Judge has ruled Ramsey Grand Jury indictment must be released

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by wombat, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Sweetie Moab!

    Music to my Mouse Ears and You KNOW who I am Happy to See again in Addition to my HardCore Bees ~ The MAN HimSelf ~ just his Presence is all I needed to let myself Believe Believe Believe!!!!
     

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  2. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    :beats:[​IMG]:beats:

    that's what journalism is all about...the truth,not spin
     
  3. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    arrogant as he is,he will be all over the news shouting that the GJ voted without knowing about that "critical" piece of evidence which was discovered later,the touch DNA....:yuck: and some will believe it!
     
  4. Elle

    Elle Member

    Thank you Wombat for the update!

    KK, I am a bit stunned by all this latest news. I have so much to catch up on here! I personally thought most of the people who were all involved, Judge and Jury etc. etc. had accepted the fact that Patsy Ramsey's life had already been taken; therefore the case would always remain closed.
     
  5. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Isn't THAT the truth! When the news hit that some Grand Jurors said they voted for indictment, that was Lin Wood's spin on the whole thing. John Ramsey just acted like the news was beneath him.

    And the media dropped it.

    EXCEPT for Charlie Brennan!
     
  6. Niner

    Niner Active Member

    YAY! is right!!

    So when is the date that this judge will make his ruling??

    TIA!
     
  7. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Interesting.

    I would love to read it.
     
  8. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Maybe Garnett is used to fishing cause he has now responded to the judge and is still playing "catch 'n' release" saying instead of 'showing cause to keep it sealed', he wants the judge to make the determination to have it released and will provide it to him...sigh...

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  9. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    let me know if I got it right(am definitely not a legal expert) ...so now he wants the judge to show cause as to why it should be released?
     
  10. wombat

    wombat Member

    Soooooo...the DA's office is going to messenger over the case file, and will not object to the judge releasing any of it???? Am I dreaming, or is it possible that we may shortly see everything?
     
  11. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    http://www.dailycamera.com/news/bou...sues-response-judges-ruling-ramsey-indictment

    This is exactly what Brennan's original suit stated: that DA Garnett's Office was sympathetic with the need for transparency in this issue, but that he was compelled to follow the law.

    Too bad Hunter and Lacy had no such compunctions while in Office.

    So it appears the judge has already stated he sees no reason not to release the document in his ruling, and he states why.

    Now it's up to the judge once he sees the document.

    Perhaps we should be prepared to see some redacted sensitive information, particularly if it concerns Burke in some way. Also there may not be much, if anything, we don't already know, in the way of evidence--other than the actual charges signed by the Grand Jury, of course, which I will be interested in seeing after all the years of Team Ramsey lies we've heard on this.

    Like y'all said, it's not completely certain the judge won't read it and change his mind. He might have been pressed by "others" after his ruling to change his mind. Of course I'm only speculating, but nothing in this case has ever gone right, so I'm afraid my skepticism is off the charts in anything relating to it.

    Still, Garnett has volleyed the ball into the Judge's court and...it looks possible the document might be released.

    Speaking of Garnett's balls, his have just earned some respect from me.
     
  12. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    See! That's what I'm thinking. It's a mass, shared dream. Has that ever happened? Are we all under the spell of Stephen King? :eek:
     
  13. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    It's been so long since we've seen anything like good journalism, I almost forgot that the Old School journalists ever existed.

    Brennan and his co-plaintiffs should be commended by every media outlet in the country.

    Of course, that doesn't seem to be happening.

    Would y'all please let me know if you see the major media hue-and-cry we should have heard by now over this important milestone in this infamous case?
     
  14. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Elle, since it's an unsolved murder, and murder has no statute of limitations in American law, it won't ever be "closed." Patsy may be the guilty party, or at the least one of them, but she was never tried or convicted, so her death ended nothing but any possibility of anyone else ever being tried, as her ransom note will always be reasonable doubt for any other defendant.

    Even John could point the finger at her if push came to shove. So trying him would be an exercise in futility, no matter how convincing the evidence that he was involved. In Colorado law, it must be proven by the prosecution WHICH ONE put that ligature on the victim's neck and pulled it.

    Since Patsy's clothing fibers are the only fibers we have heard were tied into the knots of the ligature device, John can always say she did it.

    Moab, you really upped your game! :fishslap:

    And RiverRat, this picture needs some explanation: why is there a prostrate lobster on this tombstone?
     

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  15. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I'm thinking Garnett just wants the judge to take on the responsibility for releasing it. That way Wood's strutting around, threatening to sue Boulder for whatever BS he can think up, will go back to the judge, not the DA Office?

