JB's blood on the pillowcase...

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by koldkase, Nov 22, 2008.

  1. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Ah, well, Elle, as we all know, collecting evidence wasn't even important to the BPD. One of the DA's attorneys actually had to demand they have the crime scene technicians do a more thorough job when they were ready to leave after a day or two. I guess that attorney wasn't "in the loop" yet. So they had to send Pam in to raid the place, complete with police escort, jacket, and McDonald's Happy Meal thrown in.
     
  2. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    Even MORE so- LHP said that although the JBR's sheets could be washed in the laundry area on the second floor, her white blanket could only be washed/dried in the BASEMENT washer/dryer because that was the only washer/dryer that was large enough to fit the blanket. The washer/dryer in the second floor laundry area was one of those small, apartment-size sets. Well, if an intruder couldn't think to look in the dryer right outside of JBR's bedroom, how less likely that an intruder would figure out that the basement dryer held the blanket from JBR's bed.
    Go back and look at that photo from JBR's room. The foot section of her bed is still perfectly made, despite the top half being unmade. There was NO way anyone pulled a blanket from that bed. That blanket STAYED in the basement dryer for three days, right where LHP said she left it. It remained there till one of her parents pulled it out, inadvertently with the Barbie nightie, after her death so they could lay her body in it- the wineceller floor was filthy and covered with mold, too. They just couldn't bring themselves to lay her down on the filthy floor. Here's the link:

    http://www.acandyrose.com/002jonbenetbed.jpg
     
  3. Elle

    Elle Member

    That's right Dee Dee. Only someone in the house would have known where to go for the blanket.

    I do remember some of us discussed the nightie may have clung to the blanket from static electricity, or placed there by Patsy because it was JonBenét's favourite one(?). The blanket and the nightie may have been soiled or wet to have caused the washing of both of them together(?).

    Yes, the bottom of the bed is undisturbed. Thanks for the refresher.
     
  4. Elle

    Elle Member

    What a fiasco that was with Pam Paugh in the police jacket, KK. Repeat The Ramseys got away with murder in more ways than one. Isn't this something we just see in the movies?
     
  5. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    Not only in the movies, I guess...though who would have believed it could actually happen that people like the Rs got away with an awful crime like this. People get away with vile crimes all the time, but never before have those entrusted with prosecuting the criminals been so complicit in it. THAT is what was hard to believe; that the DA in Boulder could so obviously and completely cave in to political pressure that he would allow this crime to go unsolved rather than do what was needed to prosecute it.
     
  6. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Wow, DeeDee, I never thought about the fact that the blanket HAD to have come from the downstairs washer & dryer. You are so right.

    Why would an intruder go looking for something in which to wrap JonBenet "like a papoose" to keep her off the cold, filthy basement floor? They not only wouldn't have cared, they wouldn't have known to find a blanket in the basement dryer. Sheesh. It's just more proof that JonBenet was placed in the basement by someone who knew the house layout and where things were. Aarrrgggh. I can't take it sometimes. Ramsey guilt is so obvious to those who know and pay attention to the evidence, and STILL, they get away with it.
     
  7. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Yeah, DeeDee, that's very well considered. And now you've made me think of something else, too.

    Lou Smit has pushed his theory that the killer tried to put JB in the suitcase in the cellar, getting fibers on her from the dark duvet from JAR's bed that was in the suitcase. So...if the intruder did that and then took her back out...why not use that duvet to lay her out in the cellar room? It was right there, the "intruder" knew it was there, according to Dimestore Det. Smit...but instead, this criminal genius goes hunting for the blanket from her bed?

    Like you, Cherokee, I just about have had enough of the STUPID people who have BURIED this murder case for so long. They feed trolls like maimed who run around and spread disinformation and IGNORANCE like a virus.

    Shame on Lou Smit, Alex Hunter, and Mary Lacy. SHAME ON THOSE EGOTISTICAL OLD FOOLS.
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2008
  8. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Perfect.....except.....

