Crime Scene Photos

[VP]

Lora mentioned she was a member of Maketoast.com which prompted me to revisit the site after all these years. There is a link there to a number of crime scene photos. While looking at them a few things caught my eye that I hadn't noticed before. For instance, in the pictures below - the picture of the door to the wine cellar was taken BEFORE JonBenet's body was found by John Ramsey, but after the crime was committed and the "intruder" had fleed the scene. My question is, where are the footprints? Take a look at the photo of the bootprint that supposedly belonged to the intruder - the boots would have been very dusty on the bottom - wouldn't this have left at least some dust on the carpeting from the door to the window when the killer fled? I see nothing at all, not a speck of dust or debris. Obviously someone had been in there since JonBenet was left there...did they vacuum before they left?

[VP]

I went back to the Maketoast site today to look at the crime scene photos and guess what? The have all been removed. All of those that said "crime scene photos" are gone. I cropped the ones I posted so it is not on them, but it was. Now the menu has changed...no longer has a link to "crime scene photos," now it is "case" pictures. Wtf?

[Elle_1]

I can barely see the wooden latch on the left top of the door, VP. It looks quite small, doesn't it. I had visualized it being bigger somehow. Haven't seen this photo before, but I have seen the footprint one before, which turned out to be Burke's

It's hard to see anything on that type of carpet pattern, don't you think?

[VP]

Never thought of that before either Elle - the latch would be too high for Burke to reach - unless of course he stood on the suitcase, but then I'm still not sure he would even bother.

I agree it would be hard for either of us to see the bootprint on that carpet, but forensics would have picked it up, and the only thing ever mentioned about the boot print was that it was in the cellar. Not on the surface of any of the floors, or outside the window. Would certainly have left debris on the suitcase as he jettisoned (sp) out the window.

[LurkerXIV]

Can't you just picture an intruder, unfamiliar with the house, maneuvering his way through all that crap in the basement to find the "Wine Room" door? In the pitch black? Carrying the dead weight of an unconscious child?

Take this investigation away from Mary Keenan and her stooges and put it in the hands of competent people!

Eight years is too long for the murderer(s) to walk free!

[Elle_1]

Originally Posted by VP

Never thought of that before either Elle - the latch would be too high for Burke to reach - unless of course he stood on the suitcase, but then I'm still not sure he would even bother.

I agree it would be hard for either of us to see the bootprint on that carpet, but forensics would have picked it up, and the only thing ever mentioned about the boot print was that it was in the cellar. Not on the surface of any of the floors, or outside the window. Would certainly have left debris on the suitcase as he jettisoned (sp) out the window.

Yes, VP. You're right! Forensics would have picked something up, because debris would have been present, and Burke could never have mastered the latch and all that went with it.

While researching, one of my own FFJ posts came up relating to this latch, so I'll just post it again. Save me some work :-)

Officer French looked at the door, saw the lock and never opened this door. Officer Reichman tried to open this same door and stopped when he felt resistance. Fleet White did open it earlier in the morning, and he didn't see anything. Steve Thomas page 19 PB

Fleet White was looking into that room in the dark, of course.
According to Steve Thomas, a fluorescent lighting fixture lay sideways on a shelf, with two switches near the outward -opening white door. page 71 PB

Steve talks about John Ramsey. snapping his fingers and saying..."It was instant. I mean, as soon as I opened the door I saw the white blanket ...and I knew what was up." He then finds JonBenét ...italics are mine.

Steve talks about this door opening outwards, that Ramsey would have had to step back or aside before moving through. He didn't say he saw the blanket after he turned on the light but "instantly." Whereas Fleet had stood in the same doorway that morning and saw nothing in the windowless darkness.
Steve considered that Ramsey might have known something before he entered. Page 192-193 Steve Thomas PB

Luck was not with the victim JonBenét that morning, it had been too well planned by two very crafty people, or should we say ONE? I've said it before, psychology played a big part in this staging and Patsy Ramsey was a master of the craft. Yes, I can see Patsy Ramsey planning and scheming, just as if it was another play or speech she was preparing for another beauty contest.

She mastered the speech overnight in a flash for the Miss Virginia Beauty Pageant with some help from a friend. When the copyright of her favourite soliliquy couldn't be granted in time, she wrote a speech on copyright and won the talent competition.

Patsy Ramsey is no wilting magnolia.under any circumstances it seems.

[Elle_1]

Originally Posted by LurkerXIV

Can't you just picture an intruder, unfamiliar with the house, maneuvering his way through all that crap in the basement to find the "Wine Room" door? In the pitch black? Carrying the dead weight of an unconscious child?

Take this investigation away from Mary Keenan and her stooges and put it in the hands of competent people!

Eight years is too long for the murderer(s) to walk free!

YOU'RE RIGHT! SHOUT IT LOUD LURKER!

[JustinCase]

Hi VP,

I went to Maketoast and the crimescene photo's appeared for me, maybe there was a server error or something...

Anyway, while I was there I discovered a photo that I KNEW I SAW, but couldn't remember where I saw it.

Footprints (?) beside JonBenet's bed? I'm in the midst of enlarging it and will try to post the results...

[Elle_1]

Originally Posted by JustinCase

Hi VP,

I went to Maketoast and the crimescene photo's appeared for me, maybe there was a server error or something...

Anyway, while I was there I discovered a photo that I KNEW I SAW, but couldn't remember where I saw it.

Footprints (?) beside JonBenet's bed? I'm in the midst of enlarging it and will try to post the results...

Just two footprints JIC? Taken at the scene of the crime? Huh? Don't tell me this is the dresser where you spotted the matches? What graphic program are you using?

[VP]

I am not the only one that went to the site last night to find the pictures gone - replaced by "case" photos. Not one of the crime scene photos was posted. Don't know what is going on, but they were definitely gone yesterday.

Is that picture you posted from a tabloid JC?

[JustinCase]

Originally Posted by Elle_1

Just two footprints JIC? Taken at the scene of the crime? Huh? Don't tell me this is the dresser where you spotted the matches? What graphic program are you using?

I'm using Corel Photo Paint 11, but for this pic, it had nothing to do with me, I found it at http://www.maketoast.com/noframes/JB...ics/000bed.jpg

I zoomed in on them and they don't look like footprints at all, I can't post them because I don't have a web address to refer to, so I'll email them to someone who know's what to do with them; these are interesting too because the look nothing like footprints. More like two stains. And yes, thats the dresser the match book was sitting on, what bothered me is that it was sitting more to JonBenet's bed than it was the spare bed.

[Quinn]

The maketoast web sight has a different picture than this. It doesn't show the left side of the bed.