    It's not that subtle that the Ramsey's slap-suit lawyer Wood vowed to sue Boulder on behalf of the Ramseys, resulting in the BPD handing the case over to then D.A. Mary "Team Ramsey" Lacy. Remember that was a shameful precedent which stunned LE and attorneys across America. It pretty much meant that the prime suspects in a child murder were running the investigation. Yeah, it was THAT BAD.

    But not one lawyer, not the Colorado Bar, not anyone with the authority in Colorado or even the U.S. Attorney General thought this was worthy of addressing legally. That's when we knew this case was not what it seemed, no way, no how.

    Under Lacy's "watch" we saw how big of a circus this mess of a case had become in Boulder:

    • She actively refused to follow the recommendations of her own lead investigator, Kolar, who presented her with his own unbiased and detailed investigation results leading to the Ramseys as the prime suspects. Kolar shortly returned to his old job in Telluride afterward.
    • She orchestrated the arrest of PERV Karr based on the grooming and trapping by Tracey and Smit. We know how that turned out.
    • Finally, as a last act in defiance of the law and her duty as Boulder District Attorney, she presented the "exoneration" letter to John Ramsey with much media fanfare, which should have been grounds for Lacy being disbarred for incompetency and corruption, IMO, but oh well, it worked for every major news media which didn't want the burden of being accurate in reporting about the case. This further laid the groundwork in which any public voice of dissent risked being sued by "How dare you, Sirrah!" Woody. [Hearing Carol McKinley's strange interview with Peter Boyles in his January, 2013 radio segments on the case, and having read and heard from those battered by Wood in depositions, we know how viciously his defense of the Ramseys from the truth can be.]

    Now that I think about it, wonder if old Woody has been making "contacts" in Colorado, doing his usual song-and-dance?

    On that note, would you post your excellent quotes from THE RAMSEYS OWN BOOK on the Grand Jury results, Madeline? Thank you so much for looking these up, as we all know the Ramseys have lied so many times to LE, to the press, and to the public it's impossible to believe a word they ever said; yet everytime we point that out to their devoted "Believers" they always deny it and demand we list and source them...which they promptly ignore.

    Brilliant. JUST BRILLIANT: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9908697&postcount=61
     
  16. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member



    Yes, madeleine_ws, please post the Ramsey's own words that said the Grand Jury did NOT indict them, as written in their book of lies, Death of Innocence! As KK said, thanks so much for looking up those EXACT QUOTES and making them available to us!

    John and Patsy thought no one from the Grand Jury would ever say otherwise, and they definitely didn't expect anyone to force the truth of their indictment to be revealed publicly!

    The Ramseys thought they could lie with impunity. Lin Wood thought he could insinuate with impunity.

    They have now been caught in THEIR OWN WORDS!

    And the current silence from John Ramsey (and Lin Wood), in light of this latest development, is DEAFENING.
     
  17. wombat

    wombat Member

    And I wonder how things are going in a small town in the Midwest where Burke lives.
     
  18. Cherokee

    Cherokee FFJ Senior Member

    Me, too.

    Of course, if the mainstream media and talking heads continue to ignore the latest development in the Ramsey case, it may not make one whit of difference to Burke.

    It's so infuriating that if the story is allegedly about Ramsey innocence (pervert Karr, for instance) it goes national in a matter of two minutes, but if it is anything about Ramsey guilt, it barely gets reported in local Colorado news!

    If it weren't for the forums, most of us would not know ANYTHING about what has gone on in this case ever since Mary Lacy pulled her travesty of a bogus exoneration stunt. She made DARN sure the big-time media was there for that! They swallowed her lies, hook, line and sinker, and turned their backs on the Ramsey case.

    That's what makes Charlie Brennan even MORE of a hero. Against the odds, he never gave up the quest for the truth of what REALLY happened to JonBenet on Christmas night 1996.
     
  19. BOESP

    BOESP Member

    Charlie Brennan restores my faith in investigative journalism.

    I keep hoping this is not a story that will end up in File 13. Something tells me that if it all comes to light, it will be "Patsy Did It. Let Her Rest in Peace."

    Actually, I do think Patsy did it but I don't like liars so I keep hoping there will be some little known law that covers the other liars in this case.

    Did I mention that I detest liars? :verdict:
     
  20. wombat

    wombat Member

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I knew a super reporter for a super tabloid. When the John Mark Carr ridiculousness hit, he told me that they (the entity for which he worked) had people already in the field, ready for it. That, and everything else we know about the tabs, tells me that they are positioning for this - it's still the definitive dead blonde girl story, after all. If the judge releases the indictment - tabloid frenzy.

    Sorry, Jonbenet. I hope you rest in peace.
     
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