JB's blood on the pillowcase...

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by koldkase, Nov 22, 2008.

  1. Elle

    Elle Member

    Any of the medical people here think 30 visits to a pediatrician is very far fetched considering the same recording was being heard relating to bubble baths being the main cause of JonBenet's problem? Give me a break, there are special creams on the market for taking care of this type of irritation. We haven't heard it all yet! We haven't heard it all!
  2. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    This is what is so astounding- the mom went in the examining room with the brother (my son-in-law) but the doctor told her to wait in the waiting room when he examined the sister. And she DID. Can you believe it? I guess back in that day (circa the early 70s), you didn't question the doctor. And it is equally horrible that a doctor uses his position of authority to sexually assault a little girl. Can you imagine how terrified that little girl was? And that is why she now, as an adult, wants no relationship with her mother, and has had one failed relationship after another with men.
  3. Pearlsim

    Pearlsim FFJ Senior Member

    Here's why I think anything is possible with Dr. Beuf: As a mom who has raised a daughter and been around lots of other moms raising daughters, I can categorically state the following: No mom would keep going to the same doctor thirty times for a medical problem that didn't get better.

    If the doctor said the child's irritation and infections were caused by bubble bath, any mother in their right mind would immediately cease using that bubble bath.

    If the symptoms persisted after stopping the bubble bath, that mother would want a second opinion from another doctor, rather than returning time after time again with no remedy for the child's distress.

    If a second opinion still failed to produce results, mom would then turn to a specialist. You just don't let your child continue suffering without wanting to do whatever it takes to find out what is causing the problem.

    Something is very wrong about the whole picture of so very many visits to see Dr. Beuf in that short amount of time, given that JonBenet apparently had no chronic, explainable illnesses such as asthma etc....
  4. Elle

    Elle Member

    This is sad, DeeDee. This poor little girl left to deal with it all by herself.
    Her mother was at fault here. A parent has to take a strong stand when it comes to their own children. I can understand why she feels this way. For her sake, I hope someone special will turn up to help her go through life as a happier person.
  5. AMES

    AMES Member

    Whoa, that should have been a huge red flag...if a dr. asked me to wait in the waiting room, while he examined MY daughter. I would have said..."When PIGS fly!" and then I would have asked him WHY? And then I would have grabbed up my child and headed for the door, and he would have never seen my face, or my child ever again, and I wouldn't have cared WHAT year it was.
  6. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    Today, I can't imagine any mom doing that. But then, this girl's mom was from a generation that would have deferred to authority. I know it seems inane looking at it now. I am not defending the mom, but it is an explanation, not an excuse.
  7. heymom

    heymom Member

    Back to the stains...

    Based on how my son bled from his ear after his mild-to-minor skull fracture, I would surmise that JonBenet must have had bleeding from her ear on the side where her skull was broken in half. Blood finds the nearest exit point and comes out. I would bet that the clean-up included cleaning up the blood from her ear.

    Although, I'm somewhat amazed there wasn't more blood even after she had died...

    But I'm sure she must have bled from her ear(s).
  8. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    The autopsy report mentions tan mucus in her nose and tan saliva in the stain on her right cheek. It is presumed the "tan mucus" was dried blood (which is brownish) mixed with mucus. No mention of her ears, and as the nose/mouth was mentioned I see no reason why the ears would not be mentioned of they did show evidence of blood. Wiping blood from the ear in a clean-up would involve the external ear canal only, and the coroner would certainly have seen and noted dried blood in the middle/inner ear, as he did with the dried and semifluid blood in the vagina.
    While the head blow could have certainly resulted in bleeding from the nose/mouth/ear, it isn't a certainty. The strangulation could have caused that as well. But there WAS bleeding in the skull- subdural and subarachnoid bleeding was found at the autopsy.
  9. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Bumping for cyber at topix.
  10. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    Don't recall if this is the thread were DNAX was discussed.Maybe DNAX is JAR's sample they found on the blanket in the suitcase?
  11. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Hm. That's an interesting thought I hadn't seen before. Mark Beckner wasn't telling, though, was he? So you know it must look really bad for someone.
  12. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    Dunno but LW seemed really desperate to find out what kind of dna it was and to whom it belonged.Was kinda funny to follow. :D
    His job was to protect his clients not to look for an intruder,so him being so worried about DNAX says a lot.
  13. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    We do know for sure that JAR's DNA was found on the blanket (it was a comforter from his dorm room) that was in the suitcase. It was his semen. Not so unusual for a college kid. What WAS unusual was the children's book (Dr. Seuss) found in there as well.
    What we don't know is whether it could be revealed if his DNA matches any found on the body IF BR was with him at the time. I am not really BDI, but I do consider all possibilities when it comes to this case. IF BR was there and considered a participant or accomplice, no one else can be named because he was under 10.
  14. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    Not saying it has anything to do with the crime.Beckner said it was found at the crime scene but not on her clothes or on her body and it was the only thing I could think of,never heard of any other dna found at the crime scene.
    Was thinking that maybe Beckner knew it also,that it's not related to the crime but was enjoying LW's despair.And that would be fair enough :D.Why tell him anyway?
  15. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I wonder if it was from the blanket found in the basement. Or maybe the gown? I'm thinking that we had a source in the not too distant past that was credible for the blanket and/or gown having blood on it/them?

