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    Default Dr. Wecht interview on this case

    How'd I miss this? It's quite FABULOUS!

    Apparently Dr. Wecht was interviewed by a man named Joe Cochran, who is joined by a co-host, a police officer and author named Jeff Scott Hansen, about this case. I'm still trying to figure out the timeline from the "event" references--they say Lacy is out of office. The host does mention JR ran for office two years before "right here in Michigan", so I guess the show was done there.

    I was originally thinking this had to have been done this year, as they mention at the outset that the case is being "re-opened", but then something else they said made me think, no--some details regarding the various timelines are confused, obviously. And the reference to JR "now" running for office has me puzzled. What am I missing?

    This video [in three parts] was posted May 19, 2009.

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    Episode 6 Part 1 JonBenet


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlU6E...eature=related

    JonBenet Murder Case...Cyril Wecht special guest in Forensic Pathology
    Two Part 30 Minute Episodes...broken down into 10 minute segments (part 1, 2, 3)
    Here is part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jybGWR3A1rg&NR=1

    Here is part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKTrJ...eature=related

    Each segment is less than 10 minutes.

    And Dr. Wecht and these hosts really nail so much about this case, it's quite refreshing:

    --The absurdity of an "intruder" spending so much time in the home and then forgetting the body.

    --The details of the ransom note.

    --The unacceptable exploitation of JonBenet in pageants.

    --The parents wanting to leave the body and town immediately.

    --Fleet White turning on John Ramsey.

    --The autopsy.

    --The cover up: including Lacy's absurd exhoneration based on "touch" DNA, which Wecht addresses.

    --Steve Thomas' courage for being a whistleblower.

    --John Mark Karr...and more.


    I'm telling you, it's hard not to jump up and down while listening to Wecht's outrage!

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, now the interview on JonBenet's murder continues with Dr. Wecht in another segment, which they're calling part 2. It begins with the autopsy in more detail, as discussed by Dr. Wecht:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wJYi...eature=related

    And Dr. Wecht goes on at length about the amount of blood which was leaked after the head blow, which has lately become a point I cannot find sufficient refutal to disagree with the theory that JonBenet was at least being strangled when she was struck in the head. (And this is why I have gone back to wondering about Burke.)

    JEZUZ! HOW DID WE MISS THIS!!! At long last!! Dr. Wecht is talking about the chronic vaginal injuries:

    Dr. Wecht: "Let's talk now about the external genitalia, let's talk about the injuries...the injuries are for the most part, old--they're chronic. A good part of the hymen is absent, and that's an old, old phenomenon, it's been there for a while. Then the pathologist reports--and I'm taking it right from the autopsy report--he reports superficial erosion of the vaginal mucosa, that's the lining, the delicate lining of the vaginal canal at the seven o'clock position, and that's been there for a while, that's not acute, and then he finds microscopically chronic inflammation under the microscope--that means it's been there for days...it could be longer than days, but it's not fresh, and then he finds, also, birefringement material under polarized light. What that means is that you put a blue prism in your microscope and you'll see something that you won't see with a regular microscopic light, and you know what the most common source of birefringement material is in your home and mine? Talcom powder...you guys...you beginning to get a picture here?"
    "...you got that superficial erosion at the seven o'clock position, and you have the chronic inflammation, and absence of a significant part of the hymen...do you think this is a game that has been played before? What do you think?"
    I left out the "uh" and "ah" common to Dr. Wecht's extemporaneous speech pattern, but this is the detail of what he said. He continues going through his determinations.

    Then the next two segments of this interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_4P...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxga...eature=related
    Last edited by Cherokee; June 18, 2009, 11:38 am at Thu Jun 18 11:38:17 UTC 2009.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Oh my god. I'm about to croak!

    After going on about the pineapple found in the body, Dr. Wecht says, "You're dealing with hard forensic scientific facts here, my god, and for people like Alex Hunter, and the other apologists out there, and all the Ramsey sycophants and apologists, and now former DA, it's disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful!"

    THEN FINALLY! WE GET TO HEAR THE EXPLANATIONS WE SHOULD HAVE HEARD AT TRIAL, FROM A WORLD-RENOWNED FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST!