    You forgot ENABLERS.
     
  9. rashomon

    rashomon Member

    KK or others: do you know the exact number of this interview section?
    What door is Haney referring to? The door in JonBenet's room?
    It looks like the item in question "hanging over the door" was the material that pulls the drapery back. Some kind of cord maybe?
    Do there exist any crime scene pictures which show the drapery in some kind of disarray?
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2008
  10. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I'm not sure what you're asking, unless it's page number?

    Here's the url to the entire interview, from ACandyRose's site:

    http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-Patsy-Interview-Complete.htm

    The page number is 0374; the picture Patsy is shown when she makes the comment is number 125.

     
  11. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Gee, it's amazing how much time has been wasted on the lies of Patsy Ramsey, isn't it?

    I was looking for photos that I thought might match the ones Patsy is addressing in the interview we're discussing, and it finally has hit me that the curtain tieback I've been perplexed about at the head of JonBenet's bed is not an issue at all.

    [photos compliments of ACandyRose.com]

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    We have many times wondered if there was some fight in the bed, causing that curtain tieback to be pulled out from behind the bed, hanging over the headboard. Patsy even said it should have been behind the bed. heh That Patsy. There was no lie too small for her to tell, was there? She was a good liar, I'll give her that.

    What finally struck me today is that the tiebacks ON THE OTHER TWIN BED are ALSO PULLED IN FRONT OF THE HEADBOARD.

    Here is what Patsy said about the tieback being "unusual" in the picture:

    But here is a picture of the other twin bed, and oh, my, it ALSO had tiebacks IN FRONT OF THE HEADBOARD:

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    Okay, no big deal. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out how some kind of tussle in the bed factored in, because of that tieback...and now I realize that was time wasted. Obviously, in Patsy's over-the-top decorating style, she liked the tiebacks in front of the headboards. So WHY did she tell Haney and DeMOUTH that was UNUSUAL? Was she trying to claim that THE INTRUDER WAS AN INTERIOR DECORATOR WHO TOOK THE TIME TO ADD JUST THE RIGHT TOUCH BY PULLING THE TIEBACKS IN FRONT OF THE HEADBOARDS, right before he murdered a child....

    What a complete and total WITCH Patsy Ramsey was. Boy, did SHE have a LOT of people fooled.
     
  12. rashomon

    rashomon Member

    Yes I meant the page number. Thanks KK.
    For it interested me whether Patsy made the comment about not seing blood there after she was asked if JonBenet had had nosebleeds.
    But she was asked about the nosebleeds later, in 0428.
    So in 0374, totally out of the blue, Patsy makes this comment about not seeing blood on the material that pulls the draperies back. VERY VERY ODD. Haney should have insisted here by asking Patsy more questions.
     
  13. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I may have misled you, Rashomon. Sorry. It's very hard to follow these photos as they talk about them, and I suspect that's why the RST doesn't want us to have access to the PowerPoint photos like they do, because we might see MORE CLEARLY what the evidence is. They don't want that and never have, not without Dimestore Det. Smit leading us around by the nose and drawing our focus away from "this important evidence" so he can point out "that red herring."

    But looking at these today, I think now that photo #125 must be of a door, and who knows what room is being discussed, because at one point they're talking about Barbara Fernie's coat on a door or something, and that has me quite confused as to where that photo was taken because I haven't seen any plaid coat in any of the photos that I can remember.

    Is that a door in JB's room? Maybe. I noticed in one photo of her door there is something hanging on a door handle. But why would that be listed in such high numbers--125--when the crime scene photos of the beds in the room are listed as "2" and "5" that I'm looking at? Don't know. Just don't know what DeMuth was addressing. They do jump around, as they even mention.

    So DeMuth mentions "4 and 5" here, and Haney addresses those, and the photos I posted above are 2 and 5, so what 4 is I don't know, but I am guessing it's just another photo of one of the beds.

