Susan Stine: Where is She Now? and The Patricia Letters

[YumYum012]

I thought I remembered that Susan Stine had impersonated Beckner in emails, and I wondered whether she has been caught in other shady dealings (Or suspected in dirty deeds) since then. I remember that in the early forum days, many (included moi) believed that Stine and Patsy shared the Jambo hat with others, and posted at the BNF and J-7 under various hats. Nothing was ever proved.

Anything I've missed in my absence? The author of the piece below might be an interesting person to talk to about Stine.

Here's a RMN article regarding the emails:


[i]Ramsey friend fakes e-mails
Atlanta woman sends letters, claims to be police chief
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News - June 4, 2003

Boulder police have ordered a Ramsey family friend to stop sending bogus e-mails that claim to be from Chief Mark Beckner.
The authorities sent Susan Stine a letter saying the e-mails had been traced to her computer and pointing out that under Colorado law, criminal impersonation is a felony and impersonating a police officer is a misdemeanor.
Beckner said Tuesday he was "alarmed" by the series of e-mails from the address becknerbpd@hotmail.com to people affiliated with the investigation into the 1996 murder of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.
Beckner said some of the e-mails were "nonsensical" and clearly not from him but that others could constitute criminal impersonation.
Stine of Atlanta, a close friend of John and Patsy Ramsey, JonBenet's parents, said she sent the "clearly phony" e-mails as a joke that no reasonable person would take seriously.
"The e-mails were sent in an attempt to be humorous and satirical," Stine said in a telephone interview.
"There was never an intent to mislead anyone. In the main, these were private e-mails. I would be shocked if any reasonable person would have thought this was a real e-mail from the real Chief Beckner."
The investigation began April 25, after Rocky Mountain News reporter Charlie Brennan received an e-mail signed "Mark" that praised his stories.
Brennan called Beckner questioning whether he sent the e-mail. Beckner then became concerned that others were receiving phoney e-mail messages.
Investigators executed a search warrant for MSN Hotmail records in California and found that the account was established in 2000 under the name "Chief Beckner."
Police determined that Stine had been accessing the becknerbpd@hotmail.com address through an Internet provider in Georgia.
One e-mail signed "Mark" was purportedly from Beckner to former Detective Steve Thomas: "Steve, I know we've had our differences in the past, but I want you to know I'm behind you all the way in this B.S. lawsuit the Ramseys filed, as are others here. I'm sure (Ramsey attorney Lin) Wood is bluffing. . . . Call me and let me know what I can do to help. Remember: truth is on our side. (Signed) Mark."
Thomas' response: "Thanks for the message, (and nice try), but Beckner doesn't sound anything like that."
"At this point, we've decided not to file charges," Beckner said. "That doesn't preclude us from doing so in the future."
Stine said she had already sent Beckner an apology - by e-mail, of course.
"Sure, I knew they were traceable," she said of the e-mails. "It was just a joke. I'm a very funny person."

06/05/2003
Police: Stop e-mails
The Associated Press
BOULDER — Police have warned an Atlanta woman to stop sending e-mails about the JonBenet Ramsey case that purport to be from police Chief Mark Beckner.
The woman said the e-mails were obviously phony and meant as a joke. Police said Tuesday that Susan Stine sent e-mails from becknerbpd@hotmail.com to people affiliated with the investigation into the unsolved 1996 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet.
Beckner said some of the messages were clearly phony but others could constitute criminal impersonation."


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[Skigwy]

Seriously, where the hell is she? Does anyone know? I mean, I haven't been sleeping. I got a big barking dog, I got all doors deadbolted & all windows latched, and the security system is armed & set on 'loud'...

Where is she? Has she committed suicide or been arrested on an unrelated charge?


...going to recharge stungun now.

[RiverRat]

jameson
Member since 5-8-02
06-30-06, 11:03 AM (EST)

"Patsy's visitation"

I went to the visitation on Wednesday night. The funeral home was not far from the Marietta Square and I parked some distance away so I could walk and gather my thoughts before and after going to see Patsy for the last time.
When I went in, there was a book to sign, then a long wait in line to see John and the children. While in line, I could see into the main room. I recognized a lot of people. John, Burke, John Andrew and his wife. I could see Pam and Paulette. Susan Stine came by and we spoke briefly. I recognized one friend of Patsy's from a visit to the cemetary with Patsy - we cleaned up the site. I could see Lin Wood and Lou Smit, Ollie Grey and so many others. Many Colorado people there.

