Those who have had DNA samples taken

A few years ago someone on this forum took a screencap from a documentary and was able to discern from a list of blacked-out names whose DNA was collected. Were the Stines on that list?

 

Not that I remember. I'll see if I can find it.

 

Didn't the Ramseys claim in DOI that Doug Stines mouth was swabbed for DNA? I'd like to know if there is a REAL source for this, too.
If anyone can find the answer to this, I know KoldKase can.

 

Wow! Welcome, whitewitch! :highfive:

And thanks for the vote of confidence! Nothing like PRESSURE! hahaha

I've been working on another thread here today, but I'm going to give people a chance to stew on it a bit, so I'll see what I can find now on this.

 

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-DNA.htm

 

Here is the original screen capture:

 

KK, here's another screen capture of the same document excerpt you posted that has a little more detail. It reads:


BASED ON THESE RESULTS, THE DNA PROFILES DEVELOPED FROM EXHIBITS #5A, 5B
14I, 15A, 15B, 16A, 17A AND 17C MATCHED THE PROFILE FOR JONBENET RAMSEY

THE DNA PROFILES DEVELOPED FROM EXHIBITS #7, 14L AND 14M REVEALED A MIX-
TURE OF WHICH THE MAJOR COMPONENT MATCHED JONBENET RAMSEY. IF THE MINOR
COMPONENTS FROM EXHIBITS #7, 14L AND 14M WERE CONTRIBUTED BY A SINGLE
INDIVIDUAL, THEN JOHN ANDREW RAMSEY, MELINDA RAMSEY, JOHN B. RAMSEY,
PATRICIA RAMSEY, BURKE RAMSEY, JEFF RAMSEY, [NAMES BLACKED OUT WITH PEN]
AND [BLACKED OUT NAME] WOULD BE EXCLUDED AS A SOURCE OF DNA ANALYZED ON
THOSE EXHIBITS.

 

Let's look at what the DNA results page actually says as opposed to what the Ramseys and their spin team would have us, the media, and the general public believe.


BASED ON THESE RESULTS, THE DNA PROFILES DEVELOPED FROM EXHIBITS #5A, 5B
14I, 15A, 15B, 16A, 17A AND 17C MATCHED THE PROFILE FOR JONBENET RAMSEY

THE DNA PROFILES DEVELOPED FROM EXHIBITS #7, 14L AND 14M REVEALED A MIX-
TURE OF WHICH THE MAJOR COMPONENT MATCHED JONBENET RAMSEY.


There was a mixture of JonBenet's DNA and some other DNA which was not hers on three of the exhibits. JonBenet's DNA was the major component which means the other DNA was not equally complete.


IF THE MINOR
COMPONENTS FROM EXHIBITS #7, 14L AND 14M WERE CONTRIBUTED BY A SINGLE
INDIVIDUAL ...


What this phrase tells us is the DNA lab was not positive the minor components mixed in with JonBenet's DNA (from the three exhibits) were contributed by a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. It also tells us that the lab wasn't sure what they were seeing. They could rule out certain Ramsey individuals and friends because their markers did not match at specific alleles, but the lab was not sure if the partial DNA was from one person or more.

Jayelles did a fantastic job of filling in the blacked-out names in the following screen capture originally posted October 30, 2006 on the Support For Fleet White, post #6.

 

Wonder why the Whites were blacked out originally? Because the RST wanted them to remain suspects, conspicuously absent from the list of donors cleared?

 

That's certainly a distinct possibility. As you have probably noticed, another name was also blacked out, and that innocent person was (like the Whites) also thrown under the bus by the Ramseys.

Thanks once again to Jayelles, we know that individual's name is Mervin Pugh.

 

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?p=128001&highlight=fleet+white

Taken from post #6 by Jayelles on the Support Fleet White thread, the following is a list of Ramsey friends and associates who might had their DNA tested.

From that list, no other names but Fleet White, Priscilla White and Mervin Pugh fit the blacked-out portions of the DNA lab report.

