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    Bless your heart, Elle, you are such a gift to this forum. Whatever we write, you are there to encourage us. I hope you know how much your support means to me.

    As for copyright protection: I wrote it, therefore I own it, and it's published here with a date, so I'm not worried about that. I also saved it in my files, so if someone steals it and makes a movie from it, then I can sue and woohoo! The drinks are on me!
    Thank you, KK. I was revved up after I read what you had posted because the truth was written all over it. You appear to be on a roll this week! More power to you, girl!

    I'm more than pleased to read about about the copyright protection. I have seen personal notes added to posts relating to this.
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    Yes, that's the nut of it all, really.

    I've been doing a little research on something I never knew about before, not in any cogent way, at least, but now think it may truly explain how this case was so quickly buried, probably before 911 was ever called.

    I recently had an "Aha!" moment when watching that George Clooney movie for the third or fourth time: Michael Clayton. I saw it a couple of years ago when it first came out on DVD, but it's one of those movies where you don't really know what's happening until the very end. Because the "legal/corporate" world depicted in it is so foreign to me, I was more confused than anything the first run through. So that's why it didn't "dawn" on me then.

    But the movie has been on TV now and again, and I've watched parts of it as I came across it sometimes. Then a couple of weeks ago I sat down and watched it in full, and knowing the "players" in it and their names and positions and the plot, I finally followed it all the way through. That's when it made complete sense for me: the protagonist, Michael Clayton, is a "fixer" for a large, powerful law firm, and he's actually called in to "fix" a mess one of the law firm's partners has gotten himself into because he's bipolar and having a manic episode.

    Then came the revelation: the "fixer" is not actually fiction, it's a real position law firms actually hire lawyers to fill, lawyers who in fact are "middle men" who bring in "others" to clean up whatever mess some high powered company exec has gotten him/herself into. Then I remembered that Quinton Tarentino movie, Pulp Fiction, and realized that a character in that movie was also a "fixer". (It's a very bloody movie, btw, so don't watch it to see this fictional guy unless you have a very strong constitution.)

    Well, those are movies, of course, and for all I knew, it was all made up stuff. So of course...GOOGLE! And I found some sites that in fact do discuss this position in law firms. It's not that open a topic, as this is obviously something the rich and powerful don't advertise, do they? And especially not the law firms they pay lots of money to hide just such things.

    Now imagine Lockheed Martin: one of the most powerful defense contractors in the world, does anyone really believe that with all the military weaponry they build and sell worldwide, no one ever goes astray?

    Oh, they go astray, all right. Lockheed Martin was in fact in trouble in the 1990s for some illegal dealings and they got caught, too. It took something like 10 years for it all to play out on the international stage, but they actually were exposed for it.

    You know, I'll look some of this stuff back up for you, as it's been a long time since I read all of this, so my memory is vague. Suffice it to say that I'm now pondering who might have been the "fixer" in the Ramsey house that night. Not "physically" there, but on the phone, guiding, consulting? And that's why those phone records were never subpoenaed, and one cell phone record, "turned over" by Team Ramsey A YEAR LATER, for the month of Dec. '96 had not one call on it the whole month, and no one in Boulder LE has ever seen the months before or after--well, not related to this case, anyway.

    Remember Patsy told that wild story to LE about that phone being lost that was so obviously a bunch of lies, so full of silly "details" it takes a really gullible person to even imagine there's any truth to it. Now imagine if LE--as in Smit working for Hunter--or even Team Ramsey were actually LOOKING for an intruder/child killer, they'd NEVAH think to GO AFTER that cell phone and its records in case the INTRUDER actually found it and used it and that could be THE LEAD they so publicly said they wanted. Who would buy that? A MORON could figure out tracking those phone records MIGHT be important! But NOT ONE PERSON in the DA's Office or on Team Ramsey, not even Lou "Legend in his own mind" Smit, not all those "brilliant" investigators through 14 years has ever thought, oh, maybe we should look at THE MISSING/LOST CELL PHONE RECORDS. All these years later, and NOT ONE INVESTIGATOR OR MEMBER OF TEAM RAMSEY HAS SAID, GET THOSE RECORDS AND INVESTIGATE!

    Only Steve Thomas has ever even brought it up. Does that make sense to ANYONE looking for the ACTUAL TRUTH in this case?

    Spade told us there was a trail leading all the way to the White House stopping the phone records from being subpoenaed. Since Spade never would/could tell us his source, and since most of us live in a world where that's not something we can fathom without proof, I've never been able to say, oh, that's it! But most of what Spade revealed to us in this case turned out to be spot on. And we do know that Haddon was linked to the White House as counsel to powerful Washington politicians--Gary Hart? Bill Clinton? (Sorry, I'll have to look that up again, as well.) Bynum, who worked for Access Graphics and therefore Lockheed Martin, did call Haddon's firm pronto. Within HOURS of the body being found, Bynum put that critical connection in place and PIs were on the ground getting "statements" from witnesses by the next day, the Ramseys had separate lawyers within days, and neither were talking to LE about anything by the evening of Dec. 26th.

