Adrian Monk Don't mind me. I happen to think you are intelligent and capable of ferreting out the BS and getting to the nitty gritty of this case, but I think you are basing some of your thoughts on wrong information. Ever since Steve Thomas wrote his book (right or wrong, there are differences of opinion on this forum about that), we have had little information from the BPD and tons of one-sided propaganda from the RST. Unfortunately, some of that propaganda manages to work its way into the calulations of even some of the long-term and most knowledgeable posters. Things like John Ramsey closing that basement window - so HE says. I saw just today how jameson tried to blow away someone's theory about Paty's fibers getting on JB because by then "Patsy had her nightclothes on." Hello? How the hell does jameson know that? Was she there? Of course not. Jameson does NOT know that. I don't recall Patsy's ever saying she put her pajamas or nightgown on that night, but by God, the all knowing jameson knows what she had on. Little comments like that get picked up by little heads, though, and touted as truth when it's nothing but garbage. I love to discuss things about this case, but I get frustrated when I know what I'm reading is regurgitated Wood or jameson, or Smit fabrications. It's not intentional, I know that, but it happens a lot. If we are going to keep our heads above water here, we have to go back to the best evidence in this case, which was the original observations of the police at the scene, the evidence collected, which has not changed, and the reports made by the detectives who were there and witnessed certain things. There were mistakes made in the beginning of this case, obviously, but I believe those detectives worked really hard to find the truth. The RST likes to make it sound as if the BPD were bent on convicting the parents. Why would they? These detectives were deeply affected by JB's death. Why would they want to falsely accuse the parents and let a monster go free to kill another child? Of course, there's no evidence that's happened, dear me. None of the evidence in the case has changed. What has changed is that Wood and the Ramseys and Smit and their other henchmen have been the only ones talking, putting out crockumentaries that are skewed and totally self (Ramsey)-serving, appearing on talk shows, yada yada yada. ThE BPD hasn't talked. Keenan et al sure as heck aren't talking; she's got a Ramsey henchman on her payroll, imagine that. The evidence and the facts have been so twisted by the RST, it's a wonder anyone even knows it's still the JBR case. My own thoughts on any conspiracy issue is that someone called in a few favors that night - that someone has powerful connections. They have to keep a lid on their actions to protect themselves. Boulder is an incestuous little town politically speaking. I believe there has been a cover up involving some Boulder officials - either that or they are truly the most inept bunch of clowns in that DA's office I've ever seen. I'd go further and call it corruption. There's something very wrong in that place; I don't know who all the players are though.