The Oversized (Girls 12-14) "Bloomies" Underwear Found On JonBenet

[Jayelles]

(Sorry - couldn't resist that thread title!).

As promised, I purchased a packet of size 12/14 Bloomies from Bloomingdales in NY and here are some photos of them.

The first is for KoldKase. I think it was you who once asked about the packet they came in and how it was sealed.

This is the packet:-

[Jayelles]

This is the seal. There is a little plastic "string" which goes through the loop at the end, the tags and the hole in the zipper. You need to break this to open it. In the photo, the seal is intact:-

[Jayelles]

And this is the size 12/14 and size 4/6 side by side. My daughter is almost exactly the same weight and height as Jonbenet was when she died (and she is almost exactly the same age too - 6 years and 6 months). I won't be getting her to model the larger knickers as I don't think it would be right to do so. The dimensions of the knickers are as follows:-

Size 12/14 - measure 12 inches from waistband to bottom of crotch and waistband is 22 inches unstretched.

Size 4/6 - measure 8.5 inches from waistband to crotch and waistband is just under 17 inches unstretched.

The size 4/6 fit my daughter just now.

My observation without her trying them on is that they would be very "gapey" at the crotch and would hang down at the crotch. The legs look very wide.

[Elle_1]

Well done, Jay. Congratulations. It is so good to see them displayed like this. Thank you for all the time that has gone into this effort.
I often thought the bigger ones were used to go over the pullups, but why would you need anything over them, if Jammies or long johns were going over them?

Was just thinking, wouldn't it have been great if you had the new panties tested for the DNA from the makers?

I was wondering where you were, Jay. So you were in New York? Busy place, isn't it?

[tylin]

Jayelles,
Thanks for the comparison. The pic really helps put the sizes in prospective.

[Jayelles]

Copied from WS:-

Well I just did a little experiment. I offered the larger size knickers to my daughter and she exclaimed "Mummy! These are too big! More like YOUR size". So there is no way she would mistake them for her own. Then I got her to try them on and they are simply huge on her. They wouldn't fall down round her ankles necessarily - not past her hip bones anyway, but they would certainly slip down as far as her hipbones - at which point the crotch is level with her knees. They are also incredibly baggy. Every heard the expression "droopy drawers"? They bag out at the back and form a little tunnel from one side to the next.

They would be extremely uncomfortable to wear and I quite frankly cannot imagine any child being happy to do so.

Another poster mentioned the possibility of them being worn over pullups and they would certainly accomodate rather large pullups with PLENTY of room to spare.

[Why_Nut]

Try one more experiment. Have her put them on, and then put on a pair of pants over them. I will wager that they will come off entirely with the pants, and that you would have to extract them from inside the pants in order to put them back on.

Edited to add: Now this was a useful thing to do. The picture of the size relationships alone is valuable grist for our discussion mill.

[Jayelles]

Originally Posted by Why_Nut

Try one more experiment. Have her put them on, and then put on a pair of pants over them. I will wager that they will come off entirely with the pants, and that you would have to extract them from inside the pants in order to put them back on.

Let me get this clear:-

Put the oversized knickers on first
Put normal sized knickers on atop?
Then try to remove the normal sized ones to see if the large ones come off inside?

Or do you mean trousers? Remember pants = knickers to me and "panties" is a naughty word here so I struggle to use it in posts!

[Why_Nut]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

Let me get this clear:-

Put the oversized knickers on first
Put normal sized knickers on atop?
Then try to remove the normal sized ones to see if the large ones come off inside?

Or do you mean trousers? Remember pants = knickers to me and "panties" is a naughty word here so I struggle to use it in posts!

Mea culpa. Yes, trousers, jeans, that sort of thing. Outerwear for the legs you would not mind having your child wear in cold weather.

[Jayelles]

Originally Posted by Why_Nut

Mea culpa. Yes, trousers, jeans, that sort of thing. Outerwear for the legs you would not mind having your child wear in cold weather.

OK (she thinks this is hilarious).

I tried it with both jeans and velour trousers. The knickers didn't come right off - but they ended up down below her bottom.

I don't know what the result would be if she'd been wearing them for a while and they'd had time to "work down". I'll try that tomorrow because she's in bed now.

When I got her to try them on before, it was on top of her own knickers. This time I got her to wear them against her skin and it was truly awful. The legs openings are so wide that she isn't "covered" at all (if you get my drift). Her sheuch (good Scottish word for that gneral area) is pretty much totally exposd at the slightest movement.

I quite simply cannot believe that any child would be happy to wear these.

I wish I could demonstrate how baggy they are on a life-size dummy. Even before I tried them on my daughter, I didn't think by looking at them that they would be quite as baggy as they are.

ETA - it would be like having no knickers on at all and I would imagine the seam on the inside of the trousers would rub against her skin.

I wonder if the velvet trousers she was wearing were tested to see if they'd been against her skin in that area or if there were signs of her being "half-commando"?

[RiverRat]

The larger size would fit perfect over Pull-Ups.

RR

[Jayelles]

Originally Posted by RiverRat

The larger size would fit perfect over Pull-Ups.

RR

ETA - I don't have pull-ups to try this and I think my daughter would draw the line at getting a nappy on =:-O

However I agree that there would be LOADS of space for a pull-up plus some left over.

But why would you need to put knickers on over pull-ups? I can understand putting frilly knickers on over a baby's nappy - because their little dresses ride up and expose their sweet little bots :-) But if a kid was wearing a pull-up in bed at night.... what is the point?