Tracey + Gray + San Augustin + Smit

Tracey worked with Gray + San Augustin for his crocks. They appeared in the infamous "Prime Suspect".

Gray was assisting Tracey with Karr's emails-- this was widely reported in the media.

Smit is partners with Gray and SanAugustin.

Smit is/was a consultant to the Boulder D.A.

All 4 of these men attended Patsy's funeral.


AND Tracey only alledgedly reported this 4 months ago?

 

Lions and tigers and bears, oh MY!

You're right, Sabrina, these 4 animals have been THE BDA "investigators" since Lacy took over the case. Tom Bennett, and whatever other stand ins there might have been for him, were figureheads in large part and only performed what the Smit gang couldn't due to licensing issues. But from the Boulder letter you posted the other day, Bennett did squat 3 out of the 5 years they've had the case, the only other 2 being the same years Tracey et al were preparing one or the other of their crockumentaries. I will never forget St. Augustin sitting on camera so excitedly telling the world of their plans to swab every mouth in Boulder! LOLOL

 

yep, Tracey only reported this 4 months ago yet he'd exchanged emails with Karr for at least 4 years?!?!? Whatever. :dervish:

 

Flashback to 2001

Yep, they have been sleeping together for a LONG TIME.

And what were these guys doing back in the spring of 2001 while John Karr was sitting in jail waiting for somebody from Boulder to investigate him since Sonoma County Ca claimed they alerted Boulder? I mean if Sonoma County did alert Boulder then SOMEBODY should have checked it out, right?

Let's do a flashback.

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2001-03-03 Wendy Hutchens sees red flags go up when she gets contact with John Karr babbling about JonBenet, Hutchens said he confessed to the murder and she has proof she says. Between March 3rd and April 2nd, 2001 she's working undercover with the Sonoma County LE to tape record Karr's calls/logging the e-mails

2001-03-29 John and Patsy Ramsey file an $80M libel and slander lawsuit against Steve Thomas so their busy with that

2001-03-29 Lin Wood had a chat a online webbsleuths

2001-03-00 David Cooper aka "Hitman" contacts John Ramsey saying he had inside information on the murder of JonBenet and wanted Ramsey to send him $3,000 to pay for him and his parents to fly to Boulder, Colorado.

2001-04-02 Sonoma Co LE get search warrant and siege Karr's computer and discover porn. John Karr is arrested on 5 counts Porn charges.

2001-04-03 John and Patsy Ramsey interview with the National Enquirer

2001-04-03 Lin Wood's on the Today show talking about the lawsuit

2001-04-14 Susan Bennett aka Jameson posted on her forum claiming she found the "Patricia" letter writer but she ain't tellin'

2001-04-17 John Karr pleaded not guilty to the charges, according to court documents

2001-04-30 Lou Smit is on Entertainment Tonight showing NEW crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory.

2001-04-30 Lou Smit is on the Today Show Part 1 showing crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory

2001-04-30 Lou Smit is on the Today Show Part 2 showing crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory

Smit's crime scene photos obviously peak the Boulder Police interest
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2001-04-30 CITY OF BOULDER NEWS RELEASE - In response to questions about Lou Smit and his Ramsey case theories, the Boulder Police Department believes it would be improper to debate the merits of the evidence in the public arena. Both Police and District Attorney investigators have been aware of Lou Smit's theories and interpretation of the evidence since 1997. Lou Smit left the investigation in the fall of 1998 and has not been involved for the last 2 ½ years of ongoing investigation. The case and development of evidence has changed significantly over that period of time. "We certainly do not know what Mr. Smit hopes to accomplish, but we do not wish to have public debate about what evidence we do and do not have," Chief Mark Beckner said

Current facts and figures related to the investigation are as follows:

