John Ramsey's New Book - The Other Side of Suffering

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Tricia, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member


    So true, Carol, so true.

    The media doesn't even check to see if the DNA test was accurate or can be replicated, but they just take loco Mary Lacy's word for it. At the press conference for the DNA, Lacy stated she would allow no questions regarding the DNA test, and she would not release the results publicly! No one batted an eye. They just accepted it and published Lacy's BS exhoneration to the world - NO QUESTIONS ASKED, NO QUESTIONS ANSWERED!

    If Lacy had declared the Ramseys guilty based on DNA evidence, there would have been a hue and a cry to see the results and demand answers!

    Why is it there is always such a double standard when it comes to this case? Anything that proclaims Ramsey innocence is green-lighted and shouted from the rooftops, no holds barred. Anything that declares Ramsey guilt it swept under the carpet or threatened with financial ruin and lawsuit.

    I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again ...


    I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD IN THIS CASE!!!!


    Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it. And it's been that way for the past fifteen years. :banghead:
     
  2. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland


    Listening to it just now. It's so weird to hear the voice of someone for the first time when you've "known" them for over 10 years.

    What a lovely accent. I feel I want to call you Miss Koldkase now :) I have to revise my image of the feathered boa and shopping trolley and those chickens and pigs...

    Tricia - what a tease. Where's that kipper? Maybe another book? Who (in the know) would write a book? Retired person... person scorned...hmm.
     
  3. cynic

    cynic Member

    I guess the suicidal thoughts were squeezed in somewhere between immediately making plans to fly to Atlanta, getting his legal defense team together, artfully dodging police and mugging for the camera on CNN?


    John Ramsey Considered Suicide After JonBenét Murder
    By Radar Staff

    Fifteen years after the shocking murder of his daughter, John Ramsey is speaking out via a new memoir and revealing that he considered suicide after finding JonBenét lifeless body.
    "I wanted to escape from the pain," Ramsey told People.

    http://www.radaronline.com/print/59301
     
  4. cynic

    cynic Member

    (A bit off topic.) Perhaps if we’re really lucky we might see another book about suffering, this time by Casey Anthony?


    Casey Anthony Is Getting Baptized: 'It's A New Beginning'
    By Amber Goodhand - Radar Reporter

    Casey Anthony is embracing religion, and RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned the notorious 'Tot Mom' is getting baptized.
    According to an insider, Anthony, 26, wanted to do something to signify a new beginning in her life.
    "Casey has planned to get baptized sometime this month," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com.
    "She figured getting baptized would be the best way start this new chapter in her life. It's a new beginning."
    Last July, Casey was found not guilty in the very public murder trial of her two-year-old daughter, Caylee.
    "Casey believes that Caylee is with God now and wants to ensure her own salvation so that she'll see her daughter again someday," the source said.
    The only glimpse into Casey's life the public has had since her release from jail were a few videos leaked online in which she showcased a new hair style, a nose ring and her new puppy.
    "I'm just really starting to feel good about a lot of things. It's about time," Casey said in one clip. "I'm really starting to like the way things are going and where they're are going.
    "I'm just happy. I'm really happy."

    http://www.radaronline.com/print/59395
     
  5. cynic

    cynic Member

    Et tu, Globe?

    What REALLY Happened to Jonbenet

    After 15 years, John Ramsay has finally broken his silence about the horrific slaying of his 6-year-old daughter JonBenet in his home. Find out what really happened the night of the still unsolved crime, why the devastated dad still blames himself - and who he thinks killed his little angel - only in this week's GLOBE.


    [​IMG]

    http://www.globemagazine.com/story/807
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  6. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Undoubtedly!

    That John Ramsey, he's such a multi-tasker.
     
  7. Elle

    Elle Member

    I think Casey Anthony was guilty of this crime, Cynic. I felt she was a very cold hearted young woman.
     
  8. cynic

    cynic Member

    I'm pretty sure he was doing a little multi-tasking in the wee hours of December 26, 1996.
     
  9. cynic

    cynic Member

    I agree, Elle. When compiling a list of individuals who have eluded justice, I’m sure Casey will be in the top 3 on most people’s list. She’s there along with the Ramseys and OJ in my top 3.
     
