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Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Watching You, Apr 26, 2006.

  1. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Heh, in that case, mayhap mybelief should send her posts to jameson to be included in the new book, All Jams' Lies. It could go in the chapter about po' po' Patsy and the Lynch Mob.
     
  2. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    You're being very insensitive to my emotional devastation, WY.
     
  3. Elle

    Elle Member

    I would say you're all doing a great job here. Not much anyone can add. Does anyone have a good feeling of who "my belief" is yet?
     
  4. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Well, perhaps you didn't get the memo, BobC.

    We all took a flight to Hawaii for Easter Sunday services, where it turns out John Ramsey--for a fee--announced his intention to become a preacher and witness. Which, when you think about it, might be a good job for him. He would be great at prisons, praying with killers and convicts, I'm sure he would have lots of empathy....

    But alas, the Devil overtook us, natch, and we went surfing and got side-tracked ogling all the surfers boys--which in our defense I must say is very good for the hearts of us geriatrics.... By comparison, a dreary old lynching just didn't seem a priority....

    So the lynching was canceled, to be rescheduled, and the guttah secretary should be contacting all guttah lowest of the scumiest when a future lynching date is firmed up.

    By the way, does anyone know who the guttah secretary is?
     
  5. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Yeah, maybe this was just a STAGED post by her/herbelief, to try to cozy up to jams and get in the book....

    The RST does staging so well, I hope his/herbelief isn't disappointed if he/she fails. The competition is fierce among WORLD-CLASS stagers....
     
  6. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Yeah, you're right, classic RST spin and lack of reason or common sense. This is their trademark double standard: accuse us of having no evidence upon which we base our opinions, then refuse to give any to support their own attacks or opinions. I'd think they were lazy, but when you consider they really don't have anything to support their accusations and position...not much they can do but personal attacks.

    Well, in the interest of fairness, if his/herbullchit can't keep up his/her end of the discussion which he/she started, I know this by heart:

    New evidence: old DNA newly discovered/developed--two plus years ago--and entered into the CODIS database weekly. No hits to date that we know of, though I'm sure the Ramseys and Wood check in every week to find out. Aren't you?

    I'm thinking...thinking...thinking....

    New exculpatory evidence...new evidence...new anything....

    OH! There was a NEW croc last year...the one where Tracey paraded out crazy Kenady, burglar with a history of his own, to make unsubstantiated accusations against people who have never had one piece of evidence connect them to this murder, other than crazy Kenady's rants for attention. You remember, the one where Tracey aired pictures of a suicide victim at the death scene for all the world to see, to prove that...the man was dead...which proves that...he died...OF GUILT OVER HIS MURDER OF JONBENET RAMSEY! Even though not one solid piece of evidence has ever proven he ever laid eyes on the Rams or knew they existed...NO MATTER!

    Oh, and that NEWLY DEVELOPED DNA...that has no CODIS hit? Also no match with ANY of THE USUAL SUSPECTS! None. Nada. So...logically...that means...ANOTHER INTRUDER! In fact...IT'S THE FOREIGN FACTION!

    Now THAT'S intelligent reasoning! No wonder we in the guttah can't keep up! We still have half our brains functioning!

    Talk about LYNCH MOBS....

    How come nobody in the RST ever calls THEMSELVES lynch mobs, anyhow? I can think of quite a few people who have been and continue to be unfairly lynched over this case by the RST...and they can't ALL be guilty, even if one of them was...unless you're Mikie...or Jeff Johnson...in which case...nevermind....
     
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  7. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Someone get me a hanky

    I just can't go on. When I think of the injustice...
     
  8. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Help me JESUS

    Po' Patsy!
     

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  9. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Oh Lawdy.....I feel the need to travel to Lynchborg Tennessee for a shot of Jack Denials now that Bob has leaked this evidence. :crosseyed

    RR
     
  10. Aurora

    Aurora Member

    My Belief

    If you have an open mind....read this lengthly article and then you'll see why Ramsey's are the culprits...