    I will always believe Hunter was working with Team Ramsey all along, because I will never stop being astonished that he not only blocked the collection of the Ramsey phone records and clothing early on, but he hired Smit and other future Team Ramsey private detectives, giving them the PowerPoint which in fact belonged to the People because Smit created it from case evidence while working for Hunter, and then went on the record defending the Ramseys before it was all over.

    Steve Thomas going public with his resignation letter forced the Governor's hand, but all the Governor did was hand it back to Hunter with one difference--Hunter was ordered to hire a special prosecutor, and Michael Kane was the lawyer who almost ruined Team Ramsey's plan. But Hunter easily managed to subvert the Grand Jury--it was always going to be Hunter's decision, after all--and hand Smit the weapon that would destroy the case for good, and here we are.

    Alex Hunter is the poster child for corruption of government at the level of the court system, IMO. I will always believe that Lockheed Martin was the power that ran this injustice train.

    And now I know that our government is as corrupt as every other country in the world has known for decades. We, the People, are just the last to know. I recently heard an author speak while promoting a book, a woman of international experience, knowledge, and expertise (whose name, of course, I can't remember...sigh) who said, in answer to a question about corruption in government, "First, it's a given that all governments are corrupt...." Of course, I thought, how did I never figure this out until now?

    Talk about S L O W....

    Look, these are just my thoughts, and I know nothing, except that it's hard to believe with all the evidence against the Ramseys that they just got "lucky" for so many years with so many DAs in Boulder working so hard NOT to prosecute this murder, magically rendering it unprosecutable for all time.

    So now I find myself wondering: who was "the fixer" in this case? The behind-the-scenes, invisible hand guiding players into place, manipulating them...? Bynum? Someone whose name we don't know?

    Bravo! Everything you said is true. I've always said "the fix" was in early. I've just never thought about there being an actual "fixer." I've always believed Hunter, Haddon, Bynum (and a bunch of other powerful people behind the scenes) were in on the Ramsey deal. If it hadn't been for Steve Thomas, we would never have known about the corruption in the case. And now you've got me thinking, Hunter going after Fleet White with the deranged Mystery Woman was payback (and a warning) for the Whites not backing the Ramseys. No wonder Fleet White is keeping his mouth shut. He understands too well the powerful forces arrayed against him if he tells what he knows. His only protection for himself and his family is silence.

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    I'm posting this stuff because it shows how powerful LM really is at the government level and has been for at least half a century. Does anyone doubt that LM could have stepped in "behind the scenes" to influence the events in Boulder on Dec. 26th, 1996? John Ramsey was an executive for their company who worked in what we know to be a highly sensitive area: computer programming, which would involve encryption, highly sensitive company and therefore gov't. defense secrets, etc.

    Does anyone here really think that neither John nor Patsy would have known anything about the dangers of kidnapping, foreign factions, and the Ft. Worth, Texas bribery scandal that Lockheed got caught in that was so huge it changed American law and is written in business textbooks? Think they never heard about it while Patsy accompanied John to Texas that summer--on a business trip if memory serves?

    Believe it: there is no end to how a corp. such as Lockheed ends up with billions in U.S. and international defense contracts--many of them now in the obviously dominant 21st century COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY business, since defense is as dependent upon it as the rest of us. Remember Access Graphics, anyone?

    I could post these articles all day. There is no end to this corp. intrigue nor was this left behind in the last century with the FCPA--the act passed in 1977 under Pres. Jimmy Carter, who was soundly defeated in the next election by--TEXAS REPUBLICAN GEORGE BUSH--remember Lockheed's division in FT. WORTH that led up to the--Foreign Corrupt Practices Act? (Can I get any more cynical?) Foreign Faction, anyone?

    Here's a recent scandal involving illegal political donations, and there LM is in the middle of it--out of reach, legally speaking, but there, none the less, and does anyone believe the company didn't benefit from "contracts" awarded, whether it can be nailed or not?

    Lobbyist Paul Magliocchetti charged with making illegal campaign contributions

    By Laurie Bennett
    August 6, 2010 at 8:51am

    A former lobbyist was arrested Thursday on charges of making hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal campaign contributions.

    Paul Magliocchetti, owner of the now-closed PMA Group, appeared in federal court in Alexandria, VA, and was released on a $2 million bond.

    Magliocchetti is accused of bypassing federal limits on campaign contributions by funneling money through straw donors, including family members, employees and acquaintances.

    According to the indictment, he allegedly issued personal and corporate checks to people who then donated the money to political candidates and committees. The ruse extended as far as two people who lived near his Florida vacation home, who were designated as PMA board members.

