What if:

[Spade]

What if JonBenet’s death was caused by someone/persons under 10 years of age:

1.Would parents try to cover up the crime scene before they realized their child couldn’t be held legally responsible?

2.Would lawyers be able to convince prosecutors that it was “in the best interest of the child” to obfuscate the facts of JonBenet’s death?

3.Would a politically savvy lawyer like Hal Haddon risk his reputation to lobby the governor to keep the case in Alex Hunter’s control? (#4 in Lawyering JonBenet)

4.Would Henry Lee say: There is not enough evidence to determine whether this was an accident or murder?

5.Would John Ramsey say: “We’re not talking to you!” seconds after calling 911?

6.Would John Andrew Ramsey say: “The killers should be forgiven?

IMO the answer to all these questions is YES! Please add to this list.

[RiverRat]

For me, it would be the only other scenerio to explain the Ramseys behavior.

[JoeJame]

Originally Posted by Spade

What if JonBenet’s death was caused by someone/persons under 10 years of age:

1.Would parents try to cover up the crime scene before they realized their child couldn’t be held legally responsible?

2.Would lawyers be able to convince prosecutors that it was “in the best interest of the child” to obfuscate the facts of JonBenet’s death?

3.Would a politically savvy lawyer like Hal Haddon risk his reputation to lobby the governor to keep the case in Alex Hunter’s control? (#4 in Lawyering JonBenet)

4.Would Henry Lee say: There is not enough evidence to determine whether this was an accident or murder?

5.Would John Ramsey say: “We’re not talking to you!” seconds after calling 911?

6.Would John Andrew Ramsey say: “The killers should be forgiven?

IMO the answer to all these questions is YES! Please add to this list.

I wonder about Burke asking "What did you find?" though. If that is what was said on the phone. Other than that, all is very plausible....

[1000 Sparks]

why would Burke be asking "what did you find" that early in the morning when the 911 call was made? If he was there..

why would they put the garrotte around her neck? To finish her off?

Why wouldn't they call 911 right when it happened? (It was said she could have lived with the head injury)

If this happened shortly after they got home, wouldn't Burke have been in bed if they "didn't want to talk to him"?

Wouldn't the lawyers tell them to call 911 and don't worry because of the age Burke's age?

I believe this was an accident, so why the big coverup? Can't believe any lawyer would tell them to do what was done.

[Spade]

Would Hunter and Keenan/Lacy attempt to find a suitable, albeit innocent, perpetrator (Oliva, Helgoth, Karr...) to "solve" this mystery and get the case off their books?

[sue]

If I had a 10 yr old who had caused a death:
- I certainly would not have sent him to the neighbor's house that same day (even if I had warned him not to say anything, I'd be worried he'd slip up).

- I would not have allowed him to go back to school (probably ever; I'd home school him)

- I would not allow him to see a psychologist that the police wanted him to be examined by

- I would not let him see a pschycologist or psychiatrist - EVER - who would know what might slip out

For your questions 3, 4 and 5, I think the answer would be "Yes" for any of the Ramsey family. (Although I have seen where Henry Lee said he felt it was a domestic accident that was covered up - the same time as his famous "rice already cooked".)

[Spade]

Sue-

- I certainly would not have sent him to the neighbor's house that same day (even if I had warned him not to say anything, I'd be worried he'd slip up). Well, the alternative was to keep him in the house where he would be carefully questioned by police.

- I would not have allowed him to go back to school (probably ever; I'd home school him)
He was monitered closely at school. 1st by a PI from Haddon's office and then by Susan Stine. (See the Atlanta interviews for Mike Kane's opinion of that)

- I would not allow him to see a psychologist that the police wanted him to be examined by

- I would not let him see a pschycologist or psychiatrist - EVER - who would know what might slip out

IMO the Boulder DA's office knew who was reponsible for JonBenet's death by the evening of 12/26/96. The parents are just cooperating with the official coverup.

[heymom]

Originally Posted by Spade

Sue-

- I certainly would not have sent him to the neighbor's house that same day (even if I had warned him not to say anything, I'd be worried he'd slip up). Well, the alternative was to keep him in the house where he would be carefully questioned by police.

- I would not have allowed him to go back to school (probably ever; I'd home school him)
He was monitered closely at school. 1st by a PI from Haddon's office and then by Susan Stine. (See the Atlanta interviews for Mike Kane's opinion of that)

- I would not allow him to see a psychologist that the police wanted him to be examined by

- I would not let him see a pschycologist or psychiatrist - EVER - who would know what might slip out

IMO the Boulder DA's office knew who was reponsible for JonBenet's death by the evening of 12/26/96. The parents are just cooperating with the official coverup.

Does a psychiatrist or psychologist have an obligation to notify police if a client tells him or her information about a crime that's been committed?

