John Ramsey's new web site

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Little, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    Oh ITA.I don't know him personally like others do but I am sure he knows something but maybe not enough to definitely nail JR.Maybe that's why he's so upset like ST is.They probably know more but can't tell,it's either not enough or they still hope they'll be able to speak up in a courtroom someday?IMO.

    He was there in the basement with JR.I H O P E he knows more about what happened when JB was found.

    Btw,I read somewhere,I forget now where sorry that he and JR had an argument about the piece of tape?Why?Does anyone know?TIA

    Another thing that confuses me a bit .St says in his book pg.29 :"White,who had never before touched a dead person,felt JonBenet's cold ankle,turned,and ran for help.John Ramsey picked up his daughter,who had been carefully wrapped,papoose-like,in a white blanket,and followed."


    JR never says anything about FW being in the wine cellar with him when he found JB.They must have TALKED fgs but JR always says that they didn't exchange any words down there....WTH????I don't get it!!!Why does he try to keep FW quiet by accusing him??Yep,FW knows something and I can't wait for him to be able to speak up.I am tired of JR and his lies.
     
  2. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member


    I don't know anything about an argument over "tape," and I have never met, talked to, or in any way know the Whites.

    But as far as being tired of JR's lies, I feel your pain.

    I was particularly shocked when JR implicated White PERSONALLY in the last article I remember being written about him and this case for which Ramsey was interviewed. A Ramsey shill wrote it, for The Daily Beast, I think, and John didn't name White, but it was clear that's who JR was fingering THIS TIME.

    I thought JR had hit a new low when he did that. Considering he's lived in the abyss for all these years, that's quite a feat.
     
  3. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    FW was right behind JR as they entered the wineceller. He alone knows exactly how JBR was "found"- whether she was the tape on her mouth or not, whether her wrists were tightly bound as JR claimed (we of course know they were NOT). Removing the tape would take a second or two, but untying he wrist cords would take longer. FW may or may not have seen JR pull off the tape, but he had to have entered the wineceller in time to see JR fiddling with the wrist cords. That's why I believe FW knew the things JR said was a pack of lies and it wasn't just the Rs lack of cooperation with LE that caused the confrontation between JR and FW.
     
  4. Karen

    Karen Member



    I remember reading one of his police interviews recently and he said he didn't know FW was there in the room with him. That he didn't remember him being there. According to what we've read and put together JR entered first, found her, FW entered behind him while he was tearing the tape off and untying her wrist, but then FW left before JR and ran upstairs yelling for somebody to call an ambulance. So I can sort of see how JR may not have been aware of FW at that crucial time because he was occupied with the tape and wrist cords.
    But then again finding JB like that it seems like he would have been scared or terrified and would have been a little hyper sensitive to someone else in the room since supposedly there was an intruder running around loose after all. I don't know. I'm sick of the lies too. It seems like nothing the Ramseys said makes sense at all. Ever.
     
  5. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    tape

    It seems to me I have read that FW allegedly picked up the tape from the floor for some reason. I possibly read this at an IDI site since there was talk that FW did this to cover any possible fingerprints of his that were on the tape by showing they could have got there after the body was discovered. A bunch of nonsense of course but typical IDI theories.
     
  6. Little

    Little Member

    From PMPT (hardback):

    page 20
    After Arndt's 911 call, John Ramsey told the detective that
    no one knew about the wine cellar in the basement and
    therefore his daughter's murder "has to be an inside job."
    Meanwhile, Fleet White decided to go back downstairs to
    the wine cellar where her body had been found. He had
    looked into the same room early that morning when he
    made a quick search of the house. Now that there was a


    page 21
    light on, he saw clearly for the first time a white blanket in
    the center of the cement floor. A piece of black duct tape
    was lying on it. He picked up the tape, which felt sticky, and
    then placed it back on the blanket for the police.
    He looked
    around the room cluttered with paint cans, lumber and window
    screens before he went back upstairs to guard the door.
     
  7. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    There was no physical evidence that the wrist cords were tied tightly around JB's wrists. There would have been marks similar to the ligature furrow around her neck. There were NO marks on her wrists. Despite what JR said, he did not untie the wrist cords. He SAID her wrists were tightly bound. That was a lie that was easily dispelled, no need for the autopsy. All you had to do was look at the wrists.
     