    >>Solving the JonBenet Case
    >>
    >>by Ryan Ross
    >>
    >>Copyright by Ryan Ross. 2003. All rights reserved. Copying and posting or
    >>otherwise disseminating any portion of this article is a violation of
    >>copyright law.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>It's time for closure. More than six years have passed since JonBenet
    >Ramsey
    >>was killed. Most all the evidence is in. The principals have had more than
    >>enough time to ponder, scrutinize, and digest. The grand jurors have long
    >>since heard, deliberated, and gone home without a peep. The new district
    >>attorney isn't up to the job. The media are desperate for a climax - any
    >>climax.
    >>
    >>The public - misled by assorted media jackals clamoring for microwave
    >>justice - pines for a murder trial that will never happen, all but
    resigned
    >>to an O.J.-esque outcome in which there is no closure, and where doubts
    and
    >>suspicions linger as long as memory allows.
    >>
    >>Some have moved on. Others will perpetuate the hand wringing about how the
    >>system failed.
    >>
    >>No one will be satisfied. And the truth will remain buried.
    >>
    >>But there is a way out of the morass. The mysterious 1996 killing of
    beauty
    >>queen JonBenet Ramsey of Boulder, Colo., doesn't have to be another O.J.
    >>There is still time. The police blunders were not fatal. The right laws
    are
    >>on the Colorado books. Secret statements by prosecutors suggest the
    >evidence
    >>is strong. All that's needed now is a strong Colorado governor willing to
    >>intervene by appointing a special prosecutor to take over the case.
    >>
    >>Even if Gov. Bill Owens does appoint a special prosecutor, getting to the
    >>bottom of the mystery is not going to be easy. The key players all bring
    >>ample flaws to the table. The process has more potholes than pavement. And
    >>given the track record of events since the night JonBenet was killed, more
    >>blunders by those responsible for ensuring justice are likely.
    >>
    >>But it can happen nonetheless, and it won't take a miracle.
    >>
    >>Before dissecting the killing, it's important to remember why the JonBenet
    >>saga has topped the "who-dun-it" charts for six years now. The same
    factors
    >>that helped JonBenet attract the spotlight in life worked even more
    >>powerfully in death. She was the epitome of American beauty. Long blond
    >>hair. Big eyes. High cheek bones. A disarming smile. Watching her sashay
    >>across the stage as she competed in a succession of beauty pageants,
    >>twirling her hair, swinging her hips, and doing a mini-dance while wearing
    >>outfits that seemed right off a Paris runway fashion show, it's clear she
    >>could easily breach the line - even if she didn't mean to - between the
    >>feminine innocence beauty-pageant sponsors profess to spotlight, and
    >>something more deliberate and calculating. One reporter watching videos of
    >>JonBenet's stage performances described her appeal as a "coquettish allure
    >>that stopped just short of being seductive."
    >>
    >>Seductiveness being in the eye of the beholder, few would have much noted
    >>JonBenet's stage persona - even after her killing - except for one glaring
    >>feature that transcends even her astonishing good looks: at the time of
    her
    >>death, she was 6 years old.
    >>
    >>Barely old enough to be in school.
    >>
    >>Yet old enough to be a beauty-pageant queen several times over.
    >>
    >>And old enough to die a gruesome death, in the comfort of her own home, no
    >>less, under circumstances that suggested her loving parents may have
    killed
    >>her.
    >>
    >>The media, understandably, went nuts, attracted by an unsolved murder
    (what
    >>appeared to be a murder, anyway), invoking the image of the Keystone Kops
    >as
    >>they reported the police blunders (starting with the failure to properly
    >>secure the crime scene), examining the question of whether the Ramseys'
    >>wealth won them protection from the law, exposing the world of beauty
    >>pageants for 6-year-olds, chronicling each blow of the almost unheard of
    >>battle between police and prosecutors (who at times seemed to be as
    >>interested in investigating each other as JonBenet's killing),
    breathlessly
    >>reporting the reassignments and resignations of key law enforcement
    >>personnel (a police detective, the lead police commander on the case, the
    >>police chief), the dueling angry resignations by embittered detectives
    (one
    >>on the police force, the other in the district attorney's office), the
    >>sideshow criminal cases (for release of the autopsy photos and for bribery
    >>in an attempt to get the ransom note), and the more than a dozen civil
    >cases
    >>spawned as so-and-so sued so-and-so for slander, libel, or defamation.
    >>
    >>Oh, and positively salivating at the opportunity to print pictures of
    >>gorgeous JonBenet, and replay again and again the videotapes of her
    >>oh-so-cute stage performances that quickly made the rounds. If some
    viewers
    >>thought JonBenet looked sexy, who in the media would argue? Sex sells,
    even
    >>6-year-old sex. "It's a sick curiosity," then Boulder Police Chief Tom
    Koby
    >>complained.
    >>
    >>Maybe. Certainly powerful. The case has spawned a dozen books, two
    >>documentaries, a made-for-TV movie, a slew of web sites and Internet
    >forums,
    >>more supermarket tabloid headlines than Jennifer Lopez, Gary Condit, and
    >all
    >>the TV reality shows combined, dozens of network prime-time magazine and
    >>morning-show segments, and countless hours of gabfests on the cable
    >>talk-shows. JonBenet has outdone O.J., and a possible trial is still to
    >come
    >>(if Colorado's governor finally gets involved).
    >>
    >>Underlying the hype are two threads to the story that even those jaded by
    >>yet another so called "crime-of-the-century" have difficulty resisting.
    The
    >>first, of course, is JonBenet herself. She seemed to hold promise for a
    >>special life, and not just because of her looks. "I remember coming home
    >and
    >>telling my wife 'I saw an angel tonight,'" Bill McReynolds said of the day
    >>he met JonBenet. McReynolds was playing Santa that day. "She was one of
    the
    >>only children who ever talked to me who didn't ask for anything,"
    >McReynolds
    >>recalled. "Instead, she gave."
    >>
    >>"I've said I don't think there's anyone too good for this world,"
    >McReynolds
    >>said at JonBenet's memorial service. "But she was pretty close."
    >>
    >>The other compelling thread is JonBenet's parents. They couldn't have
    >killed
    >>their daughter, could they have? "From a kid's viewpoint," columnist Wendy
    >>Underhill wrote in the Boulder Weekly soon after the killing, "if it
    >becomes
    >>even a remote possibility that the murderer was someone close to the
    child,
    >>then family itself ceases to be a secure refuge. It touches on what must
    be
    >>a child's ultimate nightmare: that Mommy or Daddy will kill her.
    >>
    >>"Ordinarily such a thought keeps to its place: the deep, dark
    subconscious.
    >>JonBenet's death has brought it into the light. At some point a child's
    >>cocoon is stripped away, but surely 6-year-olds don't need to learn about
    >>horror on the home front yet. Please, my heart asks, let it be anyone but
    >>Mom or Dad."
    >>
    >>The New Evidence
    >>
    >>This scenario for unraveling the mystery of the Dec. 25-26, 1996 slaying
    of
    >>beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey is based in large part on documents not in
    the
    >>public record, including complete transcripts of the interviews of John
    and
    >>Patsy Ramsey conducted by law enforcement officials in 1997, 1998, and
    >2000.
    >>
    >>Videotapes of the interviews were given late last year to NBC, CNN, and
    CBS
    >>by, of all people, the Ramsey's attorney, L. Lin Wood of Atlanta. The
    >>networks didn't seem to know what to do with them. NBC hasn't used them at
    >>all as far as I have been able to tell. CBS cited them briefly during a
    "48
    >>Hours" segment. And all CNN did was give them to Larry King, who gave
    >Ramsey
    >>attorney Wood yet another platform to defend his clients. If Wood's motive
    >>in releasing the videotapes was to use them to his clients' PR advantage
    >and
    >>pre-empt a damaging leak from police, it worked like a charm.
    >>
    >>As it happens, these interviews are a treasure chest of information. They
    >>contain the most complete account of statements by John and Patsy Ramsey.
    >>They also reveal the most thorough detailing of the evidence against them,
    >>including the first glimpse into evidence heard by the grand jury
    impaneled
    >>in 1998 to investigate the slaying. And they provide a key to
    understanding
    >>the case.
    >>
    >>So breathe deep, let go of preconceived notions, and start by considering
    >>the possibility that the one premise in the case repeated by the media
    more
    >>often than any other - that JonBenet was murdered - is wrong.
    >>
    >>Was It Murder?
    >>
    >>There are two important components of a death that form the basis for a
    >>conclusion of murder. The first is what the deceased's body reveals about
    >>the circumstances of death.
    >>
    >>The best evidence that JonBenet was murdered has always been the force of
    >>the blow to her head and the apparent viciousness of her strangulation.
    >Each
    >>is a flimsy foundation for a conclusion of murder. As a legal term,
    >"murder"
    >>occurs when someone acts with the intent to kill. To say the power of a
    >blow
    >>to the head speaks to the intent of the one delivering it is a crude tool
    >>for legal analysis. The blow, no matter how hard, could have been
    >>accidental, or unintentionally life-threatening. And the strangulation, if
    >>done on a limp, seemingly lifeless body, could have been motivated by
    >>someone's desire to stage the scene to distract. Tie a cord around her
    neck
    >>and stick a finger in her vagina and you'll have people thinking sex
    crime.
    >>Some did.
    >>
    >>That sequence is consistent with what forensic pathologists told Boulder
    >>police had likely happened, according to Det. Steve Thomas in his book on
    >>the case (JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation) and author
    >>Lawrence Schiller (Perfect Murder, Perfect Town). Schiller, citing unnamed
    >>"specialists," and Thomas, citing Michigan pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz,
    >say
    >>pathologists told police that someone struck JonBenet in the head with a
    >bat
    >>or a metal object such as a flashlight (each was found in the home, clean
    >of
    >>fingerprints). Her skull was fractured. Massive brain damage was
    >>instantaneous. She could never have regained consciousness.
    >>
    >>She was then strangled by someone who placed a cord around her neck and
    >>twisted it tight with a garrote fashioned from a paintbrush in the
    basement
    >>of the Ramsey home. JonBenet offered no resistance. The strangulation
    >>stopped all of JonBenet's bodily functioning, but in time the blow to the
    >>head would have been fatal by itself. The strangler could easily have
    >>believed JonBenet was dead, in which case the strangler couldn't be a
    >>murderer because you can't murder someone you think is dead, even if you
    >>were, as it turned out, wrong.
    >>
    >>The forensic evidence from the body, then, is inconclusive. It could have
    >>been murder. But the blow to her head could just as easily have been
    >>unintentional.
    >>
    >>The belief that JonBenet was murdered is so ingrained in public perception
    >>of the case in part because Boulder law-enforcement officials have
    >>consistently said she was murdered, and the media have dutifully repeated
    >>that conclusion. How else to explain what happened to her? In fact, from
    >the
    >>beginning of the case there never has been anything about what JonBenet's
    >>body shows that couldn't be just as easily explained by an accident and
    >then
    >>a cover-up designed to distract. That's one reason famed criminologist
    >Henry
    >>Lee (famous, largely, because of his work on the O.J. case) repeatedly
    >urged
    >>Boulder officials to consider the possibility they were dealing with the
    >>result of an accident. "Whether ... it was murder or an accidental death
    >>with staging of the crime scene remains an open question in my mind," Lee
    >>wrote in his 2001 book Famous Crimes Revisited.
    >>
