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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    That is one of the funniest things I have ever heard in my life! It just goes to show you - the cleaning gene is either there or it's not. But I tell you what - if one is not a clean freak to start with, and then gets yelled at or worse, the silent treatment from a clean freak family member, you can kiss any possibility at cleaning goodbye!

    In Patsy's case, I would say the cleaning gene was NOT there...She was a Messy for sure, even with the help of a maid who came every other day. But then she also had the "To the Manor Born" syndrome - someone else could pick up after Burke's whittling mess, for example.

    I do wonder if the dust on JonBenet's feet (if there were any) would have come from the blanket she was wrapped in, or the basement floor.

    I don't suppose we could ask Chief Kolar about this?
    Cleaning has always soothed me. (I know, right?) I put on my fave composer (Chopin) or Sixties Rock. I also work out problems when cleaning or get my mind off things.
    You are right about Patsy. She definitely thought of herself as being of a higher class than LHP. No woman should leave her handbag for her housekeeper to vacuum out! Patsy left EVERYTHING for LHP. She said they whole family was messy- the lid was never put back on a jar, clothes were dropped on the floor right where they were taken off (even the poopy ones, apparently). I believe there WAS lint found on the bottom of JB's feet. And yes, it would have given an idea of the last place she was standing. The wine cellar had a coating of whitish mold on the concrete, a common thing on uncured, unsealed concrete basements. Had THIS been found, we'd know for sure that she had been alive in that room. Same for the basement fibers. Then we would know for sure that she had been awake and alive and in that basement - UNLIKE what her parents said- that they carried her asleep to her bed and never saw her again. Sadly- I do not think I ever saw where LE actually tried to match the lint to any areas of the home. And- that home was sold so quickly after the crime- and completely whitewashed (every carpet pulled up, every wall repainted white, all wallpaper pulled off) that the opportunity to do so was forever taken away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    I've always thought that this dust and lint evidence is one of the most important pieces of evidence in this case outside of the pineapple and ransom note. If there was, indeed, dust and lint on the soles of JBR's feet,
    then, it would give LE a huge clue as to where JBR was standing last, or shortly before, being struck.
    I've always wondered if this is one of the
    reasons ST was trying to find some object in JBR's bathroom that could
    have caused the head wound.

    I'm, also, convinced that, if there was ample dust on the sole of JBR's feet, then, it's a cinch that the longjohns were not placed on, or taken off of, JBR after first blow.
    I do agree on BBM. Even more, IMO the dust analysis should be going further than soles of her feet. When head blow happened, JBR should fall right away on some kind of surface. Granted, these two surfaces (on which she STANDS and on which she FALL) could be different. For example, prior the head blow, she could stand on the wood floor and after the head blow - her front torso could hit carpet/rug area. Regardless, the proper analysis of the dust from her soles AND front torso should tell the story.

    Especially, if her front torso has fibers/dust in addition to fibers/dust from the blanket and the carpet from basement....Would be very much interesting to get our hands on this 40-page dust report, isn't? Just wondering, where this report is right now: property of BPD, or FBI, or it lays on the shelf in originator's lab?...hmmmmm

    jmo

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    The following link has been obtained from Skip Palenik Microtrace LLC site:

    http://www.microtracescientific.com/...une/ramsey.htm

    Elgin forensic scientist aids Ramsey case

    By George Houde
    Special to the Tribune (original web link)
    Published August 25, 2006

    Skip Palenik knew something was up when a police detective from Boulder, Colo., called his Elgin lab about retrieving a sample in a murder case.

    It was evidence from the JonBenet Ramsey saga that Palenik, who owns and operates Microtrace, a forensic research laboratory, had custody of for nearly 10 years, receiving it in the aftermath of the 6-year-old girl's murder.

    What was up was the arrest of John Mark Karr, a teacher working in Thailand who implicated himself in JonBenet's death. Karr was returned to the U.S., waived extradition in a California courtroom this week and arrived in Boulder on Thursday.

    Using an array of microscopes, Palenik delves into the secrets held by the tiniest bits of debris left at a crime scene. In the Ramsey case, it was evidence taken from her body.

    "I examined the particles left behind on her clothing," he said. "It was just a very small sample, picked up by evidence technicians using tape."

