it

    6 from there?

    7 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

    8 TOM HANEY: But you never turned on the

    9 light?

    10 PATSY RAMSEY: I probably turned one on in

    11 the bathroom looking for the pajamas. I would have

    12 been in there.

    13 TOM HANEY: How about this pillow, when is

    14 the last time in the daytime would you have some time

    15 on Christmas day gone in there to put away Christmas

    16 presents, to do anything?

    17 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember.

    18 TOM HANEY: How often would say the pillow

    19 case would be changed?

    20 PATSY RAMSEY: At least once a week.

    21 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about the rest of the

    22 day, the bottom tucked in sheets.

    23 PATSY RAMSEY: At least once a week.

    24 TOM HANEY: Was there a particular day of the

    25 week that --

    0427

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember.

    2 TOM HANEY: Okay. I mean, some folks are

    3 pretty much on a schedule.

    4 PATSY RAMSEY: I'm pretty laid back.

    5 TOM HANEY: How about Linda?

    6 PATSY RAMSEY: I know she did it once a week.

    7 I don't know what day she did it.

    8 TOM HANEY: So this particular sheet could be

    9 on its last day of the seven or -- the holiday it could

    10 be --

    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Longer.

    12 TOM HANEY: Was she expected to come in that

    13 day?

    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    15 TOM HANEY: 26th.

    16 PATSY RAMSEY: She was supposed to come in.

    17 She was going to come on Friday. Wednesday was

    18 Christmas, so she was off on Christmas. She came

    19 Monday, Wednesday and Friday. She was there Monday

    20 because she helped me get ready for the party.

    21 TOM HANEY: When you were getting ready for

    22 the party did she do the laundry?

    23 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. We were getting

    24 ready for the party, you know.

    25 TOM HANEY: Right.

    0428

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Downstairs. She didn't come

    2 Wednesday because it was Christmas. She was going to

    3 come Friday after we had gone, and I left her a check

    4 because she (inaudible) cried she wanted money.

    5 TOM HANEY: But if she comes Monday,

    6 Wednesday and Friday, and obviously doesn't come

    7 because of Christmas on Wednesday, we have the sheets

    8 on at a minimum, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, so three

    9 days.

    10 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably.

    11 TOM HANEY: The maximum number going back.

    12 PATSY RAMSEY: Maybe the next Friday.

    13 TOM HANEY: Or last Wednesday.

    14 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.


    15 TRIP DEMUTH: Did JonBenet ever have nose

    16 bleeds at night?

    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Not that I remember.

    18 Sometimes she might pick her nose, maybe cause it to

    19 bleed, but she wouldn't have one of those, you know,

    20 dry, you know, to hold her head back kind of thing.

    21 TOM HANEY: How are we doing?

    22 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know about you, but I

    23 am exhausted.
    There is also extensive questioning about the "blanket" on the bed, mentioning specifically that the bedclothes at the foot of the bed do not look as if the "blanket" had been torn out from the rest of the bedclothes. Patsy agrees. Then goes into her "amnesia" act, because that blanket they're fishing about ended up wrapped "papoose-like" around the body of JonBenet in the basement.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    In this section about the pillowcase and sheets, I also found this. Notice Haney is pointing out MARKERS in JB's drawer. In other drawers, as well.

    Is this the marker used on JB's hand to draw the heart? Did LE test that?

    And notice that Patsy had other writing pads like the one the ransom note was written on in her dressing area:

    2 TOM HANEY: I think, if we could check the

    3 notes where we left off yesterday, 273, four, five and

    4 six. We talked about the stains on the pillow.

    5 Next is 277. Can you describe that? Tell us

    6 what that is.

    7 PATSY RAMSEY: It looks like her underwear

    8 drawer,
    one of the drawers there in the bathroom

    9 cabinet.

    10 TOM HANEY: What is in there?

    11 PATSY RAMSEY: It looks like underwear, a

    12 hair band or something, and a pencil, a pen, a pen back

    13 there. (Inaudible). A magic marker or something.
    I

    14 don't know why that would be in there, but --

    15 TOM HANEY: And in the normal course there at

    16 home would just underwear be in there or would other

    17 items be in there, too.