    The lobby shop closed after Magliocchetti’s home and office were raided by federal agents in November 2008. His son, Mark Magliocchetti, pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor Thursday, admitting that he had made more than $120,000 in illegal contributions.

    The elder Magliocchetti served as an aide to the late John Murtha, former chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee. PMA catered to defense contractors, including Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics.

    The indictment says that the illegal campaign donations were designed to increase “the firm’s influence,
    power, and prestige - both among the firm’s base of current and potential clients as well as
    among the elected public officials to whom PMA and its lobbyists sought access.”

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    To see a graphic illustration just click below:

    http://news.muckety.com/2010/08/06/l...ibutions/27511
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post

    Bravo! Everything you said is true. I've always said "the fix" was in early. I've just never thought about there being an actual "fixer." I've always believed Hunter, Haddon, Bynum (and a bunch of other powerful people behind the scenes) were in on the Ramsey deal. If it hadn't been for Steve Thomas, we would never have known about the corruption in the case. And now you've got me thinking, Hunter going after Fleet White with the deranged Mystery Woman was payback (and a warning) for the Whites not backing the Ramseys. No wonder Fleet White is keeping his mouth shut. He understands too well the powerful forces arrayed against him if he tells what he knows. His only protection for himself and his family is silence.
    I know what you mean: the "fixer" was news to me, too. George Clooney, bless his lovely heart, does these movies that are based on middle men in corrupt corporate/gov't. agencies that leave you thinking, what the heck? They're finally not entertainment, but education, it turns out. He did one about arms trading, as well, that left me stunned: http://syrianamovie.warnerbros.com/about.html

    The Whites might have had the same reaction I did when Hunter's fate was sealed this past summer: no court on earth could have delivered a worse punishment. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, and it should give us all pause and a good, long look into our own sins which will be visited upon our children. For I have no doubt that the corruption which Hunter has woven into his very soul led to the series of events and conditions that destroyed his son in the end. When you keep whittling away at the line between truth and deception, one day you look and it's not there anymore. What a tangled web we do weave...and Hunter wove his own.

    So I'll see what I can find on "fixers" for us and post it later, as I have to go now. If anyone else wants to jump in: the water is cold and the hell is hot, but the devil doesn't hang out in heaven.

    Just remember, if I turn up dead, it wasn't suicide!
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    Thank you, KK. I was revved up after I read what you had posted because the truth was written all over it. You appear to be on a roll this week! More power to you, girl!

    I'm more than pleased to read about about the copyright protection. I have seen personal notes added to posts relating to this.
    It never hurts to use a copyright note, but professionals know copyright laws very well, and anyone who goes to the trouble to "steal" an idea does, too. "Ignorance" doesn't hold up in court anyway.

    I've been researching this stuff for years, Elle, as far as Lockheed. I don't post much about it because it's a topic that goes dead in the water, for the most part. There's no way to prove any of this, for one thing. So I make sure I state it's just my thoughts, opinions, etc., as I'm only working off of pure theory based in logic and the stunning revelation Thomas gave us that Hunter obstructed the routine collection of evidence by LE.

    But it's a conspiracy theory, isn't it? Not too popular, because we do not want to believe that those who are supposed to be protecting us and are well paid to do so, who have taken oaths and present themselves as arbiters of truth and justice and Democracy, are in fact nothing but profiteers and corrupt down to their black hearts. Their loyalty is sold on the black market daily.

    Imagine how many people have died from these weapons sold by these Lords of War. Imagine the pits of inhumanity in which these death merchants exist.

    One molested and murdered child--wouldn't even create a blip on their radar, IMO.

    But for the unbridled wild horse of the Internet and the Ramsey-hated free speech John would have stopped in its tracks if he could have, I doubt we'd even remember the name of JonBenet Ramsey after an initial Christmas season/slow news day report.

    To think! The power of Lockheed Martin exec. John Ramsey thwarted by one lowly detective with a conscience, Steve Thomas, and BEER CAN COLLECTORS on the Internet!

    I love that. I really do.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Will we ever know the true horrors she went through on that long Christmas night 14 years ago?

    I still hold out hope that her murderer will some day be exposed and prosecuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    It never hurts to use a copyright note, but professionals know copyright laws very well, and anyone who goes to the trouble to "steal" an idea does, too. "Ignorance" doesn't hold up in court anyway.

    I've been researching this stuff for years, Elle, as far as Lockheed. I don't post much about it because it's a topic that goes dead in the water, for the most part. There's no way to prove any of this, for one thing. So I make sure I state it's just my thoughts, opinions, etc., as I'm only working off of pure theory based in logic and the stunning revelation Thomas gave us that Hunter obstructed the routine collection of evidence by LE.

