Garrote

[kk]

Thanks ravens-tears for the advice on posting.

For some time now I would like to see others thoughts on this.

I was watching "Cold Case Files" a woman was killed with a
garrote. What really got my attention was the cord.
It looked exactly like the one used on JB.

To make a long story short: It took sometime to investigate because the cord was so unusual. Come to find out it was cord
from a parachute.

I thought parachute cord would be thicker-wider, but it wasn't.

kk

[1000 Sparks]

I think parachutes are like most other wearable garments, small, medium and large.

The cord was probably from the small one.

Ruthee said she thought the cord was from Patsy's painting, the cord used to carry to and fro class. I think she was right on. Pam took those painting out of the house along with the golf clubs and other sentimental chit.

[EasyWriter]

kk:

"For some time now I would like to see others thoughts on this.

I was watching "Cold Case Files" a woman was killed with a
garrote. What really got my attention was the cord.
It looked exactly like the one used on JB."

There may have been some similarity in the type of cord, (nylon probably) but
that's the end of it. JonBenet was not garroted. The cord handle was not pulled to
strangle her to death. The cord was TIED around the neck
to create a poorly constructed noose. It was part of the staging
no less than the bogus note. For details, see my "Garrote
Analysis", also my letters to DA, Keenan.

[kk]

1000Sparks,
Yes, I read sometime back Ruthee's thoughts on the cord. I think she could be right.
I was just thinking PR may have stated to JR she needed cord for her paintings and just maybe JR supplied her with parachute cord?

Easy Writer,
I referred to the apparatus as a garrote because that is what it was called. I have no way of knowing if it was truly a garrote.
I'm not new to JB case. I have seen the autopsy pictures and have been following the case from the beginning.

I myself have opinions as what really happened to JB but, I like to keep an open mind as to other people's ideas.

Anyone is entitled to post their opinion but that doesn't mean,
*subject colsed* because a particular person has voiced his/hers
opinion.

Thanks for responding
kk

[Nikeo]

Originally posted by EasyWriter
kk:

"For some time now I would like to see others thoughts on this.

I was watching "Cold Case Files" a woman was killed with a
garrote. What really got my attention was the cord.
It looked exactly like the one used on JB."

There may have been some similarity in the type of cord, (nylon probably) but
that's the end of it. JonBenet was not garroted. The cord handle was not pulled to
strangle her to death. The cord was TIED around the neck
to create a poorly constructed noose. It was part of the staging
no less than the bogus note. For details, see my "Garrote
Analysis", also my letters to DA, Keenan.

If I get kicked off the forum for this so be it, but I am really angry over your saying the cord was tied around the neck to create a poorly constructed noose,....

Take one look at these horrific pictures and you will know without a doubt that it was not staging, somebody meant business when they made this garrot, horrific damage was done to this precious child! This child suffered unspeakably, take one look at these pictures if you dare and please never again say it was staging or poorly constructed, it helped to kill this precious child in the most horrific of ways to kill a human being. You can see the scratch marks on her neck where it looks like she was clawing to get that garrot off of her neck.

Garrot immages can be found at this link.....

http://www.jameson245.com/garotte.htm

[EasyWriter]

Nikeo:

"If I get kicked off the forum for this so be it, but I am really angry
over your saying the cord was tied around the neck to create a
poorly constructed noose,...."

What I see is that you don't like my conclusion. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that I don't see is any attempt to refute the observations and arguments in the references given supporting the conclusion. Perhaps some day we can meet in court along with the Ramseys, Smit, Keenan, Carnes, Wood, whoever, and all shall have the opportunity to try refute my arguments along with a physical demonstration before a jury. Now wouldn't that be nice? I'm looking forward to it.

[Nikeo]

Originally posted by EasyWriter
Nikeo:

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What I have a problem with is that I don't see is any attempt to refute the observations and arguments in the references given supporting the conclusion. .

I really don't know what more you could want to refute your observations and arguments, these pictures "say it all" to refute your conclusion. The garrot was constructed well enough to have strangled this six year old child with horrific results as evidenced by the pictures. As far as the staging, I don't think staging ever entered the killer's mind, hir was doing what hir knew best, destroying and defiling a precious little girl with a well known device used by sexual predators. (By the way, I am not an intruder enthusiast, the parents did too many weird things for me to exonerate them totally.) You have your conclusions and I have mine. I know I get very emotional when I think about this crime and it upsets me that people think this was staging, in my humble opinion, the killer did exactly what they set out to do, viciously kill this little girl.