  8. Elle

    Elle Member

    Good grief, Little. That was a foolish thing for Fleet to do, pick up the duct tape leaving his fingerprints on it, don't you think? Truthfully, as you already know, I parted with most of my books relating to the JonBenét case because I felt I was finished with it. You were very kind and copied quite a few pages for me, allowing me to post them on this forum. I thank you for that., and without the books, one cannot refresh one's memory in the same way.
     
  9. Little

    Little Member

    The holidays just wouldn't be complete without JonBenet's killer/co-conspirator taking advantage of her would it?

     
  10. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    oh the nerve!

    JR is asking everyone to examine their consciences! :hopmad:
     
  11. Elle

    Elle Member

    Once again I ask why did Fleet White pick up the piece of black duct tape without thinking it could implement him in this murder? This treally troubles me! Any more information anywhere about this incident?
     
  12. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Charity should begin at home, don't you think Texan?
    :floor:
     
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2009
  13. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    lol moab

    Thanks for calming me down.:heart:
     
  14. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    What a pathetic bunch of lies those jokers continue to spin.

    I hope they all reap what they have sewn.
     
  15. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_14059596


    Oh I love the part in red :rolleyes:



    Ramsey: Father's foundation lists killer's traits
    Posted: 12/23/2009 06:39:37 PM MST


    Foundation, a nonprofit founded by John Ramsey in 2008, has released a list of traits that the killer of JonBenet Ramsey may have exhibited before or after the girl's 1996 slaying. They include:

    Having strong or persistently expressed opinions about organized religion, capitalism and U.S. participation in global affairs.

    Being perceived as capable of acting without compassion, being violent toward others, setting fires or killing animals.

    Having fantasies about kidnapping people, or the risks of what it would be like to abduct someone.

    Being fascinated with children.

    Being secretive, maintaining spaces or possessions that are strictly off limits to others.

    Having discussed, demonstrated or practiced the construction of garrotes or other strangulation devices and body restraints.

    Owning a stun gun and paying excessive attention to it by frequent maintenance, display and practice of it.

    Having superficial wounds, like bruises, scrapes or scratches in the days after the murder.

    Being absent unexpectedly from work, church, school or other routine habits or hobbies.

    Being isolated, or taking a spontaneous trip or the sudden need to spend time alone after the murder.

    Changing physical appearance after the murder.

    Intense interest in the Ramsey murder, following the case with heightened attention and focus.

    Having obtained a new or used vehicle in the days after the murder.

    Relocating suddenly after the murder.

    Collecting images or videos of JonBenet.

    Stating or hinting that the Ramsey's -- or JonBenet -- are getting what they deserved.

    Being complimentary toward the killer.

    Possessing items that came from the Ramsey home.







    -----------------------

    And I don't recall them reporting something missing from their home after the murder.
     
  16. DeeDee

    DeeDee Member

    FW really didn't speak much about it- I think it was just a reaction he had, and did it without thinking about the implications. FW was not the donor of the male DNA found, nor were any fibers or other forensic evidence found that link him to the crime, so I don't think his handling the tape should be a problem. JR's prints are also on the tape (he claims he pulled it off, so if that is true, his prints SHOULD be there). FW was right behind JR entering the room, and if JR did pull the tape off as he claimed he did, FW should have seen it. I have not seen much made public from FW's conversations with LE about it. He was never a real suspect (except on the RST's "wish list" of fantasy suspects).
     
  17. Elle

    Elle Member

    Thank you DeeDee!
     
  18. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    Oh good grief...

    Now here is something I just don't understand what is meant here.... John says "...He wants folks to SHARE ANY DOUBTS or information they have about someone they know who may have behaved strangely...." What does that mean? Share any doubts??? What a phrase? Shouldn't it be just share any info. And that whole profile. What the heck is that supposed to mean? If you know of someone who plays with garrotes and has a stun gun is secretive and fascinated with children. What the hey any way. I've read and heard profiles from the FBI and this one is strange. Is it just me or is this just too much verbiage?
     
  19. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    It is not just you and it is SMIT'S profile, no doubt, not an FBI one. Why else would the stun gun be there? The FBI said to look at the family and JR and PR believed that so much they wouldn't take an FBI-sponsored polygraph. This profile reeks of Smitty-the-bumbling-defective-detective.
     
  20. madeleine_ws

    madeleine_ws Member

    OH NO,it's not just you...........but this profile just fits the whole intruder scenario........it's unique :rolleyes: and :violin:

    it's just a silly mix that doesn't fit ANYONE on this planet.......confusion,confusion,same old cheap spin........one line fits a pedo,another line fits a psycho socialist,another one fits JMK,another one fits someone who only wanted revenge blah blah blah
     
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