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AMES · May 12, 2007

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KK, I was wondering what videos were all over the floor in JAR's room also. I haven't had time to go over the warrants of the video list to try and match up how many videos might have been taken out of just that room.

Personally I think the whole family is confused as to which room is the actual "guest room." I think it depends on who the guest was at the time or who the guest was invited by. During the crime scene photo ID walk through during the June 98 interviews, BPD official photo #39 was described by Patsy as the "guest room" which was Melinda's bedroom which is apparently also where all of JonBenet's pageant clothes were stored in the closet and the room that Nedra stayed in. (Reference below):

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(0288-05) THOMAS HANEY: 39? PATSY RAMSEY: This is the guest room, where mother used to stay. THOMAS HANEY: And do you recall when she last stayed there? PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, God, no. Not exactly. I kept all her pageant clothes in that closet. Costumes and stuff and that kind of thing. THOMAS HANEY: And so you were in and out of that room? PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, I always used that room. - (0288-18) THOMAS HANEY: Did anybody else use it, anybody stay there? PATSY RAMSEY: Not in recent times.
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(0289-03) PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, right. As a matter of fact, I ran upstairs, at one time they asked me for a picture, and when they were -- when everybody was getting -- whatever they were doing, you know, they needed a picture of her. And I went upstairs and got the portfolios out of the closet and probably laid it on the bed and looked through it and seen a picture of her in this cute T-shirt, you know. TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. PATSY RAMSEY: Kind of where I put the pageant stuff.
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But when Patsy's friend Linda Mason came to visit for two weeks in late October 1996 she stayed in what she called "the guest room" (Reference below from Linda McLean's book):

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"I couldn't help but remember over and over again the 2 weeks I had spent with the Ramseys at their home in Boulder just a couple months before, in late October, I had slept next to JonBenet's room, in the guest room near the spiral staircase." [Linda Mason JBMpg108]
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So during the June 98 interviews Patsy is telling Haney and DeMuth that nobody stays in JAR's room and that it was only used to pack clothing for trips, etc., but clearly Linda Mason stated she stayed in that room for two weeks.

In addition, on page 102 of Linda McLean's book, Patsy's cousin Debbie wrote about going to Patsy's 40th birthday party and the next morning they were all in the SAME BED talking girl talk. Susanna Savage is quoted in PMPT page 146 that she babysat that night for JonBenet and Burke at the Boulder house so we know that JonBenet was there when the birthday party family group got home and obviously stayed at Patsy's house for them to be there all together the next morning in the same bed. Only guessing but unless they booted John out of his own bed, my guess is they either all slept in JAR's room or in what Patsy called the pageant room, aka Melinda's bedroom. that was in November 1996.

JBM Page 102:
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"I next saw Patsy when I was invited to Boulder for her surprise 40th Birthday party. (SNIP) The morning after the party, I remember all of us being in one bed and talking 'girl talk,' There was Patsy, Pam, Paulette, Melinda, JonBenet and myself. We giggled and talked about the party, how great it was to be together and what was happening in our lives. Patsy talked about her anticipated trip to New York City with JonBenet and other friends and their daughters. They called it the 'mother-daughter' trip. [Debbie] "
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My take on Patsy and the connection to JAR's bedroom is that it just brought bad memories to her talking about it because for so long a period THAT room literally became her bedroom during her illness. As far as the drawers being opened, Patsy did say she may have been in there looking for a thermometer to take with them on their trip.

But more interesting is the fact that John Ramsey and Linda Arndt were in JAR's bedroom in the early morning of December 26th AFTER the first crime scene photo was taken of the room which is clear IMO because of the stuff on the chair in the early picture. I have read no reference where any bells or whistles went off in John Ramsey's head about those drawers being open that morning so that kind of tells me the drawers being opened was not that unusual.

I mean don't get me wrong, I can understand why it raised red flags with the cops and thus they took the pictures but this family obviously thought nothing of throwing things on the floor and leaving drawers open.