    Sorry, memory has gone kaput! I'm sure the info is around here somewheres'....
  16. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Yes, not only is the Dr. Seuss book suspicious, the fact that Team Ramsey has been hell bent on not NAMING which Dr. Seuss book it is makes it even moreso.

    If Burke was involved, say he was the one who delivered the fatal head blow under whatever circumstances, but someone else put the garrote on and pulled the cord and/or molested JonBenet, someone who was not a minor, then the adult could still be charged. Because Burke was a minor, there would be a lot of the case files and proceedings sealed, I think, had it been brought to prosecution under such circumstances.

    If Burke was the one who bludgeoned, molested, and garroted his sister, then yes, it would be entirely a social services/DFCS issue and handled by children's court, which means sealed from the word go. Whether the parents would be indicted for the offence of obstruction because Patsy wrote the note, various lies to LE, etc., who knows? It's Boulder, so I doubt it, since Hunter and Lacy have proven to be de facto defense attorneys anyway.

    Well, this is how I think the law applied at the time. Do I remember that Colorado since has changed their age for a minor to be charged as an adult to 9? At the time of this murder, the age was 10, and Burke was a few weeks shy of being 10.

    Do I believe Burke was involved in any element of this crime? I think it's certainly possible. But as you say, there are a number of possible theories as to who did what in this murder. Until the Ramseys decide to tell the truth or LE actually reveals all the evidence in full to the public, I can't settle on one theory as "IT".

    I do find it interesting that one of the Ramsey "shills" at topix posted not long ago that in the transcript of Burke's grand jury testimony, Burke said he put the pineapple on the table himself. When questioned about this, that "shill" repeatedly said READ BURKE'S GRAND JURY TRANSCRIPT. When it was pointed out to that "shill" that the public has no ACCESS to any grand jury transcript, that "shill" then tried to backtrack and divert attention from his claim. So either that "shill" is lying, which he has often done, or he's gotten the info from a private source/forum and forgot it was "secret" and wasn't supposed to be revealed to BORG. :floor:

    The thing is we know that Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl of pineapple on the table and on the tea glass. Jams has also stated in the last week that Burke's fingerprints were on the SPOON, as well. I asked her where she got that info and if she knew anything about Burke admitting he put the pineapple on the table, not to mention WHEN, but she didn't respond that I've seen--heh. We know JonBenet ate pineapple shortly before her death that matched the pineapple in the bowl, and we have known for some time Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl and tea glass, so that's not news. What we don't know is WHEN Burke put that bowl out. If Team Ramsey knows, they're not telling.

    And that is what keeps Burke on the radar for me. It's what they cover up, isn't it? It must look bad, because they won't tell the truth about it, though they jump down the throat of anyone who even asks the questions which they already have the answers to.

    I'm going to post some interesting discussion on the pineapple from topix and the results of an experiment done by a professional x-ray tech, "learnin", who has given me permission to copy his posts here. So I'll continue this on the pineapple thread. I think it gives us some actual idea of the timeline of when JonBenet ate that pineapple.
  17. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    Same here,I swear I read somewhere about blood on the nightgown but I don't recall where.
  18. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    In Colorado, kids under 10 can't even be charged with a crime. They can't be accused, charged, or indicted. It is as if the crime never happened. No matter what the crime. So Children's Services, Juvenile Court, whoever handles minors in Colorado, would not handle this case, nor any case involving kids under 10. They handle kids between 10 and 18.
  19. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    If there is blood on the pillow and on her night gown,maybe that's what she was actually wearing to bed that night and it all happened in her bedroom.She was then taken to the basement and they redressed her.(they were afraid that B might wake up).
  20. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    Because if she was awake when they arrived home like we suspect,why put her to bed in the same shirt she wore at the party,doesn't make sense.If she even made it to bed that night I think she was wearing the nightgown.
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