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Archuleta, Mike (John Ramsey's pilot)
Archuleta, Pam (Mike Archuleta's wife)
Barnhill, Betty (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Barnhill, Joe (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Beuf, Dr. Francesco (Jonbenét's pediatrician & Ramsey friend)
Beuf, Penni (Dr Beuf's wife)
Brady, Shirley (Ramsey nanny)
Brumfitt, Diane (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Bynum, Mike (Ramsey lawyer)
Crowder, Judy (Lucinda Ramsey's neighbor in Atlanta)
Davis, Grant (Patsy Ramsey's brother in law)
Dillon, Margaret (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Durgin, Leslie (Mayor of Boulder)
Elowsky , "Pasta" Jay (John Ramsey's business associate & family friend)
Fernie, Barbara (Ramsey friend)
Fernie, John (Ramsey friend)
Gibbons, Scott (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Glynn, Mike (Access Graphics' "disgruntled employee")
Griffin , Kristine (Pam Griffin's daughter and Ramsey babysitter)
Griffin , Pamela (Jonbenét's costume designer)
Hand, Tom (Ramsey Boulder architect)
Haney, Carla (Boulder neighbor who walked her dog at 1am on 12/26/96)
Harrington, Pastor Dr. W. Frank (Ramsey minister in Atlanta)
Hoffman-Pugh, Linda (Ramsey housekeeper in Boulder)
Hofstrom, Pete (Asst Boulder DA and alleged Ramsey associate)
Hollis, Diane (former Access Graphics employee)
Hoverstock, Rev. Rol (Ramsey minister in Boulder)
Justice, Mary (Ramsey friend in Atlanta)
Kloster, Dr Gil (Ramsey friend in Atlanta)
Kloster, Jayne (Ramsey friend in Atlanta)
Limerick, Patricia (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Long III, Dr. Stewart (John Ramsey's son in law)
Marino, Jim (Access Graphic's employee and Ramsey friend)
McHue, Leslie (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
McLean, Linda Edison (Long time friend of Patsy Ramsey)
McReynolds, Bill (Santa, deceased)
McReynolds , Janet (Santa's wife)
Merrick, Jeff (former Ramsey friend and employee at Access Graphics)
Meyers, Glenn (boarded with the Barnhills)
Miles, Stephen (lived in Boulder, accused by John Ramsey)
Morgan, Bryan (Ramsey attorney)
Paugh, Donald (Patsy Ramsey's father)
Paugh, Nedra (Patsy Ramsey's mother)
Paugh, Pamela (Patsy Ramsey's younger sister)
Paugh Davis, Pauline "Polly” (Patsy Ramsey's youngest sister)
Phillips, Judith (former Ramsey friend)
Pugh, Mervin (husband of Linda Hoffman-Pugh)
Ramsey, Burke (Jonbenét's brother)
Ramsey, Elizabeth “Beth” (Jonbenét's eldest half sister, deceased)
Ramsey, Jeff (John Ramsey's brother)
Ramsey, John (Jonbenét's father)
Ramsey, John Andrew (Jonbenét's older half brother)
Ramsey, Jonbenét
Ramsey, Patricia "Patsy" Paugh (Jonbenét's mother)
Ramsey, Peggy (John Ramsey's sister in law)
Ramsey Johnson, Lucinda Pasch (John Ramsey's first wife)
Ramsey Long, Melinda (Jonbenét's older half sister)
Simons, Randy (Jonbenét's photographer)
Simpson , Carole (Ramsey friend in Atlanta)
Smith , Betty (friend of Patsy's from WV)
Smith, Jim (friend of Patsy's from WV)
Stanton, Luther (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Stanton, Melody (Ramsey neighbor in Boulder)
Stevens, Dr. Donald (University friend of John Ramsey)
Stine, Glen (Ramsey friend in Boulder)
Stine, Susan (Ramsey friend in Boulder)
Stobie, Jane (former employee of Access Graphics)
Wagner, Laurie (Ramsey friend and employee of Access Graphics)
Walker , Roxanne “Roxy” (Ramsey friend in Boulder)
Walker, Stewart (Ramsey friend in Boulder)
Westmoreland , J. Rod (Ramsey friend in Atlanta)
White, Fleet (Ramsey friend in Boulder)
White, Priscilla (Ramsey friend in Boulder)

 

Oh, thanks so much, Cherokee. I knew one of you wonderful people with memory still intact would come through! :heart:

I'd bet Team Ramsey would say they "blacked out" those names so those people wouldn't be identified for the public to hound. HAHAHAHA Oh yeah, that's what they'd say in their own defense.