    >>The next step in determining whether someone was murdered is identifying a
    >>perpetrator with motive. The weakness of the forensic evidence as proof of
    >>murder is all the more glaring when combined with the complete lack of
    >>evidence either parent had any reason to harm, let alone murder, JonBenet.
    >>All indications are that each loved her as fervently as the most loving of
    >>parents.
    >>
    >>JonBenet's brother, Burke, who was 9 at the time of his sister's death,
    >>arguably had motive to kill her, if one is willing to allow that sibling
    >>rivalry can sometimes escalate into violent rage. And a 9-year-old is
    >>certainly less able to judge the result of a blow to the head than an
    >adult,
    >>or be able to deliver a measured blow designed to punish instead of kill.
    >>Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter is among those who privately
    >>considered the possibility that Burke played a role in the death of his
    >>sister. "I wonder if Burke is involved in this," Hunter mused out loud one
    >>day, former Boulder police detective Steve Thomas wrote in his book.
    >>
    >>Hunter declared publicly in 1999 that Burke wasn't a suspect in his
    >sister's
    >>death. But later events suggested that statement wasn't as definitive as
    it
    >>seemed. In 2000 Hunter refused a request by Ramsey attorney Wood to sign a
    >>statement declaring under oath that "all questions related to" Burke's
    >>"possible involvement" in the death of his sister "were resolved to the
    >>satisfaction of investigators." He also refused to declare that Burke "has
    >>never been viewed by investigators as a suspect." Nor would he say that
    >>Burke "has not been and is not a suspect."
    >>
    >>Hunter did, however, agree to language in which he declared that "no
    >>evidence has ever been developed ... to justify elevating Burke Ramsey's
    >>status from witness to suspect," and there is nothing in the transcripts
    of
    >>the interviews of the Ramseys to suggest any such evidence was developed.
    >>
    >>So whatever Hunter's suspicions about Burke, he wasn't able to
    substantiate
    >>them.
    >>
    >>If Burke killed his sister, child psychologists can debate endlessly the
    >>issue of whether a 9-year-old has the psychological capacity for intent
    for
    >>murder without reaching consensus. In Colorado, the issue is settled by
    >law:
    >>No one under the age of 10 can be charged with any crime. They know not
    >what
    >>they do, Coloradans have decided. If Burke is the killer, he's not -
    >>legally, anyway - a murderer, and JonBenet wasn't - legally, anyway -
    >>murdered. When Hunter said in 1999 that Burke wasn't a suspect in his
    >>sister's murder, he could also have said that from a legal standpoint
    Burke
    >>couldn't be. He was too young.
    >>
    >>The best case for murder has always rested on the possibility of an
    >>intruder. Among other mysteries, unidentified DNA under JonBenet's
    >>fingernails and in her panties, an unidentified pubic hair in the white
    >>blanket found with her body, an unidentified palm print on the door to the
    >>room in which JonBenet's body was found, an unidentified Hi-Tec boot
    >imprint
    >>in the basement room in which JonBenet's body was found, and bruises on
    >>JonBenet's body that suggest to some the use of a stun-gun mark all
    combine
    >>to make it clear there is no way of excluding the possibility of an
    >>intruder. Lou Smit, the retired Colorado Springs cop hired by Boulder D.
    A.
    >>Alex Hunter to sift the evidence, is right: Possible intruders have to be
    >>identified and investigated.
    >>
    >>It doesn't help the intruder theorists, however, that many of the list of
    >>clues Smit says point to an intruder fell by the wayside as the
    >>investigation proceeded:
    >>
    >>Forensic examiners said the pubic hair might not be a pubic hair, and in
    >any
    >>event many Ramsey houseguests slept in JonBenet's bed when she wasn't
    home.
    >>
    >>The DNA under JonBenet's fingernails was old and degraded, according to
    the
    >>Rocky Mountain News, and didn't indicate she had struggled with anyone.
    >>
    >>The DNA in her panties wasn't from seminal fluid and was so flimsy, the
    >News
    >>quoted a prosecutor as saying, that the manufacturer could have put it
    >>there.
    >>
    >>Dr. Spitz says that what appears to be stun gun marks aren't such marks.
    >>
    >>The palm print on the basement door turned out on further review to belong
    >>to Melinda Ramsey, one of John Ramsey's children from his first marriage,
    >>the News reported last year citing "a source close to the case."
    >>
    >>And the mystery of the Hi-Tec boot imprint was solved in grand jury
    >>testimony. Prosecutors disclosed in the 2000 interviews of the Ramseys
    that
    >>Burke and one of his friends had told jurors that Burke owned a pair of
    >>Hi-Tec boots - something his parents said they somehow overlooked or
    forgot
    >>when they told authorities no one in the family owned such a boot, even
    >>though there is a distinctive compass on the boot.
    >>
    >>More importantly, as an explanation of what happened that night, the
    >>intruder theory is problematic. It's difficult to get around the ransom
    >note
    >>Patsy Ramsey reported finding early the morning of the Dec. 26th. The
    >author
    >>clearly had no fear of detection because he or she wrote the mother of all
    >>ransom notes while in the Ramsey home, using paper and pen from the home.
    >>Under the intruder scenario, he/she entered the home and killed JonBenet
    >>without detection while the child's parents and brother slept, and was
    >>therefore free to leave without being detected. For the intruder to pen a
    >>three-page ransom note and leave behind the strongest evidence that would
    >>link him or her to the killing suggests he/she was either stupid or trying
    >>to get caught.
    >>
    >>A federal judge who last month tossed out a defamation suit against the
    >>Ramseys declared there is "abundant evidence" for the intruder theory. But
    >>as a vehicle for truth finding the ruling is of little value. The judge
    >>didn't have access to the police files. She didn't know about the
    >grand-jury
    >>testimony of Burke and a friend that Burke owned a Hi-Tec boot. In writing
    >>her decision, she was unable to fashion a coherent explanation for the
    >>actions of the intruder in writing a long ransom note while in the Ramsey
    >>home. Such an intruder would have been at risk of discovery. Further she
    >>offers no explanation for why an intruder, who had killed rather than
    >>kidnapped JonBenet and left her body in the cellar, would leave a ransom
    >>note, knowing that as soon as a thorough search of the house was conducted
    >>no ransom could be obtained. (For a detailed dissection of the judge's
    >>ruling, click here.)
    >>
    >>Following a briefing about a year after JonBenet's death, members of the
    >>FBI's Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit (the Silence of the Lambs
    >unit)
    >>said they believed there had never been any kidnapping. "These guys, who
    do
    >>it everyday," Boulder police detective Steve Thomas told John Ramsey when
    >he
    >>interviewed him in 1997, "say ... there were clearly steps taken in this
    >>case to make this look like something it wasn't. (They said) 'This is how
    >it
    >>happens in the movies. It is not how it happens in real life.' And they
    >said
    >>all that was done... was made to make this look like something that wasn't
    >>there."
    >>
    >>"They had the gut feeling," Thomas writes in his book on the case, "that
    >'no
    >>one intended to kill this child.'"
    >>
    >>Accident/Cover-up?
    >>
    >>In contrast to the intruder theory, the accident/cover-up theory provides
    a
    >>framework that appears to fit the publicly available evidence, and the
    most
    >>significant secret evidence revealed in the transcripts of the interviews
    >>with the Ramseys conducted in their attorney's office in Atlanta in August
    >>of 2000.
    >>
    >>In the course of the interview with Patsy Ramsey, prosecutors asserted
    that
    >>investigators had found:
    >>Fibers on the sticky side of the duct tape John Ramsey removed from his
    >>daughter's mouth when he says he discovered her body in the basement wine
    >>cellar that are "identical" to fibers in the red sweater-jacket Patsy was
    >>photographed wearing at a Christmas dinner at a friends' house the
    previous
    >>day.
    >>Fibers from the same type of jacket in the paint tray from which a brush
    >was
    >>taken that was used to help fashion the ligature found around JonBenet's
    >>neck.
    >>Fibers from the same type of jacket "tied into" the ligature.
    >>Fibers from the same type of black wool shirt made in Israel that John
    >>Ramsey wore to the Christmas dinner "in" the panties JonBenet was wearing
    >>when she found and in her "crotch area."
    >>
    >>The most notable mention of any of this evidence in the public record is
    in
    >>the book by former Boulder police Det. Thomas, one of the principal
    >>investigators in the case before he resigned in 1998. He writes that
    fibers
    >>from the jacket Patsy had been wearing were found to be "chemically and
    >>microscopically consistent" with four fibers found on the inside of the
    >>piece of duct tape John Ramsey found on his daughter's mouth when he
    >>discovered JonBenet's body.
    >>
    >>For all his zeal in pointing an accusing finger at Patsy Ramsey (he
    >>concludes in his book that she killed her daughter), Thomas downplays the
    >>significance of the fiber evidence from the duct tape. He notes that when
    >>John removed the tape from the mouth of his daughter's body, he "dropped
    >>it," as John told investigator Smit in 1998, and it may therefore have
    >>fallen on the blanket JonBenet's body was wrapped in, which, according to
    >>Patsy, came from JonBenet's bed, where it might have picked up the fibers
    >>from Patsy's red sweater-jacket when Patsy tucked JonBenet in the previous
    >>night or on some prior occasion.
    >>
    >>Moreover, prosecutors may have misrepresented the fiber evidence in their
    >>interviews with the Ramseys, or overstated the strength of the
    conclusions.
    >>Although they at one point said the fibers found on the duct tape were
    >>"identical" to fibers in Patsy's red sweater-jacket, it's likely that the
    >>match is only to that type of jacket, not the exact jacket that Patsy
    wore.
    >>
    >>Nonetheless, the likelihood of there having been a jacket of that type in
    >>the house when JonBenet died owned by someone other than Patsy is remote.
    >>Assuming prosecutors accurately summarized the results of the fiber
    >>comparisons, the implication is that four fibers found on the inside of
    the
    >>tape put over JonBenet's mouth by someone who was trying to control, or
    >kill
    >>her, or cover-up the circumstances of her death matched the VERY type of
    >>article of clothing Patsy had been wearing the last time she says she saw
    >>her daughter alive.
    >>
    >>Det. Thomas doesn't write in his book about the fibers from Patsy's
    >>sweater-jacket found in the paint tray or on the ligature found tied to
    >>JonBenet's neck, or the fibers from John's shirt found in JonBenet's
    >panties
    >>and crotch. Those results apparently weren't in when Thomas quit the force
    >>in 1998. They are examined publicly for the first time here.
    >>
    >>THE PAINT TRAY - Photographs show the paint tray was located outside the
    >>door to the wine cellar in which JonBenet's body was found, and thus well
    >>removed from the blanket that creates the possible contamination problem
    >>with the fibers on the duct tape. The fibers were put in the paint tray
    >>sometime before or during the time a brush in the tray was used to tighten
    >>the cord around JonBenet's neck, because Patsy didn't have access to the
    >>tray thereafter. Patsy told prosecutors she had never worn the red
    >>sweater-jacket while painting. So there is no readily apparent explanation
    >>for how the fibers could have gotten there in a manner that doesn't
    >>implicate Patsy in the use of the brush in the paint tray around the time
    >of
    >>her daughter's death.
    >>
    >>THE LIGATURE - This was an instrument fashioned for the apparent purpose
    of
    >>controlling JonBenet (it was like a collar and leash used on a dog),
    >>strangling her, or "staging" the crime scene to make it look like there
    had
    >>been an intruder. In any case, the only way fibers from ANY type of
    Patsy's