    [I transcribed this minus the "uh" and "ah" and repeat "and and" kind of verbal tics common to Dr. Wecht's speech, but it's very close otherwise to his exact words.]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Wecht

    "I'm not engaging in conjecture. I'm telling you the hard facts. This is not an interpretation of mine, this is not a subjective evaluation. I'm telling you that a significant part of the hymen of this six year old girl is absent. That...there is chronic erosion--chronic to a pathologist means beyond 48-72 hours, you can't be much more precise than that, could be much longer, but no less than 48 hours, and the finding of the birefringement material I've told you about. So you've got the superficial erosion, you've got the chronic inflammation, both of which are seen microscopically, you've got the birefringement material, found microscopically, and you've got the absence of a part of the hymen. Now, that tells you that whatever had been done with this little girl, and by whomever, had been done one or more times previous to the evening, the night on which she met her fatal end, that's what it tells you. That is hard forensic science."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_4P...eature=related

    I Dr. Wecht.

    So, Mr. Garnett and Police Chief Beckner, you want to REALLY re-open this case? IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME YOU LOOKED AT THIS MOST CRITICAL EVIDENCE RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSES!! THIS NARROWS THE SUSPECT POOL CONSIDERABLY! Start HERE and you'll at long last have some ACTUAL questions to ask that have NEVER been answered: WHO HAD ACCESS TO JONBENET AND DID THIS TO HER BEFORE THAT NIGHT?

    That's how to find HER KILLER!
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Now they're talking about the bedwetting theory in this part:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxga04YltI&NR=1

    Dr. Wecht doesn't believe this was bedwetting-related.

    Asked if he believes this will ever be "any closure" on this case, Dr. Wecht says he regrets to say that he does "...not think that anything is going to happen...keep in mind that Patsy Ramsey is dead...John Ramsey, that's all he has to do is stick with the story that he has told before, and that's it. The evidence is there and they did not choose to run with it then, or in subsequent years, and so on. So I doubt very much that anything is ever going to happen. I'll tell you this, they're never going to find any intruder, because there was no intruder, okay?" Then he talks some about the "new investigation", but continues, "The evidence is there. If they did not act on it then, why should we believe they're going to act upon it now?"

    They get back to Thomas and one host says he has "...talked to police officers who worked with [Thomas], former bosses of his, they give him an A+ as a police officer, fabulous detective, and he was really drug through the mud." Wecht says he knows Thomas, and that "it is a disgrace what they did to him...they tried to destroy him...."

    Damn right. If they'd gone after their old intruder with a HUNDRETH of the hatred they used on Thomas, they'd have found him...except, of course, they had no hatred toward the intruder, because he doesn't exist.

    You have to hear what Wecht has to say about the possibility of a successful prosecution now, with John Ramsey not having to worry about what Patsy is going to say: "They've got to live with Patsy Ramsey's statements from before, and all of that which went unchallenged. You know, what are they going to do? Now posthumously challenge it and dig her up from the grave and accuse her of lying? You see what I mean? It's over and done with."

    I vote for digging her up and accusing her of lying.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Thank you, Dr. Wecht. I've waited a very long time for that. 12+ years, in fact.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Now they're talking about the bedwetting theory in this part:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxga04YltI&NR=1

    Dr. Wecht doesn't believe this was bedwetting-related.

    Asked if he believes this will ever be "any closure" on this case, Dr. Wecht says he regrets to say that he does "...not think that anything is going to happen...keep in mind that Patsy Ramsey is dead...John Ramsey, that's all he has to do is stick with the story that he has told before, and that's it. The evidence is there and they did not choose to run with it then, or in subsequent years, and so on. So I doubt very much that anything is ever going to happen. I'll tell you this, they're never going to find any intruder, because there was no intruder, okay?" Then he talks some about the "new investigation", but continues, "The evidence is there. If they did not act on it then, why should we believe they're going to act upon it now?"

    They get back to Thomas and one host says he has "...talked to police officers who worked with [Thomas], former bosses of his, they give him an A+ as a police officer, fabulous detective, and he was really drug through the mud." Wecht says he knows Thomas, and that "it is a disgrace what they did to him...they tried to destroy him...."

    Damn right. If they'd gone after their old intruder with a HUNDRETH of the hatred they used on Thomas, they'd have found him...except, of course, they had no hatred toward the intruder, because he doesn't exist.

    You have to hear what Wecht has to say about the possibility of a successful prosecution now, with John Ramsey not having to worry about what Patsy is going to say: "They've got to live with Patsy Ramsey's statements from before, and all of that which went unchallenged. You know, what are they going to do? Now posthumously challenge it and dig her up from the grave and accuse her of lying? You see what I mean? It's over and done with."