    This is 5:

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  14. rashomon

    rashomon Member

    Thanks for posting the pictures, KK.
    The interviewers made it very easy for Patsy to fool them. For example, Haney could have held the picture of the other (neat) twin bed in front Patsy's nose, point out the drapes tied in the front of the headboard, and ask her her if she thinks the intruder tied them that way. :D

    What adds to the confusion in this intervew section is Trip DeMuth asking about that item (= the material that that pulls the drapes back) hanging over the door:

    WHAT DOOR??
    Could this be a typo and DeMuth actually said board, meaning the headboard of JonBenet's bed?
     
  15. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Thanks for running that down, Rashomon. It was brought up at topix and I couldn't remember the sequence, but yes, it IS very odd. Because "stains" on JonBenet's pillowcase are discussed at various times, as well. How did Patsy go from "stains" to "blood"? If DeMuth hadn't brought up the nosebleeds yet, how would Patsy KNOW it was blood beforehand?

    Yes, you are ABSOLUTELY right. Haney and DeMuth SHOULD HAVE asked Patsy about that. So many times, they should have asked a LOT of things, followed up on things. I get so mad reading these transcripts, because MANY TIMES Patsy was TRYING to answer an IMPORTANT question asked of her, AND HANEY WOULDN'T SHUT UP AND LET HER ANSWER! He LED her, CUED her, to the point I just want to shout LET HER ANSWER THE QUESTION!!

    Why oh why are we still here? This investigation was so obviously STAGED, along with the crime scene, A THEATRE DIRECTOR COULD HAVE DIRECTED IT ALL.
     
  16. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member


    I thought that mayself, or even that DeMuth just misspoke "door" when he meant headboard, but since we don't know what is in picture #125, no way to know, is there? They JUMP to pictures #4 and #5 right away. Are they related? Is #125 also of JB's room? Seems like it should be, but then they say they're skipping around, and jump to Fernie's coat, and here and there...so I can't say.

    Oh, just for clarification if you don't remember, because I had almost forgotten myself, those "curtains" behind JonBenet's twin beds didn't actually COVER windows. There was nothing but wall back there. They were just decorative. I'll get some pics of the empty room and you'll see what I mean.
     
  17. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Oh, here are two other photos of the beds, crime scene photos, and this one is number three, as you can see, so maybe the second one is number 4, though we can't see any identification on it:

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    These are all from ACR's site, and thanks so much, ACR, you are a saint and we all know it. I just wish ACR was here to discuss this, because she once did an exhaustive study of these photos and compared them to the interview transcripts, so she might be able to tell us what is what.

    http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/04302001todayshow-pic3.htm
     
  18. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Here are a couple of photos of JB's bedroom after the Ramseys moved out. You can see that the windows were down that one side, beside the second twin bed, the one JB didn't sleep in. (I'm just going to post the link to ACR's page, because I hate to drain her bandwidth by posting so many of the pics here. It has cost her a lot of money through the years to keep her voluminous resources up, and in fact, she's had to take some down it has gotten so expensive as the events have kept on coming for so long. So thanks to ALL who contribute to help her keep what she does. Tricia and Colorado Babe have helped a great deal, just FYI, and thanks to those angels!)

    http://hellhole_photos.tripod.com/jbrbedroom.htm
     
  19. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    tie back

    I can't be sure but it appears the material that tied back the curtains over the bed JBR slept in is missing from the left side of the bed as you face it. The one on the right can clearly be seen. If the one on the left is really missing then it stands to reason that when a door is mentioned it could actually mean that it is hanging on a door somewhere. They did say in the interview that they thought the pictures through #5 were the only ones that showed the bed. It is significant that PR mentioned she didn't see any blood there.

    I do remember reading that one of the curtains was in disarray so that could be why - it was no longer tied back.
     
  20. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Bump for discussion on another thread.
     
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