    18 PATSY RAMSEY: Primarily underwear, but

    19 she -- often times things would be on the top and fall

    20 down in the drawers. But that be unusual for a pen

    21 like that to be in an underwear drawer.


    22 TOM HANEY: How about other clothing items,

    23 would they end up in there or would they be there?

    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, yeah, you know, those

    25 two or three drawers would be underwear, pajamas, you

    0435

    1 know. So, you know, they may not get in the exact

    2 right drawer every time.

    3 TOM HANEY: Could there have been the long

    4 underwear.

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes. I think I had long

    6 underwear.

    7 TOM HANEY: Could it or would it have been in

    8 that drawer or (inaudible).

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: This drawer was more shallow

    10 than the next one down, I think. So I think -- I

    11 think, I don't remember exactly, but I would think that

    12 those, you know, drawers would have been a more deep

    13 drawer, a little more shallow for light weight things.

    14 TOM HANEY: 278 there.

    15 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. This is the bathroom.

    16 It looks like the bathroom rug, the bathroom, the guest

    17 room there, John Andrews room. A little notebook and

    18 some towels. I don't know what that is.

    19 Is that the binding on the book, that kind of

    20 greenish?

    21 TOM HANEY: 279.

    22 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like a drawer.

    23 That is the drawer in the guest -- in John Andrew's

    24 room.

    25 TRIP DEMUTH: What is the red and black item?

    0436

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I can't tell.

    2 I don't know.

    3 TOM HANEY: Go ahead.

    4 PATSY RAMSEY: I was going to say, do you

    5 have a picture of it blown up?

    6 TOM HANEY: No, we don't.

    7 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.

    8 TOM HANEY: Can you tell us, identify the

    9 other items that are in there.

    10 PATSY RAMSEY: I can't. This (inaudible).

    11 John Andrew did (inaudible), that he would hang up.

    12 Looks like just clothes in there. Can't tell.

    13 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about 280, and we can

    14 probably skip that one quickly.

    15 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I don't know what that

    16 is.

    17 TOM HANEY: Is that the next sequence. Yeah.

    18 Some of these are going to be gone over quickly, and we

    19 will skip over to 281. There is none. So we go to

    20 282, which is a photo 283.

    21 PATSY RAMSEY: That is a drawer with some

    22 markers in it. I don't know what drawer it is.

    23 TOM HANEY: But markers would be distributed

    24 many places?

    25 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
    0437

    1 TOM HANEY: 284.

    2 PATSY RAMSEY: This looks like a little table

    3 in my dressing room
    with stuff on it. This is,

    4 (inaudible). Earrings.

    5 TOM HANEY: Anything out of the ordinary, out

    6 of place, unusual?

    7 PATSY RAMSEY: No, kind of a catch all.

    8 TRIP DEMUTH: What about the note pad?

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: It is just -- this is, you

    10 know, I would buy stacks of those in office places and

    11 just use them. I don't know what that -- scribbles.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    So we have bloodstains from JonBenet on the pillow; a "marker" in the underwear drawer; too large Bloomies on the child which can't be explained, no matter how many times Patsy changed her story; and the "missing blanket".

    9 THOMAS HANEY: Okay, if we can go

    10 back to photo number of 2 so we don't jump too

    11 far ahead. It looks like there is a bedspread,

    12 I guess it's kind of a light --

    13 PATSY RAMSEY: (Mumbling.)

    14 THOMAS HANEY: Whatever color that

    15 is. It appears to be covering about half, maybe

    16 a little bit more than half, fairly well

    17 distributed as far as hanging over the bed down

    18 to the --

    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

    20 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. It doesn't

    21 appear that if there had been a blanket under

    22 that or anything, that anything was pulled out

    23 from --

    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, I see what you

    25 mean. Uh-hum.