    >>clothing could make their way innocently onto this instrument would be if
    >>the fibers attached themselves to the paint brush used to make the
    ligature
    >>at some prior time, when it was simply a paint brush. Thus an innocent
    >>explanation runs into the same problems as does the explanation of how the
    >>fibers from Patsy's sweater/jacket came to be in the paint tray (why THAT
    >>piece of clothing when Patsy never wore it while painting?), and it runs
    >>into the additional problems created by the switch from the innocent use
    of
    >>a paint brush to the felonious use of the ligature. Patsy told
    >investigators
    >>there were no broken brushes in her paint tray prior to the night JonBenet
    >>was killed. So the brush in question was broken the night JonBenet died by
    >>someone trying to control or kill her, or stage the crime scene.
    >>
    >>THE PANTIES - John Ramsey told investigator Smit in his 1998 interview
    that
    >>while he had carried a sleeping JonBenet to bed after the family returned
    >>from their Christmas Day outing, he did not undress her. Patsy did. Patsy
    >>confirmed that. There is, therefore, no obvious way to explain why fibers
    >>from the type of shirt John was wearing when he says he put her to bed
    were
    >>found in her underpants and "crotch area."
    >>
    >>What the Ramseys Say
    >>
    >>In the June 1998 interviews with the Ramseys at a police station in a city
    >>near Boulder, a detective told Patsy that police had "trace evidence that
    >>appears to link you to the death of JonBenet (an apparent reference to the
    >>fibers from her jacket found on the duct tape on JonBenet's mouth)",
    >thereby
    >>triggering the only speech Patsy made during three days of interviews.
    >>
    >>"That's just totally impossible," Patsy insisted. "Go re-test."
    >>
    >>"How is it impossible?" Detective Tom Haney asked.
    >>
    >>"I did not kill my child. I did not have a thing to do with it."
    >>
    >>"I'm not talking someone's guess or some rumor or some (newspaper) story.
    >>I'm talking...."
    >>
    >>"I don't care what you're talking about!"
    >>
    >>"...about scientific evidence."
    >>
    >>"I don't give a flip how scientific it is. Go back to the damn drawing
    >>board. I didn't do it. John didn't do it. And we didn't have a clue of
    >>anybody who did do it. So we all gotta start working together from here -
    >>this day forward to try to find out who the hell did it! I mean, I
    >>appreciate being here. It's very hard to be here, but it's a damned sight
    >>harder to be sittin' at home in Atlanta, Georgia, wondering every second
    or
    >>every day what you guys are doing out here. You know? Have you found
    >>anything? Are we any closer? Is the guy out there watching my house? Is my
    >>son safe? My life has been hell from that day forward. And I want nothing
    >>more than to find out who is responsible for this. Okay? I mean I wanna
    >work
    >>with you, not against you. Okay? This child is the most precious thing in
    >my
    >>life. And I can't stand the thought thinking somebody's out there walking
    >on
    >>the street. God knows he might do it again to some other child. You know?
    >>Quit screwin' around asking me about things that are ridiculous and let's
    >>find the person who did this! Criminy."
    >>
    >>Because most of the fiber evidence was developed after the 1998
    interviews,
    >>the Ramseys were not asked about it that year. Prosecutors wanted to do so
    >>in the interviews conducted in August of 2000 in Atlanta, where the
    Ramseys
    >>have lived since about six months after JonBenet died.
    >>
    >>John Ramsey was told fibers from the shirt he had been wearing Christmas
    >Day
    >>were found in JonBenet's panties. "********," he said. "If you're trying
    to
    >>disgrace my relationship with my daughter.....that's disgusting."
    >>
    >>But Ramsey attorney Wood blocked questioning of Patsy on the subject,
    >saying
    >>that he wouldn't allow his clients to answers questions about it unless he
    >>was given the lab reports. Without such access, Wood suggested his clients
    >>were being asked to comment on something that might be more accurately
    >>characterized as opinion than fact. "You're sitting here making a record
    >>saying that it's a fact, and I don't know that," he said, suggesting that
    >>many other fibers were likely found in those locations and that the lab
    >>result may have been that the fibers in the clothes of the parents were
    >>"similar to" the fibers found at the scene, not identical to.
    >>
    >>"I don't want this record to be accusatory based on your statement about
    >the
    >>fibers," Wood continued. "Fiber evidence is... I won't say 'weak,' but
    >let's
    >>just say that is the subject of a great amount of debate in the
    >profession."
    >>
    >>Prosecutor Bruce Levin says he was simply trying to give Patsy an
    >>opportunity to offer an innocent explanation for the fibers. But
    >prosecutors
    >>refused to give Wood the lab reports on the fibers, and Patsy didn't,
    >>therefore, have the opportunity to offer innocent explanations.
    >>
    >>In conjunction with this article, Crime Magazine offered Wood the
    >>opportunity for him and the Ramseys to answer questions pertaining to the
    >>JonBenet case. Crime Magazine's offer included the pledge to publish his
    or
    >>the Ramseys' responses or comments verbatim. Wood did not respond. The
    >offer
    >>remains open. To see the questions Crime Magazine wanted to send to Wood,
    >>click here.
    >>
    >>Wood did, however, tell cable talk-show host Larry King last fall that he
    >>"knows for a fact" that black fibers were not found in JonBenet's
    underwear
    >>(he didn't say how he knows this). And he said "there's any one of many
    >>innocent explanations for why the fibers (found in the paint tray, on the
    >>brush, and in the ligature) might be consistent with something Patsy was
    >>wearing." He offered only one such explanation: that Patsy had put
    JonBenet
    >>to bed the previous night. But that couldn't account for the fibers in the
    >>paint tray, and they couldn't account for the fibers on the brush used in
    >>the ligature and "tied into" the ligature, unless the fibers somehow
    >>transferred from Patsy's sweater to JonBenet's clothing and then to the
    >>brush and "tied into" the ligature.
    >>
    >>Patsy also tried to provide an innocent explanation for the fibers when
    she
    >>spoke to CBS' "48 Hours." She said she had hugged her daughter's body
    after
    >>John discovered it in the basement of their home and brought it upstairs.
    >>Fibers from the sweater she was wearing at the time could have transferred
    >>to JonBenet's clothing, she suggested.
    >>
    >>But the fibers weren't found on JonBenet's clothing. They were found,
    among
    >>other places, in the paint tray, which was in the basement when Patsy
    >hugged
    >>her daughter's body upstairs.
    >>
    >>In her 1998 interview, Patsy tried to explain why she wore the same
    sweater
    >>the day after Christmas that she had Christmas Day. "I do that (wear the
    >>same clothes two days in a row) a lot," she said. "I don't like to do
    >>laundry." That's surprising for someone as fashion-conscious as Patsy, a
    >>former Miss West Virginia. To Det. Thomas it suggests that Patsy never
    went
    >>to bed the night before, calling into question her entire account of what
    >>happened that night and the next morning.
    >>
    >>The forceful manner in which Ramsey attorney Wood parried questions from
    >>prosecutors to Patsy about the fibers evidence is an indication of how a
    >>defense lawyer would attack it in court. But if the fiber evidence is what
    >>prosecutors claimed it is in the interviews, the conclusions that can be
    >>drawn are simple and powerful: Officials have reason to believe John and
    >>Patsy Ramsey may have covered up the circumstances of their daughter's
    >>death, there was no intruder because the parents wouldn't cover up for an
    >>intruder, and there was no murder because the only three people in the
    >house
    >>at the time JonBenet died either didn't have motive to intentionally kill
    >>JonBenet, or if Burke had motive, he was too young in the eyes of the law
    >to
    >>be capable of having the intent to murder anyone.
    >>
    >>There is other evidence that is inconsistent with John and Patsy's account
    >>of what happened after they came home on Christmas Day evening:
    >>The fingerprints of Patsy and Burke were found on a bowl on a kitchen
    table
    >>from which JonBenet ate pineapple sometime after she arrived home,
    >according
    >>to Det. Thomas, something inconsistent with the statements by John and
    >Patsy
    >>that JonBenet was asleep when they arrived at home and never woke up.
    >>JonBenet had apparently gotten up during the night (or had never gone to
    >>sleep) and, with the help of Patsy and/or Burke (either of whom could
    reach
    >>the bowl stored in a cabinet well above the height JonBenet could reach),
    >>was served and ate the last food she consumed before she was killed.
    >>All five of the fingerprints recovered from the pad on which the ransom
    >note
    >>was written that did not belong to policemen, according to Det. Thomas,
    >>belonged to Patsy.
    >>In a version of the tape of Patsy's call to 911 enhanced by audio
    >>technicians consulted by Boulder police, Burke's voice is heard in the
    >>background at a time when John and Patsy say Burke was asleep, according
    to
    >>Det. Thomas and author Lawrence Schiller. "Please, what did I do?" Burke
    >>asks. "We're not speaking to you," an angry sounding John Ramsey responds.
    >>"Help me Jesus, help me Jesus," Patsy says. "What did you find?" Burke
    >>pleads.
    >>
    >>Moreover, the ransom note was likely written by Patsy, according to Vassar
    >>professor and linguistic expert Don Foster (the author of Author Unknown ,
    >>who unmasked Joe Klein as the author of Primary Colors), David Liebman,
    >>former president of the National Association of Document Examiners, and
    >>Gideon Epstein, director of the forensics unit of the documents lab at the
    >>Immigration and Naturalization Service until he retired in 2000.
    >>
    >>"What is your degree of certainty as you sit here today," Ramsey attorney
    >>Wood asked Epstein in a deposition last year, "that Patsy Ramsey wrote the
    >>note?"
    >>
    >>"I am absolutely certain she wrote the note," Epstein replied.
    >>
    >>"Is that 60 percent certainty?" Wood asked.
    >>
    >>"No, that's 100 percent certainty."
    >>
    >>Wood got Epstein to concede that he had reached that conclusion without
    >>having access to the original of the note. Vassar professor Foster had
    told
    >>Patsy Ramsey before having access to the note that he believed she didn't
    >>write it. The reliability of handwriting and linguistic text analysis is
    >>much disputed. And other experts have said they can't conclude Patsy wrote
    >>the note. In fact, D.A. Hunter testified in a 2001 deposition taken by
    >>Ramsey attorney Wood that the experts he had obtained analysis from
    >>concluded, by his estimate, that the odds Patsy wrote the note were 4.5 on
    >a
    >>scale of 1 to 5, with 5 being that she didn't.
    >>
    >>The Ramseys may also be able to find an expert concluding that Burke's
    >voice
    >>is not on the 911 call. And there may yet be an innocent explanation for
    >the
    >>fiber evidence and the pineapple found in JonBenet's stomach after her
    >death
    >>that does not call into question her parents' account of what happened
    that
    >>night.
    >>
    >>Of course, the most reliable way to assess the strength of the defense the
    >>Ramseys can mount is to test it in court.
    >>
    >>A Prosecutable Case?
    >>
    >>Publicly, Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner will say only that the Ramseys
    >>are "under the umbrella of suspicion." Privately, he revealed in a 2001
    >>deposition, the Ramseys are considered "suspects" because there is a
    >>"probability" they were involved in the death of their daughter.
    >>
    >>Boulder D.A. Hunter didn't comment publicly on his view of the evidence
    >>while he was in office, he has refused to do so since he retired in early
    >>2001, and he didn't respond to a request for comment for this article. (To
    >>view the questions Crime Magazine wanted to pose to former D.A. Hunter,
    >>click here.) But based on the public record in the case, the transcripts
    of
    >>the interviews with the Ramseys and applicable law, it's clear what some
    of