It was clear to me from reading Smit's interview with John that Smit was leading him and that John was becoming tuned to comment on what Smit wanted him to notice. At one point John tells Smit that they NEVER go on the North side of the house (where the bat was found outside the butler door or where Smit suggests that an intruder climbed in the basement bathroom window), no reason John said for the family to use that side of the house.

But later in the same interview John states that the kids and their friends often left the butler door open as they used that as an exit. Of course Smit ignores that point. We never hear anything about that in the documentaries. Also what they failed to ask is what door did all the caters use to bring food, etc. into the house during all the various parties. It had to be the butler kitchen IMO, that is what THAT room was used for.

KK, this has been a real eye opener for me literally doing a walk through along with John and Patsy's discussion of the crime scene photos. Talk about feeling like the fly on the wall.

Other tidbits I missed from previously reading the transcripts was the fact that a lamp post near the back patio was still on in the morning. Patsy said they kept it on during the whole Christmas season. Another was that the door leading from the garage to the inside hall had Christmas bells on it that jingled when the door opened. But that JonBenet's coat was in the back seat of the Jaguar really grabbed my attention.

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(0339-11) TOM HANEY: Photo 63. PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh. TRIP DEMUTH: Which vehicle did you take to the lake, was that the white Jaquar, is that what that is? PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible). Yeah, I'm almost sure. Yeah, I think it is. And there is JonBenet's coat back there. TRIP DEMUTH: Is that the coat she wore that night? PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I think so.
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And Patsy's first viewing of the crime scene photos where the bowl and glass were on the breakfast table, she obviously wasn't informed yet that it was the big bugaboo because she seems to just waltz right past it and even throws in that maybe there is also a cup of coffee on the table. The reference below was the only comments shown in the transcripts made during that first run through asking her about photo #78 showing the bowl and glass and when Haney asks if there is anything else in photo 78 she says no.

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(0357-11) TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. Seventy-eight. PATSY RAMSEY: Our kitchen table. This is where the kids had made gingerbread houses. The gingerbread house sitting there. There is a little box I kept my Christmas cards in. TRIP DEMUTH: On the right? PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like a little Noah's ark. The Nutcracker. This is a bowl, a cereal bowl, that glass there. A canister or a jar, a jar. Oh, maybe a cup of coffee. This is the dining room. TOM HANEY: Anything else in that one, 78? PATSY RAMSEY: No.
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It wasn't until after they took a break and she returned to go through another set of the dining room table photos showing the bowl and glass that she went into her thing about suddenly not knowing how THAT bowl or glass got on the table and even claims she cleaned off the table after breakfast. Why didn't she say all of that during the first run through?

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And she also says in her interview...I will post it here, if needed....that she can't tell whats in the bowl...she says..."it looks like GRITS...or cereal". Grits or cereal??? Looks just like pineapple and cream to me. There is also a ton of things that are either "out of place"..or she doesn't know how it got there. One being the rectangle box of kleenex thats next to the glass and the bowl with the "grits" in it. She says...that she doesn't know how the kleenex box got there, that she doesn't use THAT kind of box...she only uses the square boxes, because they take up less room. So I guess the "intruder" brought in his own rectangle box of kleenexes, for JonBenet to blow her nose on....along with the rope and tape..and he didn't need to bring a flashlight to see with (although I don't see how "he" climbed through that tiny, basement window in the dark without one)....he just happens to find the Ramsey's flashlight and uses it.

heymom · May 12, 2007

And afterwards, he takes the batteries out of the flashlight, wipes them off, wipes the flashlight off inside and out, and then leaves it on the kitchen counter when he heads down to the basement to wriggle out of that tiny basement window. Oh, yeah, that happened!!

:rs:

AMES · May 12, 2007

heymom said:

And afterwards, he takes the batteries out of the flashlight, wipes them off, wipes the flashlight off inside and out, and then leaves it on the kitchen counter when he heads down to the basement to wriggle out of that tiny basement window. Oh, yeah, that happened!!