After greeting John and the family, a very good greeting, I approached the casket. Some would later say Patsy looked great but I didn't think so. To me, she looked like someone who had suffered so much... I was glad her spirit was not left in that shell but had gone on to that better place.
I firmly believe she is with JonBenet and Nedra and Sherry and other good people. I refuse to mourn her passing as she has finished a difficult life and is now in a far better one. I know Patsy didn't want anyone to mourn her death but to celebrate her life. Maybe feel they had touched their lives in a positive way. I would remember her, not mourn her.

I stayed at the visitation for quite awhile - speaking to people about Patsy's life and death. It is a fact that in the weeks before her death she had an unexpected burst of activity, productivity. She had completed 18 paintings. New paintings that were much like her work before the murder - - very different from those she did in the first years after the murder. (More on the paintings later.)

I spoke to people about the upcoming anniversary and the projects being considered or worked on.

I spoke to some about the investigation and how it is all but stalled. So sad. Unsolved - and that saddened Patsy. She repeatedly asked investigators to get the killer while she was alive to see it.

My walk back to my car was nice. No evidence of press, just a nice evening walk in downtown Marietta. I was glad I had come down to offer comfort and support to Patsy's family.

The next day would be a busy one. I would have to check out of my hotel room (if indeed I could find it again that night). Traffic in the area is TERRIBLE so I would want to find the church in Roswell before we went for breakfast. I still hadn't been given the directions to the reception, no one had. I went back to the room, and my son and I went out to dinner. It was a long day. But I am sure it was longer for the family. My heart went out to them.

[Barbara]

Ah, a thread that I have to be careful about posting on, as Susan Stine has always raised a gazillion red flags for me. Something very wrong with the whole Stine picture/relationship

Once again, a Ramsey pardon IMO. Where else but Boulder and what other case other than Ramsey, could ANY citizen impersonate a police offficer in e mails and get away with it with a little slap on the wrist? What if she had been sending letters through the USPS "joking" that she was Beckner? Would the postal service be so forgiving? I think not. Only in this case does the unthinkable become a "joke" or be so peripherally an issue. I thought the stunt was pretty serious personally, but seemingly, was in the minority. But in Boulder, all my opinions seem to be the minority.

We haven't heard much of SS since the Ramseys left Atlanta. We heard no mention of SS attending the funeral either. Wasn't she considered one of the Ramseys true inner circle (when she wasn't, prior to the murder I might add)? I wonder if there was a falling out.

There is no doubt that SS posted and possibly still does, but I don't think anyone cared enough to try and prove it. She is an underhanded, sleezy person who showed herself to be nothing more than a thug of sorts. This is the person who was Patsy's pit bull. This is the person that Susan Bennett blames for the mean spiritedness of Patsy during their cruel practical jokes because Patsy was medicated and didn't know any better. Yeah, okay

Back to the e mails. She's a funny person? I wonder how funny the reporter's wife thought she was when SS called her and told her she was the reporter's mistress. I know Patsy just thought that was the funniest thing ever and wrote bragging about it in DOI. By the way, Jameson's defense of Patsy being drugged and not knowing any better is negated because when Patsy was writing her DOI self serving book, she made particular mention of how wonderfully humorous the whole thing was. Was she still medicated? Again, I think not. Just another attempt to mask the mean streak Patsy absolutely had.

The Stines kinda fell off the face of the earth in all Ramsey issues after the Beckner thing. I don't know that anyone speaks of them anymore. For that, there is a reason and nobody's talking.

Edited to add:

I read Jameson's story and find her stories and accounts less than credible.

I am one of those people that fails to believe anything a proven liar and lunatic says until I hear it from other real credible sources. I would believe SS was there sooner than I would believe Jameson was there.

Maybe an overreaction at this point with Jameson, but that's my own issue with liars such as she.

For me, I still don't know for sure if SS or Jameson attended.

[Elle_1]

Police determined that Stine had been accessing the becknerbpd@hotmail.com address through an Internet provider in Georgia.
One e-mail signed "Mark" was purportedly from Beckner to former Detective Steve Thomas: "Steve, I know we've had our differences in the past, but I want you to know I'm behind you all the way in this B.S. lawsuit the Ramseys filed, as are others here. I'm sure (Ramsey attorney Lin) Wood is bluffing. . . . Call me and let me know what I can do to help. Remember: truth is on our side. (Signed) Mark."
Thomas' response: "Thanks for the message, (and nice try), but Beckner doesn't sound anything like that."
"At this point, we've decided not to file charges," Beckner said. "That doesn't preclude us from doing so in the future."
Stine said she had already sent Beckner an apology - by e-mail, of course.
"Sure, I knew they were traceable," she said of the e-mails. "It was just a joke. I'm a very funny person."