    But it's a conspiracy theory, isn't it? Not too popular, because we do not want to believe that those who are supposed to be protecting us and are well paid to do so, who have taken oaths and present themselves as arbiters of truth and justice and Democracy, are in fact nothing but profiteers and corrupt down to their black hearts. Their loyalty is sold on the black market daily.

    Imagine how many people have died from these weapons sold by these Lords of War. Imagine the pits of inhumanity in which these death merchants exist.

    One molested and murdered child--wouldn't even create a blip on their radar, IMO.

    But for the unbridled wild horse of the Internet and the Ramsey-hated free speech John would have stopped in its tracks if he could have, I doubt we'd even remember the name of JonBenet Ramsey after an initial Christmas season/slow news day report.

    To think! The power of Lockheed Martin exec. John Ramsey thwarted by one lowly detective with a conscience, Steve Thomas, and BEER CAN COLLECTORS on the Internet!

    I love that. I really do.
    I can see you have been deeply involved with this Lockhheed Martin information by all you have written, KK, and I agree with all you're saying here. Even although your posts are just your own thoughts, I sincerely hope no harm will come to you because of them.

    I saw George Clooney in "Michael Clayton" a few months ago. It was an excellent moviie. He is a terrific actor and good to look at too It's amazing the corruption which goes on in these huge business companies. I would like to watch this movie again. I'll look for it in the stores and buy it.

    Three cheers for Steve Thomas! He will always be highly thought of for his courage in speaking out. I believe him too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    That is correct. A body will "bruise" after death, but it is not the same kind of bruising as in life. The postmortem bruising is caused by decomposition, as the blood vessels disintegrate and "bleed out". There is no swelling per se postmortem either, but bloating from gas buildup occurs, also from bacterial action related to decomposition. A coroner or any medical examiner can tell the difference.
    NOTHING indicates she was suspended. John Walsh is a good man, but he wasn't there to see JB in situ in the WC. She was "found" approx 12 hours after she died. By that time, livor mortis patterns are well formed and fixed, and had she been suspended, the livor patterns indicating that would still be visible.
    Instead, the livor patterns indicate she was placed on her back within 15 minutes or so of dying (during the period that livor was UNfixed or blanching), and left on her back in the WC, and not moved from that position till she was brought up.
    Thank you. That explains a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    It never hurts to use a copyright note, but professionals know copyright laws very well, and anyone who goes to the trouble to "steal" an idea does, too. "Ignorance" doesn't hold up in court anyway.

    I've been researching this stuff for years, Elle, as far as Lockheed. I don't post much about it because it's a topic that goes dead in the water, for the most part. There's no way to prove any of this, for one thing. So I make sure I state it's just my thoughts, opinions, etc., as I'm only working off of pure theory based in logic and the stunning revelation Thomas gave us that Hunter obstructed the routine collection of evidence by LE.

    But it's a conspiracy theory, isn't it? Not too popular, because we do not want to believe that those who are supposed to be protecting us and are well paid to do so, who have taken oaths and present themselves as arbiters of truth and justice and Democracy, are in fact nothing but profiteers and corrupt down to their black hearts. Their loyalty is sold on the black market daily.

    Imagine how many people have died from these weapons sold by these Lords of War. Imagine the pits of inhumanity in which these death merchants exist.

    One molested and murdered child--wouldn't even create a blip on their radar, IMO.

    But for the unbridled wild horse of the Internet and the Ramsey-hated free speech John would have stopped in its tracks if he could have, I doubt we'd even remember the name of JonBenet Ramsey after an initial Christmas season/slow news day report.

    To think! The power of Lockheed Martin exec. John Ramsey thwarted by one lowly detective with a conscience, Steve Thomas, and BEER CAN COLLECTORS on the Internet!

    I love that. I really do.
    I have searched and can not find info about Lockheed Martin in the past that I have posted. In the back of my head, I have always felt uneasy about the involvement there. Powerful company, lost phone records, bad reputation and the whole nine yards. There was a fixer. We all knew that from the get go. After the incident, was he not basically banished? Remember when he tried to run for office in some state? can't recall now. But Tricia knew and called them on it. He wasn't much after this. He isn't nothing now. But what did they hide and need to? A mom or son that took a life of a baby or a sister? Protection is the name of the game. What happened?
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    What I find sad is the fact that no one really talked in their defense. Not Aunt Pam, not Grandpa Pugh or Nedra. But defend them. Heck, what am I thinking. They did not even defend themselves, did they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeJame View Post
    What I find sad is the fact that no one really talked in their defense. Not Aunt Pam, not Grandpa Pugh or Nedra. But defend them. Heck, what am I thinking. They did not even defend themselves, did they?
    I don't think it was necessary for them to do one single thing JJ. Everything had been so well taken care of by the Master himself, Lin Wood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    I don't think it was necessary for them to do one single thing JJ. Everything had been so well taken care of by the Master himself, Lin Wood.
    I agree
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