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LOL....yeah, I can just SEE it now. How did he manage all of that in the dark?? HMMMMM??? I guess that he must have borrowed JR night vision goggles that Patsy talks about in her interview. :elfroll:

RiverRat · May 13, 2007

Ames in in the House!!!

:jumpie: :jumpie: :jumpie:

Barbara · May 13, 2007

Welcome Ames

We hope your time in the guttah is everything we have found it to be over the years

A round of Oreos for everyone, and two for Ames!

:winkaway:

koldkase · May 13, 2007

heymom said:

And afterwards, he takes the batteries out of the flashlight, wipes them off, wipes the flashlight off inside and out, and then leaves it on the kitchen counter when he heads down to the basement to wriggle out of that tiny basement window. Oh, yeah, that happened!!

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Dang, heymom! You're so right!

Okay then! MORE to add to our profile of the INTRUDER:

one legged, bald with no body hair, naked, midget with expertise in acrobatics to get through the basement window without leaving fibers or DNA all over the window sill Smit dragged his butt over, carrying a bag of rope, duct tape, stun gun, and cord--and NOW...has X-RAY VISION!!

I'll update my intruder BOLO!

koldkase · May 13, 2007

AMES said:

LOL....yeah, I can just SEE it now. How did he manage all of that in the dark?? HMMMMM??? I guess that he must have borrowed JR night vision goggles that Patsy talks about in her interview. :elfroll:
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Oh. My. God.

Now that we know how Patsy operated in that interview...could it be...PATSY WORE THE NIGHT GOGGLES?

I can just see it now.... Patsy, the ORIGINAL --->>> :borgsmile

AMES · May 13, 2007

RiverRat said:

Ames in in the House!!!

:jumpie: :jumpie: :jumpie:
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LOL...Hi RiverRat...good to see you again. I have been trying to get "in the house"...for 6 months now. I finally made it to the finish line.....YIPPEE!!!

AMES · May 13, 2007

Barbara said:

Welcome Ames

We hope your time in the guttah is everything we have found it to be over the years

A round of Oreos for everyone, and two for Ames!

:winkaway:
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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!! Golly gee...you guys are SO friendly!!! I am so happy to be here, and look forward to finally being able to join in on your discussions.

Thanks for the Oreos Barbara, I am saving one for later. :tsmile:

AMES · May 13, 2007

koldkase said:

Dang, heymom! You're so right!

Okay then! MORE to add to our profile of the INTRUDER:

one legged, bald with no body hair, naked, midget with expertise in acrobatics to get through the basement window without leaving fibers or DNA all over the window sill Smit dragged his butt over, carrying a bag of rope, duct tape, stun gun, and cord--and NOW...has X-RAY VISION!!

I'll update my intruder BOLO!
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:laffbig: Now THAT is funny!! Didn't he look ridiulous doing that? And he did it to prove that an intruder could have came through that window....and really all it did was make him look like a big old fool, and proved to me (something that I already knew)...that an intruder did NOT come through that window....or ANY window or door in the Ramsey home.

AMES · May 13, 2007

koldkase said:

Oh. My. God.

Now that we know how Patsy operated in that interview...could it be...PATSY WORE THE NIGHT GOGGLES?

I can just see it now.... Patsy, the ORIGINAL --->>> :borgsmile
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Yep, I believe that she was on drugs during that interview, or smoked something other than a cigarette, before it. I read an article about detecting lies..and one of them was "putting ones hand up to their face, or over their mouth"....Patsy did that ALOT when looking at photos. AND one of them was saying..."Uhhh, ahhhhh, ummm, and I don't know....alot".....Does THAT sound familiar???

RiverRat · May 13, 2007

AMES said:

LOL...Hi RiverRat...good to see you again. I have been trying to get "in the house"...for 6 months now. I finally made it to the finish line.....YIPPEE!!!
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Silly you! You should have PM'ed me over at WBS....especially after I read the PR and JR interview threads, I would have had you in here pronto! But, as with the rest of us - you had to earn your wings in order to soar with The Bees!

