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  1. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    Is that the white blanket and pink nightie in that bottom corner? And what you feel is a doll lying on top?
    Honestly, I don't know what it is, just what it could possibly be.

    Remember this is a screen capture--an image created from an image off a TV program. I'm not sure how that works, but it takes some kind of electronic equipment I don't have. ACR has done this for a long time, though. I believe Why Nut also has many times provided us with images acquired from TV programs that way.

    The upside is we have so many images we otherwise would not have access to, since Team Ramsey always has and apparently always will control what we're allowed to see and in what context. (Ha. Nothing blind about their justice system.) The downside is that the images we see are blurred and difficult to make out, as this one is.

    I don't think whatever it is, is lying on "the" blanket in which JB was wrapped, as it was much larger and more lumped up--see the image down the page here posted by Nickii. (Thanks Nickii.)

    It looks like a doll I've seen before, for some reason. Maybe it is a Christmas themed dress, if that's what it is. I wondered if that was a box it was lying in, and maybe the waves of white were tissue paper. Hard to say, really.

    Of course, it could be something else altogether. Maybe a Christmas decoration for the tree--like a topper? Oh, I think that's what it's reminding me of. The colors and if that's a dress, like the angels you see for sale at Christmas in stores.

    But it might not even be a doll of any kind.

    Still, it caught my attention and makes me wonder.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    Gulp.....I think you are correct! It's a doll and it's yellow hair is all splayed out as if arrainged. What is that top right photo of? Is it a close of the same doll and white blanket? Could it be that we've seen it all along and didn't know it? Oh my stars and garters!

    What a catch Kold Kase!
    Well, let's don't get too excited. I wouldn't take this blurred image to the bank as that of a doll of some kind. That'd be too easy, wouldn't it? Team Ramsey is forever teasing us, giving us just enough to confuse us, but never enough to clarify anything in this case. That's what they do and have done for 14 years. Bastids.

    Sad to say the photo in the top right corner is of JonBenet. She was turned and photographed, apparently, by the medical examiner when he finally showed up. This photo has caused a lot of controversy in my mind, because it reveals a few things that make me want to puke.

    One, it shows JonBenet's hands and arms in a position unlike the one we've been led to believe she was found in. If she was already in full rigor by 8 p.m. that night--and according to all reports, including the autopsy done the next morning, she was--her arms are not "over" her head as she lay on her back and "froze." Instead, they're in front of her head, raised. Did the medical examiner "break" the rigor to take this photo? Why would he do that. It's very confusing, but if this is how she was found, then we've been misled for many years and this position makes me consider an entire different scenario--for she looks as if she was left lying on her side instead of on her back. But there may be some other explanation, or maybe I'm just not seeing it in context.

    Two, JonBenet's hands are covered with brown paper bags, as bodies usually have done by LE to preserve any evidence they might hold. This made me realize the "intruder" paper bag stories Lou "Intruder" Smit not only spread in the media, but testified to under oath in the Wolf law suit were completely false. Then I discovered Smit knew it: ACR put up a page where she quoted sections of the LE interviews Smit did with John and Haney did with Patsy; Smit and Haney flat out state the paper bag in which the "rope", found in JAR's room and photographed by LE, was in fact put the "paper bag" by LE--it was an evidence bag.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-rope.htm

    Then I reread the autopsy and noticed at the end, the paper bags from the hands and feet were listed. Since Judge Carnes specifically cites those paper bag fibers from the "rope bag" and found in the "body bag" JonBenet was transported in were evidence of an intruder, which Smit himself had entered into the evidence for that case. Under oath Smit included false information about the paper bag fibers; it really tells the tale of how the Ramseys have had so many well placed shills doing their dirty work all along. They subverted the justice system at every turn with lies, disinformation, and obstruction of the investigation--paid for in full.

    Anyhow, the third and worst thing about this photo is that it shows a little girl, only six, in an astonishing death grip. She was the floodgate that opened, pouring the corruption, weakness, and dysfunction that is our justice system into our consciousness.



    Here is another shot taken of the body still lin the home, I believe, similar to the one above, but with a ruler:


    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Who decides what to redact and what to release? It makes me wonder about some of the other items that were redacted.

    I don't think that is "the" white blanket either.

    I don't see a doll. If that is a doll she is without clothes. Wierd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickii View Post
    Referring to koldkase last, attached image:

    Well, that picture is not really good and it leaves a big spectrum for speculation, but it could be a doll in a christmas outfit. I see something dressed in red and white. I do not see any pink. Could it be something like that?

    http://images.lighterside.com/images...ail/p56680.jpg
    Could be. Certainly seems possible.

    I see that deep red of Christmas decor, too. I see "pink" tinges, but that's from the blurriness in my case. My eyes are not that good anymore, and I have transition lenses in my glasses so colors are a tiny bit more vivid, though.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Who decides what to redact and what to release? It makes me wonder about some of the other items that were redacted.
    The Boulder Police Department redacted the line before they were forced by a judge to release the evidence list publicly.