Number of people formally interviewed to date: More than 600.
Note: Many have been interviewed more than one time.
Number of outside experts and consultants utilized to date: More than 60.
Number of persons investigated as possible suspects to date: About 140.
Number of items of evidence logged into property to date: About 1,400.
Approximate size of investigative case file to date: About 40,000 pages.
Number of phone tips: About 5,200
Number of letters received in reference to Ramsey case: More than 3,500.
Number of states investigation has taken Boulder Police to: 17
There will be no further comments by the Police Department
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2001-05-01 Lou Smit is on the Today Show Part 3 showing crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory

2001-05-02 Lou Smit is on the Today Show Part 4 showing crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory

2001-05-03 Lou Smit is on the Today Show Part 5 showing crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory

2001-05-04 Lou Smit is on the Today Show Part 6 showing crime scene photos and pushing the intruder theory

2001-05-04 Rocky Mountain News features "Clues in the case" including all the key points of evidence that retired detective Lou Smit presents in making his case that an intruder killed JonBenet Ramsey

2001-05-10 Lin Wood Letter to Keenan - “I am sure you are aware of the recent appearances by Detectives Lou Smit and Steve Ainsworth on NBC and the compelling intruder evidence broadcast to millions of viewers in connection with their appearances. It has been brought to my attention that in response to these broadcasts, a number of individuals have communicated with Colorado Attorney General Ken Salazar, urging his office to have the JonBenét Ramsey murder investigated by experienced, unbiased homicide investigators. I believe that many citizens share my feelings and the feelings of my clients, John and Patsy Ramsey, that the Boulder Police Department is not capable of solving this caseâ€

2001-05-18 Online Petition was put up for a special investigator in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case put up by "Friends of JonBenet website" at "friendsforjonbenet.org" owned by Suzanne Goebel

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2001-05-21 Rocky Mountain News article titled,
"SMIT OFFERS `SUSPECT' LIST IN JONBENET SLAYING"
Lou Smit and Ollie Gray are featured.

"Gray spent 25 years in law enforcement in Texas and California before becoming a private investigator. Smit, who handled more than 200 homicide investigations in the Colorado Springs area, was hired to help the Boulder district attorney with the case in early 1997. He quit 18 months later, saying he was concerned that authorities were wrongly zeroing in on the Ramseys."

They state that a HARDER LOOK needs to be made on the following:
- Michael Helgoth (Bootman) A Boulder County man who committed suicide on Feb. 14, 1997
- Gary Olivia - A man who showed up at a memorial service for JonBenet
- CandyMan - Informant said had a basement shrine to JonBenet
- David Cooper (Hitman) - A man who said he killed JonBenet in an e-mail

"He (Ollie Gray) said he provided Boulder police a 52-page document with leads last May and a follow-up document in October. Last month, Ramsey attorney Wood mailed Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner more information collected by Gray."

"Boulder police already were aware of some of the names he provided, Gray said, but he urged further investigation. In some cases, he said, he has checked back with tipsters or friends and relatives of potential suspects only to find Boulder police never contacted them."

"I would question the thoroughness of their investigation and their actual
effort to select other potential suspects, suspects with histories,'' he (Ollie Gray) said."

"In a recent interview with the News, Beckner didn't go into detail about progress in the investigation, describing it as stop-and-go. Some of it was simply waiting on laboratory tests, he said."

"Sometimes we get information on somebody, that somebody needs to be looked at,'' Beckner said. ``Somebody calls in information, then we have detectives investigate that. And it may develop into some more work that needs to be done. It kind of comes and goes based on what's going on at the time."

"Beckner has said publicly that the man who committed suicide was eliminated as a potential suspect. Police said the man's boots didn't match the print left in the Ramsey basement and his DNA didn't match the unknown DNA found under JonBenet's fingernails or in her panties. "

Gray questions those conclusions.

He said police never have said exactly how the boots didn't match, and he said he interviewed two former girlfriends of the man who said they never spoke with Boulder police.

Gray said one of the women told him she had once become angry with the man because she found him naked under bedsheets with her young daughter on the covers above.