Where is your conclusion, etc., I would like to read more about it, can you post the link? Thanks, Nikeo

[zapata]

I saw that same show only it aired on the Discovery channel at least a couple of years ago. It looks identical to the cord used to make the garrotte that was used in staging JonBenet's death. We all know that the head wound came first, and when she saw what she had done she decided to self-preserve, and not call 911.

I felt the cording was so identical to the garrotte used to strangle the balance of life from JonBenet that I recorded the show the second time it aired that evening and sent the tape cassette to Steve Thomas.

In Steve's book he tells of the BPD calling in a knot expert from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I can't recall the guys name at present, but he has a site on the internet where he discusses the different knots. The last time I was at his site it was under construction. When I found his site he was just putting the site online. His picture is at the site. I just wish I could remember his name for you guys.

Some people do not want it to be parachute cord because John had been at the airport all day Christmas day, and he was supposedly getting the plane ready to fly to Michigan the next morning. I would think, since they were flying over a body of water, that John would have checked all parachutes, and replaced cording if it needed replacing. I believe he could have brought a strand of the cord home with him. I bet Burke even saw the cording. If the garrotte had parachute cording, then that points to Ramsey guilt.

I wish the new DA, (Ha!) would question Burk to see if he remembers his dad bringing a stand of parachute cord home with him on the 25th.

All post are my opinion.
zap

[EasyWriter]

Nikeo"

"I really don't know what more you could want to refute your
observations and arguments, these pictures "say it all" to refute
your conclusion.

Again, declaration, but no explanation. I've been dealing with cords, ropes, knots, snares, lassos, nooses and handles since early childhood, which was a very long time ago. Yes, the pictures do say it all: A flawed-in-every-respect amateurish construction; an ad hoc bungled creation with materials at hand crudely put together by someone who didn't have the foggiest notion of what he\she was doing. In other words, a "need to" motivation resulting in grossly inept staging. (The "ransom note" wasn't any better.)

"Where is your conclusion, etc., I would like to read more about it,
can you post the link? Thanks, Nikeo"

I'll be glad to.

Garrote analysis, Parts I and II.

http://www.acandyrose.com/delmarengland.htm

http://www.acandyrose.com/05202003keenanletter.htm

Also, both letters to Keenan containing information about the "garrote scene" and Smit's ridiculous fantasy can be found at the C & J forum.

http://pub165.ezboard.com/fcrimeandjustice13552frm78

P.S. BTW, parachute riser cords are nylon, but round, which is not the shape of the cord around JonBenet's neck.

[kk]

Easy Writer: Quote

P.S. BTW, parachute riser cords are nylon, but round, which is not the shape of the cord around JonBenet's neck.

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These were experts that examined the cord. (they said nothing about riser cord)
The cord was NOT round, it was FLAT.
I am not saying this is parachute cord, the EXPERTS are.

You said:" the cord around JB neck was poorly constructed."
Maybe so, but as you can see in the pictures it was embedded
so deep at first it wasn't known it was wrapped twice around her neck. I do think this was used to kill little JB just as the head blow was. So, poorly constructed or not, it did what the killer intended it to do.


Zapata,
Can you describe the cord, on the program you saw?


kk

[EasyWriter]

kk:

"These were experts that examined the cord. (they said nothing
about riser cord) The cord was NOT round, it was FLAT."

My point exactly. This was in reference to an earlier speculation that the cord around JonBenet's neck was parachute cord. I stated the cord is not round, yet your response implied (by capitalization emphasis) that I had said otherwise.

"I am not saying this is parachute cord, the EXPERTS are."

What EXPERTS would that be?

First, "they said nothing about riser cord)". Since risers are what these parachutes cords are called, if the EXPERTS said nothing about these riser cords, how could they say the cord is a parachute cord.

You said:" the cord around JB neck was poorly constructed."

No I didn't. Please reads what I write before presuming to quote. I said the cord was tied around her neck to create a poorly constructed noose.

Also, you asked for the references to my conclusions about the "garrote scene." The references were provided, but evidently not examined. Do or don't as you please. If I am misquoted, assigned a position to defend not of my making, asked for argument references which were supplied, then the references ignored, from where I'm sitting, it looks like I'm just wasting my time. In short, believe whatever you prefer. I really don't care. I'm done.

[Nikeo]

Originally posted by EasyWriter
kk:

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Also, you asked for the references to my conclusions about the "garrote scene." The references were provided, but evidently not examined. Do or don't as you please. If I am misquoted, assigned a position to defend not of my making, asked for argument references which were supplied, then the references ignored, from where I'm sitting, it looks like I'm just wasting my time. In short, believe whatever you prefer. I really don't care. I'm done.

Easywriter, I was the one who asked for the link to your conclusions, not KK, thanks, Nikeo