Tip of Iceberg??

or just a visible facet of a couple of ice-cubes ??

Somethting that has irked me about this whole JonBenet fiasco... is how easily it all happened.. from initial stuff ups by Local LE through Systemic corrupt coverup by a plethora of parties.

And being the cynical bastard that I am ..I am lead to a question... With repsect to Boulder, is the Ramsey case an example of justice forsaken in isolation ? or is there a whole business of corruption being enjoyed by various parties at the expense of innocents.

Are there other things that authorities ought to be investigating, with the Ramsey case as either a cornerstone or foundation, or am I seeing shadows ??... where there's a stench it attracts vermin!!

is there a bigger picture ? I wonder

 

I doubt if I can answer your question properly but I'm gonna give it a shot and put in my 2 cents worth anyway.
IMO, the corruption, cover up and ball started rolling the very minute the Ram's penned the ransom note and made the early morning phone calls on Dec. 26. I think they called trusted friends/lawyers and sought legal advice way before the 911 call was ever made. For 10 yrs JBR's murder has been treated the way it has been treated because of who the Ram's knew and how easily those people could be bought off....friends, lawyers, DA's, cops--- anyone with a pricetag was bought off. So how corrupt is that?
Just read my siggy line!

From the Vanity Fair Article
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/09161997vanityfair.htm

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thanks Tylin....I'malso wondering what othr crimes have gone unnoticed ??.. is JonBenets nurder an aberation in this neighbourhood...or have a whole swag of crimes of varying types gone uninvestigated because of an inadequacy , or an authority corrupted ??

i.e..

is there a serial nature to Boulder ??

 

Conspiracy theories develop out of a lack of knowledge of human nature and an unwillingness to discern fact from fiction.

 

Which is why the Ramsey's phone record went MISSING...never to be found and John's cell phone records showed NO CALLS made during the month of December! Imagine that, John made phone calls on his cell the previous months yet December was zero!!!

Then you politically put in the most incompetent DA (Lacy) the world has ever seen to run the office....and there you have it....more corrupt than Chicago during the Capone years.

And finally the main suspect, who was NEVER cleared, is running the DA's office to this day.

I am shocked some reporter isn't doing an expose on this obvious corruption...Pulitzer prize winning material in my opinion.

 

if thats a dig...fair enough...but way off.. its indeed the facts I search for.. the fiction is what the RST seems to spin..
but happy to be enlightened...always !!

 

Kanga ... I don't really know how widespread the corruption runs in Boulder. I suspect that there are relatively few instances which are known/seen by the general public. My suspicion is that corruption is probably very widespread in the business community rather than in the criminal justice realm.

My suspicions are fueled primarily by what we have seen in the Ramsey case. Instance after instance of the BDA giving preferencial treatment to the Ramseys AND their minions is positive proof.

- Morgan & Co getting off scott free in the J.T. Colfax case where they tampered with the crime scene and obstructed justice.

- Was it Pasta Jay who pulled the gun on reporters and got off scott free?

- Susan Stine impersonating Beckner ... and getting off scott free.

- LooseSmit being given unrestricted use of critical case files

- LooseSmit testifying for the Ramseys at the Grand Jury

- BigBootyDo Paugh obsconding with evidence from the crime scene

- Alex Hunter failing to recuse himself despite personal and business ties with Ramsey attorneys (and LYING about even knowing Haddon)

- ... and Fleet White being the ONLY person prosecuted in connection with the Ramsey case, (NOTE: Karr was not prosecuted, and JT Colfax was prosecuted for an unrelated crime).


The examples go on ... and ON ... and ON!


But WHY such blatant corruption in the Ramsey case?

... I sincerely doubt that it's purely a money issue. Too many people took too many risks for this to be just about money. There had to have been something more sinister behind the scenes to cause sooOOOooo many people to take such HUGE career and personal risks. Someone, IMO, has something very, VERY potentially damaging on someone in VERY high places. Nothing else makes sense. What that might be is anyone's guess ... but I would NOT count out pedophilia as the key to the entire cover-up.