    >>the factors were that Hunter was weighing as he considered whether to
    bring
    >>charges against the Ramseys.
    >>
    >>If the aim was to bring murder charges, there was no evidence of motive,
    no
    >>murder weapon, no witnesses, and a deadly head wound that reflected death
    >by
    >>accident as easily as murder. The Ramseys had opportunity and means to
    kill
    >>their daughter, but that's about it.
    >>
    >>Lesser charges associated with her killing would have been equally
    >>problematic. Negligent homicide would have meant having to prove that the
    >>Ramseys were negligent; manslaughter charges that they were somehow
    >reckless
    >>and that their recklessness caused JonBenet's death. But Hunter didn't
    know
    >>what instrument had been used that resulted in JonBenet's death, much less
    >>who was responsible.
    >>
    >>There is, however, another set of charges that Hunter could have
    considered
    >>filing.
    >>
    >>Under Colorado law it is illegal to conceal a death if doing so "prevents
    a
    >>determination of the cause or circumstances of death." The first report
    the
    >>Ramseys made to law enforcement was that their daughter was missing and
    >>they'd found a ransom note indicating she'd been kidnapped. If the fiber
    >>evidence is what prosecutors say it is and if the Ramseys staged the crime
    >>scene, the Ramseys knew otherwise. If they decided to conceal the death of
    >>their daughter from law enforcement, they effectively "prevented" police
    >>from determining the circumstances of JonBenet's death. Police still don't
    >>know how she died. The maximum penalty for concealing a death is
    six-months
    >>imprisonment.
    >>
    >>It is also illegal for someone to make a report to law enforcement "of a
    >>crime or other incident [emphasis added] within their official concern
    when
    >>he knows that it did not occur." None of the statements in the interviews
    >>with the Ramseys could be the basis for perjury charges because the
    Ramseys
    >>were not under oath. But "false statement" charges do not require that the
    >>person making the statement be under oath. Anyone walking into a police
    >>station faces the charge if he or she makes a statement about an incident
    >of
    >>police interest he/she knows to be false. The maximum penalty on
    conviction
    >>is a prison term of up to 18 months per false statement.
    >>
    >>"Concealing a death" and "false statement" charges are misdemeanors. D.A.
    >>Hunter also could have considered a felony charge of falsifying evidence.
    >>Under Colorado law, anyone who "destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes or
    >>alters physical evidence with intent to impair its verity or availability"
    >>or "knowingly makes, presents or offers any false or altered evidence" has
    >>illegally tampered with evidence if they believe a law-enforcement
    >>investigation is "about to be instituted." Violators are subject to a
    >prison
    >>term of 18 months.
    >>
    >>Normally, these types of charges are filed in conjunction with charges
    >>involving an underlying crime. The cover-up was, say, hatched to hide a
    >>wrongful death, for example. But it's not a requirement for conviction
    that
    >>prosecutors prove - or even allege - an underlying crime. Coloradans have
    >>seen a recent, high-profile example of this in the case of Koleen Brooks,
    >an
    >>ex-mayor of a mountain town, ex-stripper and Playboy pin-up, who was
    >charged
    >>with tampering with evidence and false statements after she claimed she'd
    >>been assaulted. She was in the midst of a bid to stave-off a recall
    attempt
    >>at the time. Brooks said her political enemies were behind the assault.
    >>Prosecutors alleged she invented a phantom assault in a bid for sympathy
    >>from voters. Voters recalled Brooks, and earlier this year she was
    >convicted
    >>of a misdemeanor count of making a false statement, but acquitted of the
    >>more serious felony count of tampering with evidence.
    >>
    >>Motive for Cover-up?
    >>
    >>Although prosecutors don't have to prove an underlying crime, it helps to
    >be
    >>able to provide jurors with a motive for the conduct of defendants. This
    is
    >>why the accident/cover-up theory is a powerful tool for prosecutors in the
    >>JonBenet case. Clearly any discussion of a possible motive for cover-up
    >>involves some speculation. There are, however, several pieces of evidence
    >>that are useful to prosecutors.
    >>
    >>The forensic pathologists analyzing the case for Boulder police estimated
    >>that between 10 and 45 minutes passed between the time JonBenet sustained
    >>her head wound and the time she was strangled, according to author
    >Schiller.
    >>If JonBenet's death were the result of an accident, John and Patsy Ramsey
    >>would have been faced with an excruciating decision, because reporting the
    >>accident would have jeopardized what was left of their family. Officials
    >>with the Boulder County social services agency are charged under state law
    >>with protecting children, and are authorized to seek a court order
    removing
    >>a child from a home if they believe the child "is neglected or dependent
    if
    >>a parent has subjected him ... to mistreatment or abuse...or the child
    >lacks
    >>proper parental care through the actions or omissions of a parent...or the
    >>child's environment is injurious to his ... welfare ... or the parent ...
    >>fails to provide the child with proper care..." Social services personnel
    >>would have had to make an assessment about whether it was safe to leave
    >>Burke in the home of a family in which a 6-year-old sibling died as the
    >>result of what at best was an accident. If they concluded the parents or
    >>Burke were likely negligent (or that they needed time to investigate),
    that
    >>could have led to the removal of Burke from the home. And then John and
    >>Patsy Ramsey would have, in effect, lost two children and Patsy's only
    >>remaining child (John has two children from a prior marriage).
    >>
    >>Precipitating a cover-up and creating a kidnapper/intruder scenario,
    >>however, would have avoided having to make disclosures that called into
    >>question their fitness as parents, without much additional risk. It's not
    >>hard to envision any parent facing those circumstances deciding - in the
    >>panic of the night - to take a gamble.
    >>
    >>If this is the decision they made, it's worked for them so far. They would
    >>have succeeded in what would have been the primary aim of any parents
    under
    >>similar circumstances: keeping Burke out of the hands of a foster home or
    >>adoptive parents. "The reason Patsy and I have come through this," John
    >told
    >>investigators when they asked whether he had considered suicide, "is
    >because
    >>we have Burke. If we didn't have other children, we probably would have
    >>checked out a long time ago."
    >>
    >>Investigators asked Patsy about the accident theory in 1998. "We'll say
    >that
    >>JonBenet got up (sometime during the night)," Det. Tom Haney theorized,
    >"and
    >>someone in that house, legally, lawfully in that house, one of the three
    of
    >>you, also happens to be up, or gets up because she makes noise. And
    there's
    >>some discussion or something happens. There's an accident. Somebody..."
    >>
    >>Patsy interrupts. "You're going down the wrong path, buddy," she said. "If
    >>she got up in the night and ran into somebody, it was somebody that wasn't
    >>supposed to be there. I don't know what transpired after that. Whether it
    >>was an accident, intentional, premeditated or whatnot. But it was not one
    >of
    >>the three members that were also in that house. Period, end of statement."
    >>
    >>How then does Patsy square her assertion that no one in the house was
    >>involved and that JonBenet was asleep from the moment she arrived home and
    >>was awakened by the person who killed her, with the evidence JonBenet ate
    >>pineapple sometime after arriving home Christmas evening? She had no
    >>explanation. "It just doesn't fit," she acknowledged.
    >>
    >>Investigators also asked John Ramsey whether he had considered the
    >>possibility his daughter had died as the result of an accident. "How could
    >>it?" he asked. "The child was strangled. Her head was bashed in. That was
    >>not an accident."
    >>
    >>In fact, however, the Ramseys have had personal experience with an
    accident
    >>involving Burke and JonBenet. In 1993, when Burke was 6 and his sister 3,
    >>Burke was swinging a club or bat one day when JonBenet walked up from
    >behind
    >>him and disaster struck. JonBenet "got clobbered," John Ramsey told
    >>prosecutors. "It was a pure accident."
    >>
    >>Patsy told investigators she remembers JonBenet's reaction. "She screamed
    >>bloody murder," Patsy said. JonBenet was rushed to a hospital. Mom was so
    >>concerned about whether JonBenet would ever completely heal that she says
    >>she took her daughter to a plastic surgeon. He told her the abrasion would
    >>eventually go away. It did. But the parents had learned that despite the
    >>best of intentions, accidents happen and people get seriously hurt.
    >>
    >>Still another attractive feature of the accident/cover-up theory for
    >>prosecutors in a case in which the charges are based on the accusation
    that
    >>the parents covered up what happened to the daughter is that they could
    >>suggest that JonBenet had been sexually abused. This avenue would offer
    one
    >>way of explaining the sort of rage that might have led someone
    accidentally
    >>to delivering a blow to JonBenet's head serious enough to kill her.
    >>
    >>Pathologists working with Boulder police say that JonBenet's vagina showed
    >>indications of long-term sexual abuse, according to Det. Thomas, citing "a
    >>panel of pediatric experts from around the country." He doesn't name them.
    >>He writes there were "no dissenting opinions among them."
    >>
    >>"We gathered affidavits stating in clear language," he writes, "that there
    >>were injuries (to JonBenet's vagina) 'consistent with prior trauma and
    >>sexual abuse'....'There was chronic abuse'...'Past violation of the
    >>vagina'... 'Evidence of both acute injury and chronic sexual abuse.'"
    >>
    >>"One expert summed it up well," Thomas writes, "when he said the injuries
    >>were not consistent with sexual assault but with a child who was being
    >>physically abused."
    >>
    >>Apparently referring to the reports of the pathologists, Det. Haney told
    >>Patsy during the 1998 interview that police had "reliable medical
    >>information" that JonBenet had been sexually abused well prior to her
    >death.
    >>Haney did not indicate how often JonBenet had been abused, but the
    >>conclusion of the medical experts that the abuse had occurred well prior
    to
    >>her death meant that if JonBenet had been murdered by an intruder, the
    >>intruder wasn't responsible for the sexual abuse, unless the intruder was
    >>someone who had also been alone with JonBenet on numerous occasions well
    >>before her death.
    >>
    >>"That's one of the things that's been bothering us about this case," Haney
    >>said.
    >>
    >>"No damned kidding," Patsy said.
    >>
    >>"What does it tell you?
    >>
    >>"It doesn't tell me anything! I'm...I don't...I...my...I just am shocked,
    >is
    >>all I can say. And I don't...I don't know what to think. I mean I'm...I
    >just
    >>wanna see where it says that."
    >>
    >>The possibility that appropriate sexual boundaries were not being followed
    >>in the Ramsey household was something authorities considered in the
    >>aftermath of JonBenet's death. Boulder Detective Linda Arndt suggested in
    a
    >>2000 deposition in connection with a suit she filed against the city that
    >>social services personnel considered more than the possibility that John
    >>Ramsey was sexually abusing his daughter. She said her opinions about the
    >>case had been dismissed by her law enforcement colleagues, as had the
    >>opinions of "all of the department of social services."
    >>
    >>Question: Which opinions were these?
    >>
    >>Answer: Incest, naming the Ramseys as suspects.
    >>
    >>Q: This is incest between John Ramsey and JonBenet?
    >>
    >>A: Yes, to the whole incest dynamic in the family.
    >>
    >>Q: But involving John Ramsey and JonBenet, any other members?
    >>
    >>A: Well, specifically because she's the one who's dead.
    >>
    >>Q: But when you refer again to incest, it could involve any number of
    >family