Heymom

[Spade]

ROGER COSSACK, CO-HOST: Today, we take a look at part of the interviews
of Patsy Ramsey answering questions about the death of their daughter,
JonBenet, including questions about the security arrangements of their
son,
Burke, after the murder of his sister.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KANE: Why would you allow her to go without any security -- and against
Tracy Temple's (ph) advice, as a matter of fact -- to be transported to
and from
school when he was most vulnerable?
PATSY RAMSEY, MOTHER OF JONBENET RAMSEY: Well, he -- he left the
garage in a locked car and drove straight to school, and then he was
escorted
into the school.
KANE: Did you have any concerns about somebody -- a stop sign...
WOOD: Mr. Kane -- Michael...
KANE: What is your objection now?
WOOD: I just wonder what does this have to do with the investigation
into the --
finding who killed JonBenet Ramsey?
KANE: The very fact that I'm asking it means it has something to do with
it.
WOOD: What?
KANE: What -- why -- I don't have to -- I don't have to just -- if
you're now
going to make me justify every question that I ask -- now we're so --
you know,
in the very beginning, Lin, you sent a letter...
WOOD: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
KANE: I know. I'm not. I'm just emphasizing. You sent a letter.
WOOD: My point's (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
KANE: And I'm not -- you know, this is nothing personal. You do your
job. I'm
doing mine. At the very beginning, you sent a letter to us, and you laid
down this
fair and objective -- as long as these questions are fair and objective,
you'll
answer. And I wrote back to you -- and I wrote a letter back, and within
five
minutes of you getting that letter off your fax machine, you were on the
phone
with me. And then the next day, you...
WOOD: (UNINTELLIGIBLE). You know, I wrote a letter to Chief Beckner,
which I'd be glad to make part of this record, and then I got a letter
from you,
and I called you.
KANE: That's right, and we spoke about that, and the next day...
WOOD: And (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
KANE: And the next day, you wrote another letter saying that there would
be no
conditions on this interview.
WOOD: Now wait a minute.
KANE: Oh, yes, you did.
WOOD: I didn't impose any conditions.
KANE: You are right now. Now you're asking me...
WOOD: I said...
KANE: ... what's the purpose of me asking the question. That's an --
that's a
condition.
WOOD: No, it's not.
KANE: Oh, well, what do you call it?
WOOD: Just what it was. I asked you a question.
KANE: But I'm saying I don't...
WOOD: I haven't imposed any...
KANE: ... have to explain my purpose. I'm asking a question. If you
don't want
to answer the question, don't answer it, but I don't have to justify the
question.
WOOD: Mr. Kane, you misrepresent my letter to you. You misrepresent our
conversation. You misrepresent our -- your statements that I have
imposed
conditions. Let me finish. All the -- the only...
KANE: You know, Mr. Wood, this is a sham.
WOOD: No, it's not.
KANE: This is a big publicity stunt...
WOOD: No, it's not.
KANE: ... on your part. You want to go out there and say, "My client"...
WOOD: No, it's not.
KANE: ... "answered every question." Well, don't say that because you're
not
letting your client answer this question.
WOOD: Why don't you -- Mr. Kane, why don't you sit down and let's --
let's --
let's try...
KANE: You're obstructing.
WOOD: Let's try to be...
KANE: You're obstructing, Lin. You're asking me now to justify...
WOOD: Mr. Kane, sit down.
KANE: ... why I am asking a question.
WOOD: Sit down.
KANE: No. You just -- yes or no. Can she answer that question?
WOOD: Mr. Kane, life does not always turn on what Michael Kane thinks is
fair.
KANE: Just...
WOOD: Give me a second. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
KANE: Well, I think you are.
WOOD: Well...
KANE: I think you are. You're asking me to justify...
WOOD: Give me a chance to talk without jumping up and making your
pre-planned speeches.

[The Punisher]

I know some parents would do ANYTHING to save their kid.

[MlazyV]

Originally Posted by Spade

What if JonBenet’s death was caused by someone/persons under 10 years of age:

1.Would parents try to cover up the crime scene before they realized their child couldn’t be held legally responsible?

2.Would lawyers be able to convince prosecutors that it was “in the best interest of the child” to obfuscate the facts of JonBenet’s death?

3.Would a politically savvy lawyer like Hal Haddon risk his reputation to lobby the governor to keep the case in Alex Hunter’s control? (#4 in Lawyering JonBenet)

4.Would Henry Lee say: There is not enough evidence to determine whether this was an accident or murder?

5.Would John Ramsey say: “We’re not talking to you!” seconds after calling 911?

6.Would John Andrew Ramsey say: “The killers should be forgiven?

IMO the answer to all these questions is YES! Please add to this list.

7. Would the district attorney refuse to investigate and follow up on valid pertinent leads such as the doll/fiber evidence Pam Paugh removed from the crime scene?

Is it too hard to consider the torso of the doll maybe the source of tan cotton fibers found on the duct tape? Is it too hard to see that the wool skirt may be the source of dark blue fibers found on JonBenet's shirt? Is to hard to see there is a problem with the neck strings getting tangled in the hair with duct tape providing a remedy? Isn't it chilling to realize a doll like this was removed from the crime scene and a duplicate was delivered to John Ramseys's office within days of the funeral.





you be the judge...

[Tricia]

MlazyV, You have hit one of my biggest nerves.

The "doll" issue is one that needs to be looked at but the D.A.'s office has refused to do so.

I do know they were contacted with this information, that an exact replica of the doll was sent to "JonBenet Ramsey" in early Janurary to John's work place. WHY? Wasn't this doll ordered in early Janurary too? My memory is fading so don't hold me to that.

Spade, this is why I go back and forth between all three in the house that night. You provide a very strong argument concerning who did the crime, then I go back and forth with why I think it was Patsy or John and Patsy, then I am back to Burke John and Patsy...

AAARRRRGGGGHHHH