    I vote for digging her up and accusing her of lying.
    Thanks, KK, for bringing the information from Wecht's interview to FFJ! Wecht tells it like it is, and he's absolutely right about EVERYTHING.

    Boulder let the Ramseys get away with what happened to JonBenet. They also let the Ramseys crucify Thomas, smear Fleet White and accuse innocent people whose only crime was to be a friend or acquaintance of the Ramseys.

    Wecht's interview should be required reading for Beckner's new Ramsey task force!

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Okay, now the interview on JonBenet's murder continues with Dr. Wecht in another segment, which they're calling part 2. It begins with the autopsy in more detail, as discussed by Dr. Wecht:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wJYi...eature=related

    And Dr. Wecht goes on at length about the amount of blood which was leaked after the head blow, which has lately become a point I cannot find sufficient refutal to disagree with the theory that JonBenet was at least being strangled when she was struck in the head. (And this is why I have gone back to wondering about Burke.)

    JEZUZ! HOW DID WE MISS THIS!!! At long last!! Dr. Wecht is talking about the chronic vaginal injuries:





    I left out the "uh" and "ah" common to Dr. Wecht's extemporaneous speech pattern, but this is the detail of what he said. He continues going through his determinations.

    Then the next two segments of this interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_4P...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxga...eature=related
    Pardon me for enjoying your enthusiasm over this exciting find! I have only made it this far in thread, but just had to let you know about the Big Smile on my face...now that I have to rearrange my time so that I can watch these clips, I am really appreciating your re-caps!
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    Thanks, KK, for bringing the information from Wecht's interview to FFJ! Wecht tells it like it is, and he's absolutely right about EVERYTHING.

    Boulder let the Ramseys get away with what happened to JonBenet. They also let the Ramseys crucify Thomas, smear Fleet White and accuse innocent people whose only crime was to be a friend or acquaintance of the Ramseys.

    Wecht's interview should be required reading for Beckner's new Ramsey task force!
    BAM!!

    I absolutely agree!

    Why don't you sent this to Mark Beckner and Stan Garnett? Tell 'em the COMPLIMENTS OF THE GUTTAH!

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat View Post
    Pardon me for enjoying your enthusiasm over this exciting find! I have only made it this far in thread, but just had to let you know about the Big Smile on my face...now that I have to rearrange my time so that I can watch these clips, I am really appreciating your re-caps!

    Just be sure to wear your depends, because I almost pizzed my pants, I got so excited. We've been waiting so long to hear this!

    Oh, we MUST write and thank the guys who did this, and Dr. Wecht, too.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I'm having trouble opening the videos KK. Will try later. Anyone else having any problems?
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    I'm curious to know, what, if anything, did Wecht have to say about the "DNA" evidence? I don't have time to watch the videos right now so hoping you (KK) can answer my question.

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    Ah, Koldkase, this only confirms what I have believed all along. All the work you put into bringing this to us is very much appreciated. You are a great sleuth and a great poster; ever striving to put the facts before us.

    I have said all along that J.R. was more fearful of being found guilty of child abuse than of murder. His responses, in TV interviews, in ref. to this subject, have been ambiguous and disingenuous. I don’t believe that he even acknowledged that JBR had been sexually abused. Ditto for Patsy.

    Most folks simply cannot wrap their minds around something as vile and abnormal as incest. It is against every form of human decency. The fact that most folks would rather shy away from hearing or reading about it, allows too many creeps to slip through the cracks.

    In my opinion, incest is the epitome of evil. Only cowards, intent upon satisfying their primitive desires,would stoop so low as to abuse a child; especially their own child. Such people obviously have no regard for the sanctity of human life and possess a form of evil that is so despicable we fail mightily in our attempts to describe it. I believe that pedophiles are well aware of our abhorrence of incest and depend upon that to keep their evil behavior silenced. Their fear is of being exposed, but an even greater fear is having to spend time in jail or prison. They are well aware of what the most hardened criminal will do to them, and it ain’t pretty. Also, there is a strong comradely that exists between pedophiles, and, from what I understand, there’s a nation wide fellowship; transcending morals, laws or accepted modes of behavior.

    I do not find it odd that all those elements of “protection” in the Ram case remain intact, as I have my suspicions’, as to a certain “fellowship” existing between those involved in the cover-up.

    Again, thank you Koldkase, for bringing this most important subject to the forefront again. Thank God for Dr.Wecht!
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