...YumYum

 

conspiracy...the act of two or more to subjugate the truth by co opting efforts etc..

the reason I posted original question is simple...its hard for leopardsd to change spots...and even if not the original intent of some of the participants.. its a hole they dig..and the more they stay at it..the more likley they are to repeat offend...

and if someone has anything over any of them...well its just too tempting for some not to coerce !!..
as Im not there...am just damn curous as to what else seems wrong...if any

 

Kanga, IMO, the reason that this cover-up has stayed in place is that the money went right to the top. Usually people can't afford the high prices of people in high places, but John Ramsey could. My cynical viewpoint says that everyone has a price, some higher than others.

There is a case of child murder in Boulder right now, that is not being prosecuted because the grandfather of the child is a well-known, rather rich architect of some of the Boulder buildings...The child was 10 WEEKS old and covered with bruises, had multiple broken bones. There was no nanny, no intruder. The parents have lawyers and have not been questioned, AFAIK.

So yes, it continues in Boulder. Once bought, twice a liar.

Heymom

 

Makes me sick!

 

ta folks..

funny...good ol' Boulder has a rep for being a little bit different...and in some ways I enjoyed that when there.. ...but it was the other differences that intrigued me..

it strikes me that very little ever happens in total isolation.. ppl always end up knowing this or that...and I dont suspect for one monent its like anything out of a moive...ie. not nearly cut and dried...but as alluded above.. someone does know something...and others know half-things..and some ppl are scared..or at least worried enough to perjure themselves !!

And by deduction it must go to the top of the state at least...or else why not more action.. one day this will all go kaboom !!... no one really cares about money..even a little bit on side...big deal... so also as alluded paedophilia does raise its ugly head as a choice candidate..
and your so right...amazing how of all people only White has been brought to the box..and he's is white..as the snow !!..

ah yes... must be something juicy in all of this.. some journalist ( ala watergate ) needs to weigh in.. and knock 'em like ten pins !!
I sense the truth is so magnificent that it would truly beggar disbelief !!

 

Excellent questions, Kanga. Tylin has already posted what I would have posted myself:

Very little I can add to this, tylin, I agree with everything you have stated here.

Yes, Kangatruth, you said it! there is a whole business of corruption being enjoyed by various parties at the expense of innocents.

 

I've posted this question before but I'll do it again.

Just who was John Ramsey in Dec 1996? He hadn't run for any office or held one that I can recall. He was a wealthy man doing business in Boulder. But that doesn't explain why he should have been granted all this coverup by powers unnamed or unaccounted for. Perhaps he was owed favors for favors done to others. I can understand some of that when you are talking in terms of big business. But the questioned death of a child? Why did it go the way it did from the very beginning?

Again I ask just who was John Ramsey that he got all that secret help by way of a coverup from LE in boulder from the very beginning? And why did the higher ups in Boulder do those favors for him?

 

Zoomama

John Ramsey was a client of Haddon, Morgan, and Forman and a friend of Mike Bynum's. IMO it is that simple.

 

Zoomama, I don't believe John Ramsey was anyone but a very wealthy man who hired the best attorneys in Colorado, and who had the luck to live in Boulder, where the homicide of his daughter would not be properly investigated.

Oh, and he was married to Patsy Paugh, former Miss West Virginia.

Heymom

 

The Chairman

From Common Dreams:
"But Foley didn't trust Florida Republican voters to accept him for who he was, so this otherwise personable and capable congressman engaged in an increasingly challenging and ultimately unsuccessful attempt to hide a huge part of his identity.

The pressures imposed by such secrecy appear to have been too much for Foley. Details that have surfaced in recent day suggests that he had made a mess of his life – a mess that exploded on Foley and his party when it was revealed that the co-chair of the Congressional Caucus for Missing & Exploited Children had sent "Do I make you a little horny?" e-mails to teenage boys.

Where is the kind of outrage that the religious right displayed over Bill's BJ?

The very idea that this jerk can be co-chair of the Congressional Caucus for Missing & Exploited Children speaks volume about how our society fails in attempts to protect children. John and Patsy were represented by Haddon and Morgan; JonBenet was represented by porno watcher Alex Hunter. Is it any wonder she has never received justice?

 

Did you mean to post this on the Politics forum?

Heymom

 

no

 

Right on the spot! Short, concise and real

 

That post belongs here, a clear example of what representation can do for you.

Yeah, sure, everyone is entitled to it (representation) but the quality is not all that defined and most get as good as a representation as they can afford.

Thus many are under represented in real life, especially children.