    0246

    1 (Witness mumbling into hand.)

    2 (INAUDIBLE.)


    3 TRIP DeMUTH: How was her blanket

    4 on the bed?

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Normally it was made

    6 and it would be the fitted sheet and there was

    7 usually a top sheet. Kind of a bed sheet, you

    8 know.

    9 TRIP DeMUTH: Pointing to photo 3.

    10 PATSY RAMSEY: There was a top

    11 sheet and then there was her blanket, this

    12 cotton blanket.

    13 THOMAS HANEY: And could you

    14 describe that?

    15 PATSY RAMSEY: I think it was kind

    16 of whitish, loose weave, you know. Kind of

    17 crocheted looking sort of, and that would have

    18 been, you know, all that stuff tucked in under

    19 the bed and then this is a comforter that just

    20 lays on top. You know. Hangs down to the --

    21 just over the dust ruffle.

    22 THOMAS HANEY: So that lighter

    23 blanket that you talked about would have been

    24 tucked in between the mattress and the box

    25 spring?

    0247

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum. Oh, you

    2 mean -- you know how you make it, tuck it right

    3 here, you know.

    4 TRIP DeMUTH: Under the mattress?

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, right, so it

    6 doesn't pull out.

    7 TRIP DeMUTH: So the blanket would

    8 have been tucked all the way down to the foot of

    9 the bed.

    10 PATSY RAMSEY: Correct, under

    11 this, under that.

    12 TRIP DeMUTH: Then the bedspread

    13 looks like it's properly and evenly distributed

    14 at the foot of the bed?

    15 PATSY RAMSEY: You're right.

    16 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you see the

    17 blanket in there at all?

    18 PATSY RAMSEY: No. No.

    19 TRIP DeMUTH: She didn't, the

    20 blanket never worked itself out and laid loose

    21 on top of the bed, did it?

    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, sometimes.

    23 TRIP DeMUTH: You know, completely

    24 untucked, that's what I am asking. Do you know

    25 how JonBenet slept, if that was a normal

    0248

    1 practice or was it tucked in?

    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, something

    3 that kind of heavy, you know, this was fairly

    4 heavy. It was -- it would be unlikely that it

    5 would be completely out, without being pulled

    6 out.

    7 TRIP DeMUTH: Without the bedspread

    8 being disturbed also?

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, I would think.

    10 THOMAS HANEY: When you put

    11 JonBenet to bed on Christmas night, was that

    12 lightweight blanket in the bed?

    13 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I

    14 can't say for sure.

    15 THOMAS HANEY: Take a second and go

    16 back to that routine that night of --

    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, God. I can't

    18 remember exactly.

    19 THOMAS HANEY: But it should have

    20 been?

    21 PATSY RAMSEY: Should have been.

    22 THOMAS HANEY: Or would have been

    23 probably?

    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably.

    25 TRIP DeMUTH: What about the pillow

    0249

    1 at the foot of the bed, is that --

    2 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    3 THOMAS HANEY: Did she use a

    4 pillow? Some people do, some don't.

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: No, no, she did.

    6 TRIP DeMUTH: I mean the way the

    7 sweater is thrown at the foot of the bed is not

    8 unusual, right?

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    10 TRIP DeMUTH: She would have done

    11 that?

    12 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

    13 TRIP DeMUTH: Did she ever put her

    14 pillow at the foot of the bed, would that be

    15 usual or unusual?

    16 PATSY RAMSEY: That would be

    17 unusual.

    18 TRIP DeMUTH: What about the way

    19 that is generally made, did she make her bed?

    20 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    21 TRIP DeMUTH: Was it usually in

    22 this condition, other than what you see with the

    23 pillow there?

    24 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean, an unmade

    25 bed is an unmade bed. I mean --

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    1 TRIP DeMUTH: Nothing strikes you

    2 as being unusual about that, other than the

    3 blanket and the pillow?

    4 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

    5 THOMAS HANEY: There is something

    6 hanging, is that a pink clothing item?