Congratulations on Moving on Up in the World!

RiverRat · May 13, 2007

AMES said:

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!! Golly gee...you guys are SO friendly!!! I am so happy to be here, and look forward to finally being able to join in on your discussions.

Thanks for the Oreos Barbara, I am saving one for later. :tsmile:
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Friendly?! You are letting our dirty little secret out!

AMES · May 13, 2007

RiverRat said:

Silly you! You should have PM'ed me over at WBS....especially after I read the PR and JR interview threads, I would have had you in here pronto! But, as with the rest of us - you had to earn your wings in order to soar with The Bees!

Congratulations on Moving on Up in the World!
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Thanks RiverRat...actually I DID PM you over at WBS....LOL You must not have gotten it. I had to get three people to vouch for me...and you were one of them....along with Jayelles and Rashomon. Sorry that you didn't get the PM!!!

I am very happy that I finally moved up in the world...and have earned my wings so that I could soar with The Bees!!

AMES · May 13, 2007

Thank You...

RiverRat said:

Friendly?! You are letting our dirty little secret out!
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LOL...okay...sorry. Shhhhhhh...I will be very quiet about the dirty little secret from now on. I will not tell a soul! But, you have to bribe me with an oreo first...and THEN I will keep my mouth shut.

AMES · May 13, 2007

Cherokee said:

Thanks, ACR, for making all these photos available. You're amazing.

I took Why_Nut's copy of your screen capture and used my photo program on it plus lightened it a little bit.

I agree with the others who think the book is a Bible with a ribbon marker. I've seen markers like those that do not come with the Bible but are bought extra in a store. They usually have a little piece of flat, rectangular, pewter or silver-colored plastic (usually with some symbol on it) that can drape outside of the top of the Bible. The ribbon is long enough to hang down through the Bible, and another little piece of plastic to match the other one (sometimes it's a heart or a cross, etc.) at the top end. Unfortunately, the photo is cropped so we can't see the bottom end of the book mark.

To me, it looks like that is a gold metal photo frame to the top left of the Bible with a photo pf figures standing in a field or somewhere. The frame and the Bible appear to be on a dark wood desk or nightstand.
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I posted a ton of things on a "PR Interview" Thread, over at websleuths...highlighting all of the things that Patsy said was either out of place, or she didn't know how it got there. John's bible was one of them...

1 TRIP DEMUTH: I brought that photo out
2 because I want to know, this is 287 and 226 are of the
3 bible. Does it look unusual to have the bible open
4 like that? Some people leave it open all the time.
5 Other people like to have their desk tops cleared up.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: John is pretty finicky about
7 his desk top, you know. He -- yeah, I would think he
8 would not leave it like that. I never went in there
9 that much, so I didn't pay attention. My bathroom was
10 around back here.
11 TRIP DEMUTH: Well --
12 PATSY RAMSEY: I would be surprised that he
13 would leave that open.

I guess that the polite "intruder" left the bible open. He probably did that right before he prayed.

heymom · May 14, 2007

AMES said:

LOL...okay...sorry. Shhhhhhh...I will be very quiet about the dirty little secret from now on. I will not tell a soul! But, you have to bribe me with an oreo first...and THEN I will keep my mouth shut.
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I am in charge of all Oreo bribes around here...

AMES · May 14, 2007

heymom said:

I am in charge of all Oreo bribes around here...
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LOL....You won't have any left with me around now. I am pretty sneaky when it comes to stealing Oreos.

heymom · May 14, 2007

AMES said:

LOL....You won't have any left with me around now. I am pretty sneaky when it comes to stealing Oreos.
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Oh, yeah??? Here's a demonstration of my guard dog's temper...just try it..

AMES · May 14, 2007

heymom said:

Oh, yeah??? Here's a demonstration of my guard dog's temper...just try it..
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LOL...okay, okay...I will let you dish out the Oreos....you have convinced me!! I promise never to steal not one....I don't need a flame broiled butt.

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