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    For Karen and others:

    Some posters are wondering if the item circled below is the doll we now know was with JonBenet's body in the basement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    KOLDKASE YOU ARE AMAZING.

    Nikki, I see red and white too.

    It is so hard for me to say for certain if it is a doll or not but I do see red and white and I do see what could be the outline of a doll maybe.

    This is too wild. Koldkase you have done it again. Found something new in this case.
    Oh, I wouldn't go that far. There's sure to be someone who is going to appear and say it's this or that or not this or that, but something else because they know as blahblahblah.

    Hey, I hope someone does know. I sure don't. I was really looking for the photos of Smit crawling in that window. I have some saved on disk, but purged a lot of stuff from my computer files, so thought I could find it quick online. Ha. I always make that mistake. Things are going, going, gone.

    Anyhow, I have no idea why that photo popped out at me. It just did. I guess I have a bad habit of wandering around through stuff I've spent years wandering around through, because I forget stuff after all these years.

    Well, we'll cross our fingers and hope someone knows what it is and speaks up.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Levi Page has so graciously asked me to be on his show tonight.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

    Pat Brown criminal profiler & Dr. Richard Weinblatt former police chief will also be on Levi's show tonight.

    You can be sure I will talk about your discovery KoldKase.

    Did you post this on Websleuths? If not feel free. If you would rather just link to FFJ rather than reposting everything.

    Thank you.

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    I am unaware of anyone who's profited from exploiting the Ramsey murder over a longer period of time, with a greater disregard for the principles of accuracy and fairness, than the production team of Mills and Tracey.They truly do inhabit a different moral universe from real journalists. It's the difference between journalism and propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    That was sweet, Tricia--thanks.

    I can only recall one doll at the crime scene but my memory has faded a bit on this case. And another thing to consider, as you said, was that sometimes sources very close to the case get things wrong (not sdaying that's the case here). I recall, extremely early on, being told by someone who'd know, that Patsy's DNA was found on the duct tape. This was especially revealing because Patsy never, according to all accounts, came near the duct tape since it was left behind in that cellar room. Later it came out in one of the Tabloids that it was fibers from Patsy's vest found on the duct tape. To this day I don't know which, or both, were found on that tape. I will say that I used to be friends with a friend of the R's who was in their camp completely, and when we discussed the duct tape, she got very defensive and started rambling about the millions of innocent ways Patsy's DNA could have gotten there. most of these "innocent ways' were at least plausible, I'll admit, but there are about 10,000 too many coincidences in this case.

    This same friend assured me, assured me, that John Ramsey left the house completely open that night--that the Ramseys always left it open. This was a complete lie so I stopped talking to her. JR told several police officers many times over that he had checked every door and every window that night. Only later did he change this and every other story.
    Wow, BobC. This is interesting.

    Well, if Team Ramsey wants to argue that Patsy's DNA could innocently end up on duct tape she never saw nor owned nor handled, brought in by some intruder, through some kind of tranference, then I guess they don't think it's impossible that the few strands of unsourced DNA found on JB's clothing are from transference, too. But they'll never admit that, I don't think.

    I agree that at some point, coincidences that go on and on and on are just too many to deny add up to no coincidence, but proof that Patsy was in fact handling the child's body, either before or after death, or both.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Levi Page has so graciously asked me to be on his show tonight.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

    Pat Brown criminal profiler & Dr. Richard Weinblatt former police chief will also be on Levi's show tonight.

    You can be sure I will talk about your discovery KoldKase.

    Did you post this on Websleuths? If not feel free. If you would rather just link to FFJ rather than reposting everything.

    Thank you.

    Tricia


    Hang on!! It's not a discovery. Not yet, anyhow. It's a blurry photo that we can't figure out. Let's don't go getting ourselves into "misinformation" territory. Let's let Team Ramsey keep that unholy ground all to themselves.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, playing with the blurry photo, using "paint," I can better show what I'm looking at that might help us define this:

    Here is an outline of the "doll-looking" part of the photo (BobC can do an artists rendention if he'd like; I can barely get around it with that pointer). Also, here's an outline of the "rectangular" portion which makes it look like something in a box, to me, with fabric hanging over at the bottom.
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I remember seeing a photo of the wine cellar with what was described as a cigar box near some white paint buckets or something. I dimly recall that the box was overturned or something so we were looking at the bottom of it.

    When Patsy was asked in an interview who in the family smoked cigars, she answered that nobody did.

    Don't know anything about the doll except that Patsy, according to DOI, anxiously wanted her sister Pam to retrieve the My Twinn doll she'd given JonBenet for Christmas. It occurs to me that she might have been worried there was evidence on it.



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