But with all the accusations against these people for 12 years by the RST themselves, it would be a disingenuous argument. Claiming the Ramseys are "exhonerated" by DNA, but not others who have NO EVIDENCE against them at all that they were in the home or involved in the murder, is how the RST has played this game all along.

Mary Lacy, Lou Smit, and Michael Tracey should be deeply ashamed of their behavior. Unfortunately, they're far too in love with themselves and the Ramseys to even get WHY.

 

Thanks, everyone, for your help! For some reason, I was thinking that there were more blacked-out names other than the Whites and Mervin Pugh on that list.

 

For the record, here is another page of the CBI report that shows the names of people who were tested (and obviously weren't a match for the partial DNA). Besides the Ramseys, it lists John Fernie, Priscilla White, Mervin Pugh and Linda Hoffman-Pugh.

In addition, this page lists the content of referenced exhibit numbers mentioned in the report.

 

Second page of the CBI report.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the listed names are:

JOE BARNHILL, JR.
JAY ELOWSKI
BARBARA FERNIE
GLEN STINE
FLEET WHITE
JOE BARNHILL, SR.

 

I even used a magnigfying glass and couldn't make out the name that you think is Glen Stine. It's really hard to make out what that particular name is. I could see all of the others pretty clearly, though.
Maybe it's just my eyes, which aren't very good to begin with. Can anyone else make it out?

 

The names ARE hard to decipher. One of the obvious helps is the number of letters in both the first names and surnames as well their relative placement compared to the names above and below on the list. I cannot replicate the font used in the report, so the spacing is not the same, but the number and placement of letters guideline works with any font.

VAGINAL SWABS FROM JONBENET RAMSEY.
BLOODSTAIN STANDARD FROM JOE BARNHILL, JR. (3 letters/8 letters)
BLOODSTAIN STANDARD FROM BARBARA FERNIE. (7/6)
BLOODSTAIN STANDARD FROM GLEN STINE. (4/5)
BLOODSTAIN STANDARD FROM FLEET WHITE. (5/5)
BLOODSTAIN STANDARD FROM JOE BARNHILL, SR. (3/8)

If you look at the original report, you can count the number of letters in the names that are faintly legible. The names above and below the one in question are BARBARA FERNIE and FLEET WHITE.

BARBARA has seven letters and FLEET has five. By looking at FLEET's five-lettered name, it is obvious the name in question has four letters. The last letter of the questioned name ends above the second 'E'. (and fourth letter) of FLEET's name. In addition, the questioned name ends below the second 'B' (and fourth letter) of BARBARA's name. Ergo, the first name of the person in question has four letters.

BARBARA
GLEN
FLEET

The same principle applies to the surname.

The first letter of the questioned name begins under the 'R' of BARBARA and ends under the 'E' of FERNIE. If you count the spaces between the 'R' and the 'E' it is five spaces - RA FE. The count remains the same when comparing the letters with FLEET WHITE's name below the questioned name. The first letter of the questioned name begins over the space between FLEET's first and last names, between the 'T' and the 'W'. It ends above the 'T' in WHITE. This accounts for five spaces and is confirmation that the surname contains five letters.

So, we have a person whose first name has four letters and last name has five. GLEN STINE fits the bill. IMHO, it looks like the first letter of the name begins with a 'GL' and the surname begins with an 'ST'.

If anyone can find another person on the tested list who fits the number, spaces and curves of the letters better than the name GLEN STINE, I am perfectly willing to accept the name belongs to someone else.

 

You're probably right. I enlarged the picture, played with the contrast etc and I still can't make it out. I can read all of the other names perfectly fine but just not that one. Ugh.

 

Even after all this time, I hadn't realized till I saw that report that there were bloodstains on the white blanket and nightgown. She wasn't wearing the nightgown- it was laying on the white blanket. There wasn't blood on the longjohns. So how do you think the blood got on the blanket and nightgown?

Blood oozing from the vagina? But then it would be on the longjohns. The blood on the nightgown is a puzzle...unless the blood was on the fingers of the person doing the wrapping.staging. That may explain how it got on the blanket. The blood on the shirt is probably what came from her mouth and/or nose.