    7 PATSY RAMSEY: I think that's a

    8 little (INAUDIBLE).

    9 THOMAS HANEY: Are there items at

    10 the foot of the bed?

    11 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE

    12 RESPONSE.)

    13 (Patsy Ramsey looking down into

    14 photographs. Hand in front of her face.)

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    WHAT?!!!!!


    25 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.

    0253

    1 When were these taken?

    2 THOMAS HANEY: These photos were

    3 taken the morning of the 26th.

    4 TRIP DeMUTH: It was before

    5 JonBenet was found.

    6 THOMAS HANEY: We will start with

    7 number 5. Can you just describe what you see in

    8 there?

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I don't

    10 recognize that little (INAUDIBLE) at all.

    11 THOMAS HANEY: Little red and white

    12 Santa, stuffed animal?

    13 PATSY RAMSEY: Um.

    14 THOMAS HANEY: Could it have been a

    15 recent gift?

    16 PATSY RAMSEY: I could see that,

    17 you all have that toy, if I could see that, I

    18 would know. That doesn't look --

    19 THOMAS HANEY: Did JonBenet have a

    20 lot of stuffed animals?

    21 PATSY RAMSEY: A lot of stuffed

    22 animals.

    23 THOMAS HANEY: So if --

    24 PATSY RAMSEY: But I knew 'em, knew

    25 'em.

    0254

    1 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Anything else

    2 on the bed?

    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, this looks

    4 like a little -- the little pot holder square

    5 she was making. This multi-colored thing here.

    6 This black thing I can't (INAUDIBLE). Oh,

    7 that's sort of looks like it might be the little

    8 velvet dress (INAUDIBLE). Little silver snaps.

    9 TRIP DeMUTH: When did she last

    10 wear that?

    11 PATSY RAMSEY: She wore that to the

    12 Whites on the 25th.

    13 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. The evening of

    14 the 25th?


    15 PATSY RAMSEY: This Santa Claus

    16 (INAUDIBLE). Where is that, did you all have

    17 that?

    18 THOMAS HANEY: I don't think we do,

    19 I don't know.

    20 TRIP DeMUTH: That could be

    21 probably -- I don't think that was (INAUDIBLE).

    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Boy.
    What the heck? Did I miss something? HA! Obviously, I missed A LOT! Is there an explanation for this?

    I mean, LE would HAVE to have known this if JB wore A DRESS to the Whites. There were PICTURES, after all. Maybe Patsy got confused and was talking about the Christmas party on the 23rd? JB had on a velvet dress then, right?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    It was the children's laundry, if I remember correctly JC just outside their bedrooms. I remember reading Linda Hoffman Pugh remembered the blanket JonBenét was wrapped in was still in the dryer when she left; therefore would an intruder have known where the dryer was to retrieve the blanket? The amount of evidence overlooked in this case was absolutely unbelievable.

    Elle, do you remember where you got the LHP info? Was it in Thomas's book? You've jogged my memory, but only slightly. What I'm after is if LHP said when she last changed the sheets? Patsy said LHP's last workday before the murder was that Money, the 23rd kid's Christmas party. But of course, Patsy didn't remember if LHP changed the sheets and made it sound like LHP worked DOWNSTAIRS all day for the party.

    Anyone but me notice how Patsy did that constantly in these interviews? Anytime the detectives were trying to NAIL SOMETHING IMPORTANT DOWN, Patsy always found a way to obscure ANY timeline or issue.

    She's good for it!

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    WHAT?!!!!!




    What the heck? Did I miss something? HA! Obviously, I missed A LOT! Is there an explanation for this?

    I mean, LE would HAVE to have known this if JB wore A DRESS to the Whites. There were PICTURES, after all. Maybe Patsy got confused and was talking about the Christmas party on the 23rd? JB had on a velvet dress then, right?
    Patsy probably said "vest". It rhymes with "dress" and I am guesing the transcriber heard it wrong. LE didn't make a big deal of it so it was probably "vest".That's my guess anyway for what it's worth.



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