  10. cynic

    cynic Member

    Thank you for asking, Elle. I would have loved to have been on to take a few swipes at John but I was out of town visiting family.
     
  11. cynic

    cynic Member

    Here are some "backstage" comments from AC which undoubtedly will not improve your opinion of him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4sZdold_g
     
  12. cynic

    cynic Member

  13. cynic

    cynic Member

  14. cynic

    cynic Member

    It was great to hear you again on WS radio, KK, excellent as usual.
    (p.s. Now that I know that threatening you is effective, I’ll have to do it more often.) :whipit: :D
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=188289&postcount=17
     
  15. cynic

    cynic Member

    It's unfortunate you weren’t able to make it DeeDee, you have a demonstrated wealth of knowledge with respect to this case.
    Maybe next time?
     
  16. Niner

    Niner Active Member

    Wish there was a "Thanks" button on this forum! Excellent post everyone!

    :bow:
     
  17. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    Maybe. What I haven't mentioned publicly is that I am mostly deaf (Meniere's Disease) and phone conversations can sometimes be difficult. It would be uncomfortable to be part of a group discussion and me not hearing all that is being said.
    As for this past week's show, I did not read JR's book, so I felt there wasn't a lot I could offer.
     
  18. cynic

    cynic Member

    Sorry to hear that, but I'm pretty sure you would have been great, regardless.
     
  19. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    Thanks. I am sure YOU were great.
     
  20. cynic

    cynic Member

    During the WS radio show, reference was made to an interview where there was speculation as to what Burke might do at age 40, here is that portion of the interview.

    The JonBenet Ramsey Case ... Open or Shut?
    By Scott Ross
    The 700 Club
    CBN.com– Scott Ross interviewed Patsy and John Ramsey in 2000. Read how faith helped the family through their daughter’s death and Patsy’s terminal ovarian cancer.

    [SNIP]
    SCOTT: How is your son Burke? How old is your son?

    PATSY: He is 13 .

    SCOTT: How is he doing?

    PATSY: Well he is a typical 13-year-old.

    JOHN: We worry about Burke longer term. We had him spend time with a child specialist. Kids have ways to bury this and it's black and white and they put it aside. Where it is going to affect Burke probably more so is when he is 40 years old and that's when we worry about it, long term.

    SCOTT: When he is what?

    JOHN: Forty. When he's older.

    PATSY: Perhaps when he has a family of his own or when he has a child of his own or when he is able to put together what could have happened. Why was he not taken and she was? All of those questions.

    SCOTT: Did he ever accuse you, did he ever distance from you?

    PATSY: Oh, no never.

    SCOTT: I don't trust Mom and Dad anymore -- they are murderers?

    PATSY: No.

    JOHN: We were a loving family. We loved our children. We were a typical American family. The other thing that has happened to us that ought to be an offense to the average, typical American family is that we have been accused of all of these horrible things. We love our children. We would do anything for them, as would most American families, and yet the media has assaulted us and in effect the American family.

    SCOTT: Are you bitter, angry, cynical?

    PATSY: On days it's yes, yes, yes. Just like normal, you have a good day or a bad, you have a good hour, a bad hour. We were at the beach on vacation and I see all these little families running around playing, little blondes, cute little beach clothes and having fun and frolicking, you know, and I'm bitter because that was taken away from us. I should be enjoying my children -- both of them. You know, that is hard.

    SCOTT: Are you able to laugh, is there humor, is there joy in your life?

    PATSY: There is a difference between happiness and joy. We have moments of joy. Will I ever be truly happy again, probably not. Not until I'm with all those -- my grandmothers, my great aunts, my grandfathers and my JonBenet -- then I will be truly happy again. Then I will be with the God of the universe, who knows truth and who knows justice. But will I ever be truly happy again, probably not.

    SCOTT: How are you living that day by day?

    PATSY: I am living just fine. I am not…

    SCOTT: What do you mean you live just fine? You can't say that. You know that's a soundbite. Someone will take that and say "I live just fine?"

    PATSY: People say, how can you do this, how can you do this? I have a 13-year-old son, I have two wonderful parents, we have a new grandbaby, I have a wonderful husband, wonderful friends and I have a God that knows the truth. I have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to be remorseful over except that I miss my child everyday, every minute of the day.