As for DNA, Gray asks why police would eliminate him on that basis but won't eliminate John and Patsy for the same reason. Their DNA doesn't match either, according to police.

``If (police) cleared him on DNA, that's fine,'' said Gray. ``Why not the Ramseys?''
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2001-05-21 Lou Smit on the Fox News Report, crime scene/intruder again
2001-05-22 Lou Smit on the Fox News Report, crime scene/intruder again
2001-05-23 Lou Smit on the Fox News Report, crime scene/intruder again
2001-05-24 Lou Smit on the Fox News Report, crime scene/intruder again

2001-05-28 Lou Smit on Larry King Live

2001-07-11 Michael Tracy’s British Documentary “Who Killed the Pageant Queen?†(Lou Smit and his intruder Theory, Tour of Boulder house, Crime Scene Photos, the whole works) Guest Star was: LOU SMIT, Clips or Comments by: MAYOR LESLIE DURGAN, RAMSEY CHRISTMAS HOME VIDEO, PAGEANT VIDEO, PRESS CONFERENCE, ALEX HUNTER, JOHN ANDERSON, GREG WALTA, LATE LATE SHOW with Tom Snider, JOHN AND PATSY RAMSEY INTERVIEW, RAMSEY XMAS HOME VIDEO, JOHN ANDERSON, NBC DATELINE, Bardol, GERALDO RIVERA, MIKE DOBERSEN, HARD COPY, SMIT & BOB RUSSEL SITTING CHATTING, PRESS CONFERENCE OUTSIDE A BUILDING, PATSY PLAYING PIANO

2001-07-25 "Friends for JonBenet" place ad in Daily Camera News

2001-08-07 "B n Jazzy4ever45" posts confession in maketoast guestbook

2001-08-17 Jameson sends "DNA Tipster's" friend underwear to Mark Becker

2001-08-24 Globe publishes article on Jameson "DNA Tipster"

2001-08-00 "Friends for JonBenet" place ad in Daily Camera News

2001-09-01 John/Patsy Ramsey on WBM-TV (Chan 36) North Augusta promoting their paperback book, "Death of Innocence."

2001-09-11 It is reported that the Boulder police are investigating an "online tip" about a possible confession made in a guestbook at an internet web site. A search warrant was filed in VA (AOL's HQs) for the subscriber's name, other screen names, e-mail files, buddy lists and aliases

2001-10-02 Jameson reports on her forum that an "unknown Nancy" confesses to being the writer of the ransom note that was the brain child of some sick brain.

2001-10-03 Boulder Police issue a statement pertaining to the recent online hoax. They discover "B n Jazzy4ever45" confession was a hoax:

2001-10-05 John Karr served about six months in Sonoma County, Ca. jail, in lieu of $100,000 bail, got out on supervised release

2001-12-06 It is reported that the basement room where JonBenet's body was discovered has been sealed off by a brick wall covered with plaster. (NOTE: It should not be miscontrued that the room was sealed on this date, Dec 6, 2001, only that the information was reported in an article on this date as a 'sidebar' type statement.)

2001-12-13 John Karr failed to appear in court. A warrant was issued for his arrest.

2001-12-07 High Peaks Elementary School has another tree that they have planted in memory of JonBenet. The first tree died due to insect infestation.

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December 17, 2001 Boulder police release new cost figures relating to this case. The breakout is as follows:

Year --- Total
1996 --- $21,377.73
1997 --- $531,475,01
1998 --- $630,956.93
1999 --- $238,187.98
2000 --- $146,073.31
2001 --- $41,315.33

The 2001 expenditure figure breaks out as follows:$39,518.11 for officers' salaries, $1,247.22 in overtime and $550 for investigative expenses.

Other numbers: more than 60 experts and consultants, logging 1,400 itemsas evidence, compiling 43,000 file pages, and receipt of 4,800 letters

The case has taken detectives to 18 different states. Currently, as many as four detectives work the case.