    >>members. I'm just trying to identify the family members when you use that
    >>term.
    >>
    >>A: Well, there's a whole dynamic, because everybody's got a role in the
    >>family.
    >>
    >>Q: The incest has an effect on family members, does it not?
    >>
    >>A: Well, in general terms that covers it when you talk about an act, but
    >I'm
    >>talking about the dynamic.
    >>
    >>Q: I understand about the dynamic, but I want to get the predicate first.
    >>The participants in the incest, when you refer to incest, you're referring
    >>to John Ramsey and JonBenet and no other family members?
    >>
    >>A: I refer to every member of the family. Every member has a role.
    >>
    >>Q: But in terms of the sexual act that's implicit in the term of "incest,"
    >>you're referring to John Ramsey and JonBenet?
    >>
    >>A: Yes
    >>
    >>Patsy was apparently concerned enough about some aspect of JonBenet or
    >>Burke's moral compass that she mentioned her concern to her father. He
    gave
    >>her the 1992 book Why Johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong, she told police,
    >>in which then Boston College education professor William Kilpatrick argued
    >>that kids were morally adrift in part because "our present culture sends
    >out
    >>confusing and misleading messages about sex." The result, he wrote, is
    that
    >>"when teens are confronted by adults over sexual misbehaviors, a frequent
    >>response is simply, "I didn't know it was wrong.'"
    >>
    >>Kilpatrick didn't mention beauty pageants for 6-year-olds as part of the
    >>problem. He cited sex-education courses in which sex is taught as though
    >>there is no moral component. "The point (of these classes)," Kilpatrick
    >>wrote, "is to be able to view sex as a nonmoral, nonromantic recreational
    >>activity." That's a formula for trouble, Kilpatrick wrote, because it
    fuels
    >>a range of sex-related problems (adultery, diseases, neglected children).
    >>"Sooner or later," he argued, "sexual irresponsibility...become (s)
    >>everyone's problem."
    >>
    >>Police did not ask Patsy during their interviews with her what had
    prompted
    >>her father to give her the book.
    >>
    >>One particular form of sexual irresponsibility seems to have been on the
    >>mind of someone in the Ramsey household soon before or just after JonBenet
    >>was killed. Det. Thomas claims in his book that a police photograph taken
    >in
    >>the Ramsey home the morning of the "kidnapping" shows that someone had
    >>opened a Webster's New World Dictionary, turned the pages to "i," and
    >>creased the page so that it pointed directly to the word "incest" ("sexual
    >>intercourse between persons too closely related to marry legally").
    >>Investigators did not ask the Ramseys to explain this during their
    >>interviews with him.
    >>
    >>The evidence indicating that JonBenet had been sexually abused well prior
    >to
    >>her death enables prosecutors to suggest to jurors a two-pronged motive
    for
    >>cover-up: If JonBenet were the victim of inappropriate sexual behavior,
    >>disclosure of which would have threatened the chances that what remained
    of
    >>the family would have been allowed to stay together, that could have
    >sparked
    >>the sort of rage that could have led to an accidental blow to the head
    >>serious enough to kill, an accident that would have generated questions
    >>about whether Burke should be allowed to stay in the home even absent
    >>inappropriate sexual behavior.
    >>
    >>The final feature of the accident/cover-up theory that's helpful to
    >>prosecutors is that it allows them to leave unresolved the question of who
    >>caused JonBenet's head wound and why. This question is central in a murder
    >>case. In an accident/cover-up case it doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter
    if
    >>the blow to the head were delivered by a sibling jealous of the attention
    >>JonBenet was getting, angry about JonBenet bringing her soiled self into
    >his
    >>bed (she had a bed-wetting problem), or enraged by his sister's
    declaration
    >>that she was going to tell their parents she was upset about his "playing
    >>doctor" with her privates, or by a distraught Mom or Dad angered by more
    >>bed-wetting, or by discovery of some instance of sibling rivalry run amok.
    >>Take your pick. Craft your own scenario. They're all variations of an
    >>accident.
    >>
    >>It's not possible from the evidence to tell what happened.
    >>
    >>It is possible to realize that from a legal standpoint, it doesn't matter.
    >>Under any variation, what happened wasn't murder because the only people
    in
    >>the house at the time she died had no reason to kill her or were too young
    >>to have the requisite intent. The evidence can be read to suggest one
    >>hypothesis of what happened that night: JonBenet's death was an accident
    >the
    >>result of, at worst, negligence, a tragedy compounded by a deliberate and
    >>premeditated decision to cover-up, and hang on tight, together, all for
    one
    >>and one for all to protect what remained of the family.
    >>
    >>If that's what happened, it was also a decision that made a personal
    >tragedy
    >>a public tragedy that cost the taxpayers of Boulder County $1 million or
    >>more, fueled a media circus, forced the expenditure of untold blood, sweat
    >>and tears on the investigation of an accident, and diverted resources
    from,
    >>among other investigations, the search for the killer of Susannah Chase,
    >who
    >>was bludgeoned to death in a Boulder alley a year after JonBenet was
    >killed.
    >>Her case remains unsolved.
    >>
    >>Prosecutor Michael Kane is among those who have concluded that JonBenet
    >>wasn't murdered. Kane was brought on board by Boulder D.A. Hunter in 1998
    >to
    >>prepare for the possibility of a grand jury inquiry. He was the lead
    >>prosecutor working with the grand jury into late 1999, when it was
    >announced
    >>that the jury had concluded its work without issuing any indictments. And
    >he
    >>was one of the prosecutors who interviewed the Ramseys a year later.
    >>
    >>"I think it (JonBenet's death) was something (that came about) through an
    >>accident, and then everything else was staged - and the staging was so
    >>overdone," Kane said last year, according to the Globe. "Patsy is a very
    >>theatrical person and it was a very theatrical production." (Other media
    >>ignored Kane's comments, perhaps in part because the Globe is just a
    >>supermarket tabloid). Kane declined to comment for this article.
    >>
    >>So, if D.A. Hunter's own lead prosecutor believes JonBenet died as the
    >>result of an accident and if the evidence he had suggested the Ramseys
    >>covered up the circumstances of their daughter's death, why didn't he file
    >>charges pertaining to concealing a death, false statements, and/or
    >tampering
    >>with evidence charges?
    >>
    >>Why Haven't Cover-up Charges Been Filed?
    >>
    >>There's no indication in the public record that Boulder officials have
    even
    >>considered filing cover-up charges against the Ramseys.
    >>
    >>Det. Thomas - who doesn't mention the possibility of filing cover-up
    >charges
    >>in his book on the case - writes that prosecutors didn't feel up to the
    >>burden of prosecuting any case against the Ramseys, particularly not
    >against
    >>the legal talent that would have been arrayed against them (the Ramseys
    had
    >>hired one of Colorado's foremost criminal defense firms). "Years of plea
    >>bargaining had made them paper tigers," Thomas charges, noting that under
    >>Hunter, Boulder prosecutors rarely took cases to trial because they
    favored
    >>plea bargains so strongly.
    >>
    >>Filing cover-up charges would also have been an implicit admission that
    the
    >>investigation had failed to determine beyond a reasonable doubt how
    >JonBenet
    >>died or who was responsible. There is no statute of limitations on murder,
    >>so perhaps Hunter felt the best prospect for justice was to wait until the
    >>evidence shows how JonBenet died and who was responsible. But short of a
    >>confession, the evidence will never establish that.
    >>
    >>The most dismaying way to explain Hunter's failure to file false-statement
    >>and tampering-with-evidence charges against the Ramseys is that
    prosecutors
    >>don't like to file charges to solve mysteries. The legal system is a poor
    >>venue for truth seeking and prosecutors aren't trained to consider
    criminal
    >>charges as appropriate ways to solve mysteries. Their job is to prosecute
    >>lawbreakers. Cover-up charges are minor-league charges compared to murder
    >>charges. Hunter and his team may have been intent on bringing murder
    >charges
    >>or none at all. "Just because she (Patsy) wrote the note doesn't mean we
    >can
    >>prove a murder," Det. Thomas quotes one of Hunter's prosecutors as saying,
    >>as though that was the only possible charge.
    >>
    >>The most intriguing possibility for the failure to file cover-up charges
    >>against the Ramseys is that prosecutors figured out - or were told by the
    >>Ramsey lawyers - soon after the killing that what had happened was the
    >>result of an accident, and that there was therefore no public interest to
    >be
    >>served in prosecuting anyone. The Ramseys certainly don't represent a
    >threat
    >>to anyone else, and what would be the point of punishing them for the
    >>cover-up when they'd lost a child they loved in an accident? If they
    >covered
    >>up the circumstances of their daughter's death, their motive was selfish
    >but
    >>hardly venal.
    >>
    >>If JonBenet did, in fact, die as the result of an accident, as lead
    >>prosecutor Kane says he believes, maybe, despite the widespread hand
    >>wringing about the lack of criminal charges, the interests of justice have
    >>been served after all. Maybe John and Patsy Ramsey have been punished
    >enough
    >>already.
    >>
    >>Certainly there were times when prosecutors acted as though they felt that
    >>way. Hunter and his team bent over backwards to accommodate the interests
    >>and concerns of the Ramseys and their lawyers, according to numerous
    >>published accounts. They didn't quickly insist on in-depth interviews with
    >>the parents. They shared information from the police investigation with
    the
    >>Ramsey legal team. They hand-carried letters from Ramsey lawyers to
    >>investigators. They refused to convene a grand jury to compel testimony
    >>under penalty of perjury until 18 months after the killing, and then did
    so
    >>only under political pressure from then Colorado Gov. Roy Romer. And they
    >>didn't act on the requests of police investigators to obtain
    >>court-authorized subpoenas for the Ramsey's telephone and credit card
    >>records.
    >>
    >>"The D.A.'s office stonewalled us," Det. Thomas complains.
    >>
    >>The problem with the approach taken by prosecutors, even if motivated by
    >the
    >>belief that JonBenet died as the result of an accident and that there was
    >no
    >>point in prosecuting her parents for the cover-up, is that it has left
    >>police devoting extraordinary resources to chasing a phantom murderer, and
    >>the public grappling with the consequences of a mystery, still under the
    >>impression JonBenet was murdered, still nowhere near the truth, and not
    >>likely to get it - ever.
    >>
    >>Why the New D.A. Isn't Up to the Job
    >>
    >>Hunter's judgments about the case are no longer relevant because his term
    >>ended early 2001 when he chose not to run for re-election. Unfortunately,
    >>his successor doesn't show any more inclination to get to the bottom of
    the
    >>case than he did.
    >>
    >>New D.A. Mary Keenan, who was an assistant D.A. under Hunter, didn't take
    >>any publicly known action on the case until nearly two years into her
    term,
    >>and then she did so only after receiving a letter from Ramsey attorney
    Wood
    >>informing her, according to press reports, that the Ramseys were
    >considering
    >>suing Boulder unless they were exonerated.
    >>
    >>Keenan didn't tell Boulder residents of her decision to take an active
    role
    >>in the case, but she did tell Ramsey attorney Wood. In a letter to him,
    she
    >>said the Boulder police investigation of the Ramseys had been "exhaustive
    >>and thorough," that she would proceed without any further investigation by
    >>police, using her department's own investigators, that she would focus on
    >>new leads or leads not previously investigated, that she would work