    SCOTT: Did JonBenet understand anything about God?

    PATSY: Very much!

    JOHN: She was … (starts to cry) … amazing.

    PATSY: She was a participant in the Episcopal church, where I learned about the healing. That was called Cathechesis of the Good Shepherd. And it was a learning environment like the Montesorri style of learning, it was for preschoolers. JonBenet took it when she was about 5 or 6 years old. It was an environment where they learned about the Last Supper. They had a little mustard seed where they would learn about faith. They had a little corner of the room where they learned about baptism and christening, and JonBenet's christening gown was a part of that display. They learned about David and they learned about the Apostles. They polished the silver chalice, and they learned about the colors of Advent and Lent and all of that.

    They learned about prayer, and they would have a prayer time in a prayer circle. I have this vivid recollection, this picture in my mind of JonBenet, blowing out this candle. She is kneeling in front of the pint-size altar, blowing out her candle and watching the smoke rise. She would tell me that that is her prayer going up to heaven. She was very spiritual.

    SCOTT: Looking at JonBenet, the little girl in that outfit parading there seems to be an exploitation of a child?

    PATSY: It wasn't. It was absolutely not. It was something that she and I enjoyed doing together not unlike hundreds of mothers and daughters across this country that do it every weekend of the world. I was driving this weekend to a friend's house and pulled up at a stoplight and in the car next to me were all these pageant clothes hanging there, and I knew where this mother and child had been this afternoon. This wasn't a novelty.

    JOHN: We had a very simple approach to our children, we wanted them to try different things and be very good at one thing whatever it was. So we let our kids do a lot of different things. JonBenet took violin lessons, she was going to take rock climbing lessons, she took piano lessons, she took French, she took acting lessons. JonBenet was a performer. If there was a microphone it was in her hand and she was singing and dancing or doing something that was just her genes.

    SCOTT: The latest little deal to come out, it hit the press a few days ago, was the fact that you have now gone to a psychic?

    JOHN: Not true.

    SCOTT: Well … I have the article right here …

    JOHN: Read it in the paper has to be true! Let me dispel your image of that.

    SCOTT: There it is. You put out a $100,000 reward to find this guy, and it's on your website.

    JOHN: Our investigators control the web site. They put that picture on there. We did not contact a psychic as has been reported. The sketch that appeared on the web site that our investigators use was provided by Dorthy Allison on a television program a year or so ago. Our objective is to keep this alive in the public's mind, in hopes that the one lead that we are waiting for will come through.

    SCOTT: So you allowed it to be used?

    JOHN: We don't control the web site. The information that was put on there was put on there by our investigators, what they think is appropriate.

    SCOTT: The reason why I raise the question because you claim to be Christians and you know, or I hope you know or have been taught, biblically, God doesn't look with whole lot of kindness on psychics or their practices.

    PATSY & JOHN: Right. I know.

    SCOTT: It's considered to be witchcraft ...

    PATSY: Demonic.

    SCOTT: And demonic. Now that might not make a lot of psychics happy, but I'm sorry, get over it. But that is what you have been accused of now and there is a distortion again?

    PATSY: People look constantly for things to accuse the Ramseys about. This is just another one. Suffice to say -- the investigators, this was their doing -- they had the sketch.

    [SNIP]

    JOHN: You can not convince a cynic of anything. America is getting to be kind of -- at least the media system is a pretty cynical operation.

    SCOTT: The bottom line, below the bottom line, people will ask me, "O.K., you've come out of this, confidentially, what do you think? There is also a side not only as a journalist, but being an ordained minister in the church, to say to other pastors, if they ask me, "Would you recommend to let these people come to my church?"

    JOHN: Let me ask you this? What if we were murderers? Would we be denied access to a church? I hope not.

    PATSY: That's the people who need to be there. Aren't we "preaching to the choir" as they say.

    SCOTT: Well, they still say that.

    JOHN: That is a problem we Christians have in our churches.

    PATSY: We need to welcome everyone.
    [SNIP]

    http://www.cbn.com/700club/scottross/interviews/jonbenet1.aspx
     
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