I'm totally baffled that all this stupid woman got was a slap on the wrist for impersonating Police Chief Mark Beckner. What message does this send to the sick pranksters out there?

[Little]

Oh yes, the Susan Stine issue. One of those that makes you just shake your head in disbelief that someone can be so twisted that they can find humor in interfering in the homicide investigation of "their dear friend's daughter". I'll bet she's a regular hoot at a 5 alarm fire, especially if there are any fatalities. She's your gal!

Barbara - I'm match your gazillion red flags and raise you a low-class parasite. Yep - SS sure helped her friends to forget all about the dead child in their basement with her antics - what a gal!

Too bad she didn't get to star in the jail house follies - she would have brought the house down! The rest of the criminals would have been as entertained as John was.

When the Ramseys moved into the Boulder home of friends Glen and Susan Stine, one tabloid publication convinced neighbors who disliked the Stines to allow reporters to use their house as a base of operations. A video camera was set up in a front window, taping the unwitting Ramseys as they came and went.

National Enquirer reporters grabbed the Stines' trash, gleaning scraps of information on the Ramseys such as the name of their psychiatrist, the kinds of anti-depressants they'd been prescribed, and other leads about their activities.

One day in February 1997, the Stines struck back at the press when Globe reporter Ken Harrell tried a more direct approach. Instead of parking up the street like other reporters, he walked straight up, knocked on the Stines front door and asked to speak with the Ramseys. Susan Stine, who is sometimes called "Patsy's pit bull," opened the door a crack and asked to see his identification. As Harrell held up his wallet to show her his ID, Mrs. Stine grabbed it and slammed the door in his face. She then called the police to report a "stalker" at the front door. Officers arrived to find Harrell agitated to a degree that he indeed bore some resemblance to a crazed stalker. They put him on the ground and handcuffed him, before they realized how Mrs. Stine had contrived the situation.

John Ramsey, who was in the house when the incident occurred, later laughed about how Mrs. Stine handled the Globe reporter. At an employee meeting at the offices of his company, Access Graphics, Ramsey brought up the episode as an example of how to deal with the news media. Diane Hallis, who worked at Access Graphics, recalls that John Ramsey would look out the third floor windows of the offices trying to spot reporters. "He hated them," she says. "His anger was directed toward the media, but never toward the killer. He never mentioned the killer."
Source: http://thehistoryvault.tripod.com/02...gfrenzy-bw.htm

TWENTY MINUTES EARLIER

This is what the "doomed" parents of JonBenet Ramsey tell us in their book Death of Innocence.
From the beginning it's been a game of cat and mouse.
A very deadly game, but a game none the less.

From the book,
"THE DEATH OF INNOCENCE"

"One of the tabloids came out with a picture of the Stines and John and me standing on the upper deck of the house with wine glasses in hand, enjoying the view. The caption under the photo said in effect, that we were celebrating our escape from the police. We broke into laughter as we heard about the story, because we realized that the photographer who took the rather docile picture of us relaxing with wine glasses had missed the jackpot photo of the century, had he arrived twenty minutes earlier."

Note: I don't know what tabloid Patsy Ramsey refers to here.
The caption under the photo above that appeared in Vanity Fair Magazine reads as follows:
"MORNING PEOPLE"
"Patsy and John Ramsey with their loyal friend Susan and glen Stine, at the Ramseys' summer home in Charlevoix, Michigan, last June."

"Susan Stine and John had been out on the deck, joking about setting up a machine-gun turret to pick off the paparazzi if the crawled through our bushes. It was always good to laugh at our problems when we could. Stored in the house was a collector's 12 gage shotgun that my dad had given John; we had never fired it. Jokingly, John brought the gun out on the deck and was standing there, playfully aiming it toward the water. Susan had said she needed a gun, so John gave her one!"

"However, he quickly put the gun away, realizing that photographers might be lurking somewhere within camera range. If the tabloids had gotten a picture of John with that shotgun, to telling what kind of headline and accompanying story they would have run. Whoever was sneaking around out there with his zoom lens was just twenty minutes too late!"