Case Costs: Press Release #84
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2001-12-18 An interview with Elllis Armistead is released. Armistead claims Lin Wood was putting out false information when he claimed that there were "startling new revelations" in the case. Armistead felt it was misleading.
He said it took 2yrs after the crime before he saw the crime scene photos.
Armistead said his assignment was not to solve the crime, but to keep the Ramseys from being arrested. Armistead stated that while he realized parents do kill their children that it "didn't really matter to him whether they did or didn't do it" as his mandate was "protect the Ramseys".

2001-12-19 Lin Wood wrote a letter to the editor of one of the Boulder papers with a complaint about how he was portrayed in an article with respect to Armistead

2001-12-25 Five year anniversary since JonBenet was murdered.

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This was all back in 2001. Michael Tracy stated he was corresponding with John Karr for four years and Ollie Gray said that was under the watchful eye of himself and Lou Smit. Four years ago was 2002. And what were these guys doing in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 while John Karr was penning these their letters?

2002-10-04 CBS 48 Hours (Lou Smit on intruder theory and Ollie Gray and John San Augustin fingering Gary Oliva as the prime suspect) (They said his DNA was checked and he wasn't a match)

2003-05-11 CourtTV Second Look (Lou Smit on intruder theory showing crime scene photos, touring the Boulder house) (Executive producer is Michael Tracy)

2004-06-04 Michael Tracy's "PrimeSuspect" (aired in the UK) (John San Augustin, Ollie Gray, David Williams, Jennifer Getty with comments by Lou Smit all fingering Michael Helgoth showing crime scene photos of his dead body and in this one they feature the new Mr. X (John Gigax) as his ninja partner. And featuring "stick it to ya" John Kenady. Here they strongly suggest after the murder that Gigax probably murdered Helgoth. They even state that Helgoth's DNA is not a match) (Producer Michael Tracy and David Mills)

2005-04-21-CourtTV A Closer Look - The Investigators (John San Augustin, Ollie Gray, Pete Peterson all fingering Michael Helgoth showing crime scene
photos of his dead body) (Executive producer is Michael Tracy)

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Smit Offers `suspect' List In Jonbenet Slaying

Here's the news article (Many thanks to Sabreena for helping to find the full article)

May 21, 2001
SMIT OFFERS `SUSPECT' LIST IN JONBENET SLAYING
Author: Todd Hartman
News Staff Writer

If an intruder killed JonBenet Ramsey, then who was it?

Two weeks ago, veteran detective Lou Smit went public with evidence of his intruder theory without identifying any suspects in the December 1996 murder.

But he and a Ramsey-hired investigator on the case say suspects are out there who haven't been thoroughly investigated by Boulder police.

They say they've interviewed friends, relatives and associates of potential suspects who Boulder police never talked to and have provided detailed leads that authorities haven't pursued.

``The only attention they are giving to any leads that come into them is to say `We've investigated them and eliminated them,' '' said Ollie Gray, who was hired by the Ramseys 16 months ago and works closely with Smit.

Boulder police would not respond to the accusation, but in the past have said they have thoroughly pursued every viable lead in the case.

Gray spent 25 years in law enforcement in Texas and California before becoming a private investigator. Smit, who handled more than 200 homicide investigations in the Colorado Springs area, was hired to help the Boulder district attorney with the case in early 1997. He quit 18 months later, saying he was concerned that authorities were wrongly zeroing in on the Ramseys.

Gray and Smit say authorities need to take a harder look at several possible suspects, including:

* A Boulder County man who committed suicide on Feb. 14, 1997, the day then- Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter publicly announced to the killer: ``You will pay for what you've done to this beautiful little girl.'' Photos of the suicide scene show a stun gun near the body. Smit believes a stun gun was used on JonBenet. The dead man also owned Hi-Tec boots. A Hi-Tec boot print was found in mold growing on the basement floor near JonBenet's body.