    >>"cooperatively" with retired detective Smit who is the prime advocate of
    >the
    >>intruder theory, that she would make "every effort to communicate openly
    >>with you," and that she would not go to the press to publicize her
    >decision.
    >>
    >>She was acting, she wrote, because a "violent child murderer is at large."
    >>
    >>Ramsey attorney Wood was delighted. His clients "are out from the umbrella
    >>of suspicion," he declared.
    >>
    >>Keenan is either unaware of the evidence that gives prosecutors reason to
    >>believe that the Ramseys perpetrated a cover-up, or she has decided not to
    >>act on it. And she seems oblivious to the indications that JonBenet wasn't
    >>murdered and that there was no intruder.
    >>
    >>Indeed, with her comment that there is "a violent child murderer at
    large,"
    >>Keenan endorsed the Ramseys' theory of the case and absolved them of
    >>responsibility for what happened to their daughter, ignoring the police
    >>conclusion that there is a "probability" the Ramseys were involved in the
    >>death of their daughter.
    >>
    >>Keenan also aligned herself with the Ramseys when earlier this month she
    >>described the ruling of the judge who tossed out the defamation suit
    >against
    >>the Ramseys last month as "thoughtful and well reasoned," even though she
    >>knew the judge didn't have access to the evidence in police files. Keenan
    >>didn't respond to a request for comment for this article.
    >>
    >>More importantly, even if Keenan wanted to solve the case without
    >:mad::(:(:(:(footing with the Ramseys, she is ill-equipped to do so. The D.A.'s
    >>staff has only two investigators, neither of whom is trained to do a
    >>homicide investigation, former Boulder assistant D.A. Bill Wise told the
    >>Rocky Mountain News in February. Keenan has cut herself off from the
    >>investigative resources she needs to pursue the case.
    >>
    >>Prosecutor Kane says Keenan was among the members of Hunter's team who
    >>believe JonBenet had been killed by an intruder. He says Keenan's letter
    to
    >>the Ramseys was inappropriate. "I don't think that as a district attorney
    >>you send a letter to someone who is still under suspicion, basically
    saying
    >>to them that we're going to look elsewhere," he complained in December on
    a
    >>cable TV show.
    >>
    >>All this makes Keenan ill-equipped to carry the case forward. But the
    >>biggest reason she's the wrong person to do so is that if John and Patsy
    >>Ramsey covered up the circumstances of their daughter's death, they won't
    >>drop their cover-up and tell what happened unless they're faced with
    >>prosecutors determined to throw them in prison for as many years as
    >>possible, or at least prepared to act like they are.
    >>
    >>Colorado Gov. Bill Owens can intervene and call for the appointment of a
    >>special prosecutor. Each of his predecessors has ordered probes by the
    >state
    >>attorney general's office in cases in which local D.A.s either couldn't be
    >>trusted or had decided not to act. In 1976, then Gov. Richard Lamm ordered
    >>the state attorney general to look into allegations of public corruption
    in
    >>two counties. Seven public officials were charged and convicted as a
    >result.
    >>In 1998, then Gov. Roy Romer intervened after a local D.A. declined to
    >>prosecute in a sex-abuse case. A special prosecutor subsequently convicted
    >>three people.
    >>
    >>In the Ramsey case, the political downside for Owens if he were to
    >intervene
    >>are minimal. Keenan would be furious and he'd ruffle some feathers among
    >>Boulder County officials, most of whom are Democrats anyway (Owens is a
    >>Republican), and most of whom desperately want the Ramsey to go away for
    >>fear the city will get more bad publicity. Conversely, the political
    upside
    >>for Owens is high. Owens would win national attention, he would win kudos
    >>for leadership, and either the prosecutor he appointed would break the
    case
    >>open, in which case Owens would rightfully bask in the limelight, or Owens
    >>would win points for at least getting the case into the hands of someone
    >who
    >>could make one final, objective assessment about whether there is evidence
    >>to support charges, and if so which ones against whom.
    >>
    >>There is, as it happens, a Denver area D.A. well positioned to take over
    >the
    >>case. One of Denver D.A. Bill Ritter's assistant D.A.s spent nearly two
    >>years working on the case with Hunter and Kane. In addition Ritter has a
    >>stable of homicide investigators, one of whom is Det. Tom Haney, the same
    >>detective who interviewed Patsy Ramsey in 1998. Haney worked the case over
    >>the course of nearly two years while on loan to Boulder police and is
    >>familiar with all in the evidence in the case through 1998 when he played
    a
    >>key role during a formal presentation of the evidence to D.A. Hunter and a
    >>team of experts. Ritter would not have to start from the beginning if he
    >had
    >>the case. And he's even a Democrat, which would insulate Owens against
    >>charges he's motivated by considerations of partisanship.
    >>
    >>Gov. Owens has a mixed record on matters involving judicial
    investigations.
    >>He botched a review of the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School by
    >>refusing to give subpoena power to the panel he named to probe the
    >disaster,
    >>and by naming a panel that declared from the outset that it wasn't going
    to
    >>evaluate the actions of law enforcement in responding to the disaster,
    even
    >>though that was precisely the question that needed the most scrutiny.
    >>
    >>But Owens has shown a willingness to put some PR heat on the Ramseys. In
    >>1999 he told them to "quit hiding" behind their hired help and "come back
    >to
    >>Colorado and work with us to find the killers." He declined to name a
    >>special prosecutor at that time, but that was in part because he said
    there
    >>was "substantial new evidence" that was just then being analyzed.
    >>
    >>That was more than three years ago now. Whatever hope Owens had at the
    time
    >>that the new evidence would result in charges has been dashed. As a
    >>politician, Owens has ostensibly more of an interest in getting at the
    >truth
    >>of what happened to JonBenet than prosecutors. But first someone would
    have
    >>to tell him to take another look at the case. There's no indication it's
    on
    >>his radar screen. He hasn't spoken publicly on it since his 1999 comments.
    >>
    >>Unfortunately, there's not much time for Owens to act. The statute of
    >>limitation on the misdemeanor charges the Ramseys could be charged with is
    >>18 months. Under Colorado law the "ticking of the clock" stopped once the
    >>Ramseys left Colorado in mid-1997, but resumed after 5 years, or in mid
    >>2002. That means that prosecutors have until June 26 of this year to file
    >>the misdemeanor charges or forever pass on that option.
    >>
    >>They have until the end of 2005 to file tampering with evidence charges.
    >But
    >>the chances of securing a deal resolving the case increase the more
    >leverage
    >>prosecutors have over the Ramseys.
    >>
    >>And the most likely way the case is going to be solved is with a deal.
    >>
    >>The Deal to Solve the Mystery
    >>
    >>There are four components to one possible deal.
    >>
    >>First, assuming that the fiber evidence shows what prosecutors privately
    >>claimed it shows, that the other evidence cited by Det. Thomas and
    >available
    >>from other sources stands up to scrutiny, and that a special prosecutor
    >>reviewing the evidence finds it is sufficient to support cover-up charges,
    >>John and Patsy Ramsey, in order to avoid a trial, would need to plead
    >guilty
    >>to a felony count of tampering with evidence. If the prosecutor has
    >>sufficient evidence to charge the Ramseys with a felony and multiple
    >>misdemeanor "false statement" counts, that would give the prosecutor
    >>considerable leverage. Just three misdemeanor and a felony charges would
    >>mean the Ramseys would face several years in prison if convicted. The
    >>prosecutor could also dangle a willingness to recommend light sentences.
    >>
    >>Second, the prosecutor could insist that the Ramseys compensate Boulder
    >>County for the resources its officials diverted into trying to unravel
    >their
    >>cover-up. The Ramseys would be amenable to such a payment if the amount
    the
    >>prosecutor seeks is less than what the Ramseys' attorneys and experts
    would
    >>charge them to defend them against criminal charges.
    >>
    >>Third, and most importantly, the prosecutor would need to get the most
    >>elusive prize of all: the truth. John and Patsy should be required to drop
    >>the cover-up, and explain what they know about what happened - all of what
    >>they know - under oath and penalty of perjury, with the transcript of
    their
    >>testimony put into the public record.
    >>
    >>Why would the Ramseys be willing to drop the cover-up after sticking to it
    >>the past six years? They would, of course, be tempted by the prospect of
    >>avoiding a trial on felony charges and, if they're convicted, spending
    >years
    >>in prison. But the key to get them to talk is to give them the one thing
    >>they crave as much as the public craves the truth: the assurance their
    >>family (what's left of it) will not be ripped apart, no matter the truth.
    >>
    >>Here's one way to cinch the deal: Allow the Ramseys to keep within the
    >>family the secret of what caused the accident that resulted in their
    >>daughter's death, as long as they acknowledge the cover-up. The whole
    truth
    >>would be better. A big chunk of the truth would be better than what we are
    >>stuck with today: an eternal mystery, the lingering suspicion there's a
    >>child murderer on the loose, and an investigation that's going nowhere.
    >>
    >>So a deal that is there to be made - a deal that would resolve the case -
    >is
    >>this: a guilty plea by each parent to a felony count of evidence
    tampering,
    >>a recommendation for leniency, and the truth of what happened that night
    >(or
    >>as much of it as prosecutors can get), in return for no or short prison
    >>terms and the right to keep what's left of the family together -- no
    matter
    >>what happened that night.
    >>
    >>The circus surrounding the death of the 6-year-old beauty queen could then
    >>be taken down, and Boulder authorities could redirect their law
    enforcement
    >>resources in more appropriate ways. D.A. Keenan could start, for example,
    >by
    >>asking Police Chief Beckner if there's anything she can do to help find
    the
    >>killer of Susannah Chase, the woman bludgeoned to death a year after
    >>JonBenet.
    >>
    >>In that case, there's a murder to be solved.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>Editor's Note: If you want to encourage Colorado Gov. Owens to appoint a
    >>special prosecutor to get to the bottom of the mystery of JonBenet's
    >>killing, call 303-866-2471 or email him here: governorowens@state.co.us.
    To
    >>sign a petition requesting that the governor appoint a special prosecutor,
    >>click here.
    >>
    >>Ryan Ross is a legal affairs writer based in Denver. He has been published
    >>in the Washington Post, the National Law Journal, the ABA Journal and
    Legal
    >>Times, among other publications, and has twice appeared as an expert on
    >>"Nightline." He can be reached by email at Mtnry@aol.com.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>Additional Reading:
    >>
    >>The Murder of JonBenét Ramsey by J.J. Maloney and J. Patrick O'Connor.
    >>Astoundingly, this highest of high-profile murder case goes unsolved. A
    >>grand jury met for over a year, only to disband in October 1999 without
    >>handing down an indictment. For their part the Ramseys have orchestrated
    an
    >>expensive and sophisticated PR campaign to bolster their thin veneer of
    >>innocence. Will the Ramseys ever see the inside of a courtroom? The case
    >has
    >>spawned both criminal and civil suits that are perking their way through
    >the
    >>courts. One of the suspects the Ramseys named has sued the couple in
    >federal
    >>court for libel and slander. As each case in turn churns out its
    particular
    >>blockbuster revelations about the botched investigation and the Ramseys
    >>themselves, the pressure to indict one or both of the Ramseys will be
    >>unstoppable.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>
     