Source: http://ruthees_library.tripod.com/shotgun.html

[Barbara]

Originally Posted by Little

Oh yes, the Susan Stine issue. One of those that makes you just shake your head in disbelief that someone can be so twisted that they can find humor in interfering in the homicide investigation of "their dear friend's daughter". I'll bet she's a regular hoot at a 5 alarm fire, especially if there are any fatalities. She's your gal!

Barbara - I'm match your gazillion red flags and raise you a low-class parasite. Yep - SS sure helped her friends to forget all about the dead child in their basement with her antics - what a gal!

Too bad she didn't get to star in the jail house follies - she would have brought the house down! The rest of the criminals would have been as entertained as John was.

Like the three stooges reincarnated! They are a hoot!

I wonder if they ever made themselves available for children's parties, bar mitzvahs, etc. It could have opened a whole new career opportunity for John with his excellent sense of business and his hilarious partners. Who would have ever thought they were so full of humorous talents?

As far as raising me a low-class parasite, I don't think Jameson is available at the moment
Thank you for posting the excerpts Little. Always nice to re-visit these things

[Cherokee]

Originally Posted by Little

I'll bet she's a regular hoot at a 5 alarm fire, especially if there are any fatalities.

LOL, isn't that the truth!



http://thehistoryvault.tripod.com/0...ngfrenzy-bw.htm

Diane Hallis, who worked at Access Graphics, recalls that John Ramsey would look out the third floor windows of the offices trying to spot reporters. "He hated them," she says. "His anger was directed toward the media, but never toward the killer. He never mentioned the killer."

Psychologically, this is one of the biggest red flags in the Ramsey's behavior.

Their anger is NEVER directed at JonBenet's killer; they even said so on national TV only a week after a supposedly crazed, kidnapping, molesting, doesn't know if he's a freak or a foreign faction, ransom note writing (in Patsy's handwriting), psychopath took their daughter from them FOREVER!

They weren't angry a week later, or months later, or even years later. All of their anger was directed towards the media and the one person who exposed the corruption in Boulder that saved them from prosecution ... Steve Thomas.

The ONLY people who incurred Ramsey anger were the ones who had the ability to pull down the mask and expose them for what they really were. Apparently, killing their daughter didn't rank with that kind of threat.

Man, they make me sick.

[Greenleaf]

Susan Stine was to Patsy what Rasputin was to Alexandra (The Czar's wife.)

And, we all know how that ended. LOL.

[Sabrina]

It comes through loud and clear in DOI.

Anger towards the media (and authorities) with hardly any anger towards the killer.

[Skigwy]

Originally Posted by Cherokee

LOL, isn't that the truth!



http://thehistoryvault.tripod.com/0...ngfrenzy-bw.htm

Diane Hallis, who worked at Access Graphics, recalls that John Ramsey would look out the third floor windows of the offices trying to spot reporters. "He hated them," she says. "His anger was directed toward the media, but never toward the killer. He never mentioned the killer."

Psychologically, this is one of the biggest red flags in the Ramsey's behavior.

Their anger is NEVER directed at JonBenet's killer; they even said so on national TV only a week after a supposedly crazed, kidnapping, molesting, doesn't know if he's a freak or a foreign faction, ransom note writing (in Patsy's handwriting), psychopath took their daughter from them FOREVER!

They weren't angry a week later, or months later, or even years later. All of their anger was directed towards the media and the one person who exposed the corruption in Boulder that saved them from prosecution ... Steve Thomas.

The ONLY people who incurred Ramsey anger were the ones who had the ability to pull down the mask and expose them for what they really were. Apparently, killing their daughter didn't rank with that kind of threat.

Man, they make me sick.

They were, justifiably somewhat, angry to The Intrusive Media...though then again, sickly somewhat, they did seem to enjoy the celebrity status.

They could have been justifiably angry at Steve Thomas for letting JonBenet's intruderkiller get away, but they weren't. They were angry at him for his belief in their guilt, what he thought & said & wrote about them.

[Skigwy]

Originally Posted by Barbara

Ah, a thread that I have to be careful about posting on, as Susan Stine has always raised a gazillion red flags for me. Something very wrong with the whole Stine picture/relationship
.

That whole 4 (5?) month bunkin with the Stines things...how many flags is that? The Stines ran under Hunter's umbrella of, jumped in Thomas's suspect bucket... There's no explaining that living arrangement.


Also, anyone, were the Stines friends with Mike Byrum?