    Palenik, 60, wrote a report about the particles, which he declined to discuss because of the case. The report went to the Boulder County district attorney's office and the Boulder Police Department in 1997 and Palenik hadn't heard back until the call this month from Detective Tom Trujillo.

    "You want to see what happened in the contact, who she may have been in contact with at the time," Palenik said. JonBenet was found strangled in her home on Dec. 26, 1996.

    Boulder Deputy Police Chief David Hayes said Palenik also has helped the department investigate the unsolved 1983 slaying of Sid Wells, a University of Colorado student who was dating Robert Redford's daughter.

    "He has done some work for us on the [Ramsey] case," Hayes said. "He provided us with expertise and guidance which was very helpful in both cases. He was on the leading edge of a lot of this stuff."

    Boulder authorities and Palenik were brought together by the late Walter McCrone, a Chicago forensic scientist who was Palenik's mentor. McCrone may be most famous for debunking the Shroud of Turin and was a master of forensic investigation, Palenik said.

    The unassuming Palenik, a former intelligence analyst in the Army, has helped in dozens of famous cases, from the Green River murders near Seattle to the crash of Swissair Flight 111 in 1998. He has taught hundreds of forensic students, lectured across the country, and is well known in crime investigation circles, but he remains a behind-the-scenes figure.

    "I'm not generally known to the public," he said.

    His case list is a different story. Palenik worked on the Atlanta child murders, the Martin Luther King murder re-investigation and the Jaclyn Dowaliby and Jeanine Nicarico cases. He also works on civil cases, often analyzing material in corporate thefts or plane crashes.

    Located in an office building on Elgin's west side, Palenik's laboratory of technological equipment supplements what he bases much of his reports on: logic, reasoning and scientific fact based on observation.

    For guidance, he points to one of his favorite literary figures: Edgar Allan Poe.

    "All you have to do to find out the principles of modern crime investigation is read Poe, especially `The Purloined Letter,' `Murders in the Rue Morgue' and `The Mystery of Marie Roget.' It's all right there," Palenik said. "Those will tell you more about crime investigation than the `CSI' show."

    Palenik scoffed at TV's version of how murders are solved, saying he rarely goes to crime scenes. "I can't stand to watch those shows," he said.

    A graduate of St. Rita High School and the University of Illinois at Chicago, Palenik said he has been studying the world through a microscope since he got one for his 8th birthday.

    "The microscope wasn't very good, but there was a book with it that had this section on being a vacuum cleaner detective," he said. Palenik began examining the contents of the household vacuum bag.

    Although he maintains a dispassionate attitude about his work in examining clothes worn by slaying victims, the child murders disturb him.

    "These child murder cases are horrible, especially if there is sexual assault or torture," Palenik said. "You consider the child's last moments on Earth, and you can hardly bring yourself to think about it."
    P.S. Too bad to learn that Mr.Palenik has not much material to learn from: I examined the particles left behind on her clothing. It was just a very small sample, picked up by evidence technicians using tape'...no wonder why this case is still 'unsolved'!!!!!!...(makes me very angry...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpenMind4U View Post
    I do agree on BBM. Even more, IMO the dust analysis should be going further than soles of her feet. When head blow happened, JBR should fall right away on some kind of surface. Granted, these two surfaces (on which she STANDS and on which she FALL) could be different. For example, prior the head blow, she could stand on the wood floor and after the head blow - her front torso could hit carpet/rug area. Regardless, the proper analysis of the dust from her soles AND front torso should tell the story.

    Especially, if her front torso has fibers/dust in addition to fibers/dust from the blanket and the carpet from basement....Would be very much interesting to get our hands on this 40-page dust report, isn't? Just wondering, where this report is right now: property of BPD, or FBI, or it lays on the shelf in originator's lab?...hmmmmm

    jmo
    According to the article, LE asked for it, from the Dust Detective, when JMK
    was arrested. That makes me wonder if they used it to refute some of Karr's story or checked it against what he said.

    At any rate, like you, I'd sure like to read the analysis of that dust and lint, where it came from, where it was located, etc. Hopefully, Kolar, someday, can tell us if he saw the report, etc.



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