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    Personally, I think the cheek mark was made by a different object. (The cheek mark is quite a bit bigger than either of the marks on the back.) After the head fracture, she might have had her head turned to the side, her cheek pressing into something.

    I think the back marks were made by objects of the same shape. Or it could be one object if she were repositioned.

    If you had just brained your kid in a fit of rage, would you pick her up and hug her for an extended period of time? Would you press the side of your head into her cheek while you sobbed? Maybe the back marks were made by clothing decorations while the cheek mark was made by an earring or something.

    Just speculating. This morning is the first time I've ever thought of the prime suspect doing anything other than standing over her daughter and cold-bloodedly planning the cover-up.
    Last edited by fr brown; June 10, 2012, 12:37 pm at Sun Jun 10 12:37:08 UTC 2012.

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    I cannot get over the fact with all of the technology we have today, the experts cannot come up with the true cause of all these marks.
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    They haven't told us everything they know. The police may know what made the marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    I cannot get over the fact with all of the technology we have today, the experts cannot come up with the true cause of all these marks.
    They had the technology in 1996, too. The coroner COULD have tried to determine what made those marks. He obviously chose (or was told) not to. The DA COULD have gotten a warrant to exhume JB's body to test the marks, since her parents refused to allow it. He chose (or was told) not to.
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    The WS and FFJ poster, Wolfmarsgirl, had a theory that Patsy's rings had turned upside down (palm side) on her fingers and made the marks. Because Patsy's fingers swelled on the steroids, then she lost weight afterwards, her rings turned downward with the weight of the stones. There are photos of Patsy wearing her rings turned upside down.

    Wolfmarsgirl did an experiment with rings turned upside down while holding/cradling her child. One set of rings ended up forming similar marks to those found on JonBenet's back, the other set ended up in the same place as on JBR's cheek. It was a very convincing experiment and theory.

    The idea was that Patsy had cradled and loved on JonBenet, perhaps rocking her, after Patsy thought JBR was dead. Those rings would have been slightly different sizes and not exactly the same width apart on the fingers, which could explain the difference in the size and spacing of the marks on JonBenet's back and face.

    IF the marks were made by Patsy's rings, it could also explain why the marks appeared as abrasions to Dr. Meyer because the ring prongs and stones would have dug into JonBenet's skin and with a rocking movement, they would have abraided her skin.

    I tried to find Wolfmarsgirl's photos that she posted of her experiment, but she has deleted everything that was on that web page, and they are no longer available. Did anyone save those pics? I believe she posted them in 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    The WS and FFJ poster, Wolfmarsgirl, had a theory that Patsy's rings had turned upside down (palm side) on her fingers and made the marks. Because Patsy's fingers swelled on the steroids, then she lost weight afterwards, her rings turned downward with the weight of the stones. There are photos of Patsy wearing her rings turned upside down.

    Wolfmarsgirl did an experiment with rings turned upside down while holding/cradling her child. One set of rings ended up forming similar marks to those found on JonBenet's back, the other set ended up in the same place as on JBR's cheek. It was a very convincing experiment and theory.

    The idea was that Patsy had cradled and loved on JonBenet, perhaps rocking her, after Patsy thought JBR was dead. Those rings would have been slightly different sizes and not exactly the same width apart on the fingers, which could explain the difference in the size and spacing of the marks on JonBenet's back and face.

    IF the marks were made by Patsy's rings, it could also explain why the marks appeared as abrasions to Dr. Meyer because the ring prongs and stones would have dug into JonBenet's skin and with a rocking movement, they would have abraided her skin.

    I tried to find Wolfmarsgirl's photos that she posted of her experiment, but she has deleted everything that was on that web page, and they are no longer available. Did anyone save those pics? I believe she posted them in 2004.
    I wish I did, but she was posting before I started and her pictures are definitely not around anymore.
    She was using the following site to host her pics, but her page is down.
    http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

    She does describe her work:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=32

    Also:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3971

    and here, where a certain poster by the name of Cherokee also has a post:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4603

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    The WS and FFJ poster, Wolfmarsgirl, had a theory that Patsy's rings had turned upside down (palm side) on her fingers and made the marks. Because Patsy's fingers swelled on the steroids, then she lost weight afterwards, her rings turned downward with the weight of the stones. There are photos of Patsy wearing her rings turned upside down.

    Wolfmarsgirl did an experiment with rings turned upside down while holding/cradling her child. One set of rings ended up forming similar marks to those found on JonBenet's back, the other set ended up in the same place as on JBR's cheek. It was a very convincing experiment and theory.

    The idea was that Patsy had cradled and loved on JonBenet, perhaps rocking her, after Patsy thought JBR was dead. Those rings would have been slightly different sizes and not exactly the same width apart on the fingers, which could explain the difference in the size and spacing of the marks on JonBenet's back and face.

    IF the marks were made by Patsy's rings, it could also explain why the marks appeared as abrasions to Dr. Meyer because the ring prongs and stones would have dug into JonBenet's skin and with a rocking movement, they would have abraided her skin.
    Now that you mention it, that does ring a bell.

    The autopsy report refers to the cheek mark once as an "abrasion or contusion" and thereafter refers to it as an abrasion.

    Why do the cheek and back marks have to be made by the same object or kind of object? The back marks are oval (or oblong) and quite small, very unlike the cheek mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    I wish I did, but she was posting before I started and her pictures are definitely not around anymore.
    She was using the following site to host her pics, but her page is down.
    http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

    She does describe her work:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=32

    Also:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3971

    and here, where a certain poster by the name of Cherokee also has a post:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4603
    Ha ha, yeah that old Cherokee has been around for a long time!

    Thanks for linking the WS threads. At least we have the discussion if not the photos.

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    I asked for, and received a stun gun for Christmas just like the one Smit claims was used on Jonbenet. Alas, my hubby won't let me use it on him so I can compare marks. Bummer, he's no fun. Anyway, I was thinking about using it on a piece of fruit like an orange or a cantaloupe. I have this thing now and I have to find a way to use it on someone/thing!!!!!

    I've never believed a stun gun was used on Jonbenet. Patsy wouldn't need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I asked for, and received a stun gun for Christmas just like the one Smit claims was used on Jonbenet. Alas, my hubby won't let me use it on him so I can compare marks. Bummer, he's no fun. Anyway, I was thinking about using it on a piece of fruit like an orange or a cantaloupe. I have this thing now and I have to find a way to use it on someone/thing!!!!!

    I've never believed a stun gun was used on Jonbenet. Patsy wouldn't need it.
    Oh geez, Karen! Hope you two don't ever have a real bad argument with this stun gun around.

    Good grief, who would need a stun gun for a small child?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I asked for, and received a stun gun for Christmas just like the one Smit claims was used on Jonbenet. Alas, my hubby won't let me use it on him so I can compare marks. Bummer, he's no fun. Anyway, I was thinking about using it on a piece of fruit like an orange or a cantaloupe. I have this thing now and I have to find a way to use it on someone/thing!!!!!

    I've never believed a stun gun was used on Jonbenet. Patsy wouldn't need it.
    I'd try it on an old shoe or handbag. Leather, being skin, might give you a more realistic idea of what tasered human skin looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    I'd try it on an old shoe or handbag. Leather, being skin, might give you a more realistic idea of what tasered human skin looks like.
    Good idea! I have on old beige purse. Perfect color!



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