In addition, a short video clip of a Channel 4 newscast was found amid his belongings. The May 1993 newscast began with the discovery of the body of Alie Berrelez, a 5-year-old who was kidnapped from her Englewood home and found dead four days later in a duffel bag in Deer Creek Canyon in Jefferson County. No one ever was charged in the case.

* A man who showed up at a memorial service for JonBenet a year after her death. The man has a criminal history, including the sexual assault of a 7-year-old girl in Oregon, Gray said. Records indicate the man once tried to strangle his mother with a telephone cord. Around the time of the murder, he was getting food and picking up mail at a church near the Ramsey home. When arrested on an unrelated charge in December, officials found a stun gun and a poem about JonBenet in his backpack. Gray said Boulder police may be conducting DNA analysis on the man.

* A man living in a suburb east of Boulder who an informant said had a basement shrine to JonBenet. The shrine included a candy cane similar to the candy canes in the Ramsey's front yard at the time of the murder. The tipster also said the man owned stun guns. Gray said, to his knowledge, Boulder police have never contacted the tipster since Gray provided authorities with the information.

* A man who said he killed JonBenet in an e-mail last October to Gray, Ramsey attorney Lin Wood and John Ramsey, as well as in phone calls to John Ramsey. Gray said he believes the man is probably running a scam because he sought money as part of his contact. But he passed the information on to Boulder police anyway because the man knew intimate details about the Ramsey home that Gray didn't believe had been made public.

He said he provided Boulder police a 52-page document with leads last May and a follow-up document in October. Last month, Ramsey attorney Wood mailed Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner more information collected by Gray.

Boulder police already were aware of some of the names he provided, Gray said, but he urged further investigation. In some cases, he said, he has checked back with tipsters or friends and relatives of potential suspects only to find Boulder police never contacted them.

``I would question the thoroughness of their investigation and their actual effort to select other potential suspects, suspects with histories,'' he said.

Beckner didn't return a phone call seeking his response to the complaint. But in previous comments and press releases, Beckner has said Boulder police have investigated about 140 people as possible suspects - including more than 50 convicted sex offenders - and that the Ramsey investigation has taken detectives to 17 states.

In a recent interview with the News, Beckner didn't go into detail about progress in the investigation, describing it as stop-and-go. Some of it was simply waiting on laboratory tests, he said.

``Sometimes we get information on somebody, that somebody needs to be looked at,'' Beckner said. ``Somebody calls in information, then we have detectives investigate that. And it may develop into some more work that needs to be done. It kind of comes and goes based on what's going on at the time.''

In an April press release, the police department said it would not respond to Smit's intruder theory, adding, ``the case and development of evidence has changed significantly'' since Smit left his role with the District Attorney's Office in the fall of 1998.

In the release, the police said they had interviewed ``more than 600'' people in the case. In a June 1998 press release, the department said it had interviewed 590 people, suggesting investigators had talked to 10 or more people since the grand jury disbanded without an indictment in October of 1999.

Beckner has said publicly that the man who committed suicide was eliminated as a potential suspect. Police said the man's boots didn't match the print left in the Ramsey basement and his DNA didn't match the unknown DNA found under JonBenet's fingernails or in her panties.

Gray questions those conclusions.

He said police never have said exactly how the boots didn't match, and he said he interviewed two former girlfriends of the man who said they never spoke with Boulder police.

Gray said one of the women told him she had once become angry with the man because she found him naked under bedsheets with her young daughter on the covers above.

As for DNA, Gray asks why police would eliminate him on that basis but won't eliminate John and Patsy for the same reason. Their DNA doesn't match either, according to police.

``If (police) cleared him on DNA, that's fine,'' said Gray. ``Why not the Ramseys?''

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I've seen Gray and San Augusten on two interviews in the past week and I'm sorry, but those two both look and act like they've been hit with a stun gun repeatedly. Did Lou run out of pigs or what? Not very nice to say, but man alive, they really come across like duds!

 

bump :lamb:

 

http://www.uia-pi.org/UIA-Experience.htm


From what I recall, Ollie was a former police officer and John's experience is in computer forensics.