  11. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin


    Omigawd, call the leak patrol. Call the white jackets. BobC is wearing a white hanky (oh, the visuals), and RR is in Denial being Jacked around.

    I move for a Miss Trial.
     
  12. Niner

    Niner Active Member

    :floor: :floor: :highfive: Good One, RR!! Love it!
     
  13. Niner

    Niner Active Member

    actually kk - he was shot only once...


    from http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=4710301

    just wanted to keep things "straight" on that case! :D
     
  14. Greenleaf

    Greenleaf FFJ Senior Member

    Where's The Beef?

    TO: mybelief.

    My belief is that you are one of the Rams. Getting pretty desperate, arn't we?

    :no: :no: :no:


    ***************************
    Your sieve runnith over with Ram-Spam. :yuck:
    ‘Tis dripping upon the rational thought of well-informed sleuths, and dissipating through the numerous holes of your nonsensical theory.
    Here, at FFF, we have a more suitable vessel to store our opining. It is the sturdy bowl of common sense.
    You don’t even pass the pubic puke test.

    :leaf:
    GL
    "Fools rush in where angels fear to thread."
     
  15. Thor

    Thor Active Member

    HAHAHA I love it Rat!!!!
     
  16. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Aurora, thank you so much for posting that article. I have never seen it before. It's the most comprehensive, detailed, and concise writing I've seen on this case in a long time.

    Here's the link to the original, which has some great links within the article which you can click to get additional information and sources:

    http://crimemagazine.com/solvingjbr-main.htm

    Here is also a section out of the article that is worth pointing out, as it is part of this murder seldom discussed by reporters or experts anymore, but I think it is the real motive in the coverup and strangulation, whether you think the strangler knew JonBenet was still breathing or not:

    And that is pretty much the nut in the shell, IMO.

    By the way, Aurora, if you haven't already, I would like to post the link to this article for Little Angel on the thread she started asking about evidence against the Rams.

    Thanks again. It's quite the refresher on the case and then some.... :thumbsup:
     
  17. Tez

    Tez Member

    KK, I am glad that I wasn't the only one who didn't read that article. I thought it was very informative. Thanks Aurora for posting it!

    RR, I am dying laughing from your comment about Lynchborg! BWHAAAAA!

    Pass the kleenex BobC!
     
  18. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    How in the world did two of you miss this most important article?! Thank you so much Aurora for the refresher on reality....the threads may turn lighthearted as we poke fun at the fact that we are being accused of behaving like a lynchmob because it is so far away from the Truth - which is Status Quo from that side of the fence.

    RR
     
  19. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Hey, everyone...

    "It is somewhat amazing to find that a such a run-of-the-mill statement of support for the Ramseys should engender such outrage. Is this really the United States? Innocent until proven guilty? Judging suspects in a court of law, not the press? Trusting that a Grand Jury just might know something we don’t?

    Whew, you’re a tough bunch. Is there genuinely room for debate here, or have you not already appointed yourselves judge, jury, and executioners of this couple? It seems to me that I at least allow for the possibility that I may be mistaken, and willing to let the justice system - not my limited information - determine the outcome."

    This sounds very much to me like the discredited professor Michael Tracey, especially with the swipes at the media and at the US justice system.

    Doesn't Professor Crock have a new book coming out soon on the JonBenet case?
     
  20. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

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