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    Quote Originally Posted by Little
    Who knows if this particular family is innocent or not. IMO, when reporters start to draw comparisons it might be wise to comment that LE has an obligation and a duty to the victim to start with those known to be around the victim and work outward from there. I don't get the wide eyed amazement that this is what the BPD tried to do. It's what they needed to do and were prevented from completing. That's the only oddity about the Ramsey case.

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    Yes indeedy. You made it sound so logical and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Me
    Where RiverRat? There's like a billion posts on the thread.
    Try looking at the last couple of pages.

    That thread is now locked. I am in trouble for posting the articles in their entire length, so I don't know what is going to happen to that thread since I do not have the ability to edit my posts there - although somebody else that apparently can. The links will only take you to a Page Not Found page, so I am glad that I did save what I could, but it looks like my membership at WBS is at stake - again.
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    "We would prefer to be angry with the murderer(s), however the police have not given us the oppurtunity to know who was involved. therefore we are angry with them. I believe it is called displaced anger. The North Port police have a very poor record when it comes to solving murder 3/8 in the history of the town (50 yrs or so I believe). Someone can find and post the link to the article that researched the statistic.

    and please my name is Ellen or Ellen-Beth, NOT BETH. Beth Fullwood is my sister in law.

    Also since I have never spoken with you all prior how can you deign to decide that we are not grieving enough for you? We do not belong to the Jerry Springer school. Our pain in private. Hiding in ladies room stall to cry silently because the buffet had buttered mushrooms (her favorite). [one example only of a several time a day occurance].
    Ellen"
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Thanks River.

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    Gosh, Rat. I thought you had CONNECTIONS at WS. No?

    If WS doesn't realize they have one of the all time forum treasures in you, then that forum has gone further downhill than it did when I quit.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase
    Gosh, Rat. I thought you had CONNECTIONS at WS. No?

    If WS doesn't realize they have one of the all time forum treasures in you, then that forum has gone further downhill than it did when I quit.
    I have not had any problems there other than with this Jeana/moderator. She has had it out for me forever and I have no clue who she even is! Or what I have done to rattle her cage other than have a different opinion than hers, but her true colors reveal that she is not needed in my system of support.

    I woke up to this mess this morning. The CoralRose thread ran for months without the first peep from a moderator, but now when I posted the article referenced in this thread where the question is asked Are the Fullwoods North Ports Ramseys, Jeana sent me a PM stating that she will not let me take over another forum with my Ramsey Point of View.......keep in mind now that the entire world can witness the fact that I did not make one comment with my personal opinion, only supplied the local reports as I had been doing.

    Jeana told me to go back and edit my posts and just leave snippets of the articles or receive a ten day time out - knowing that I could not go back and edit the posts - but she sure can - and did - and she added her personal opinion into my post! I then posted snippets from the article in the JBR forum because Jeana insists that the Ramseys are off topic in the True Crime and CoralRose thread. That was the end of the WBS road for me.

    Sorry I had to to do this here but since I can't defend myself there, I had no choice but to reveal what is really going on at that place with that particular moderator. I love WBS and I love Tricia, but I feel like I have wasted a lot of time......and I don't have a lot of time left to waste as it is. I have already had to consider letting RR ride away into the Sunset with things the way they are in my life now, but after all the good I have done, I will be dammed if some Ramsey Loving Wench is going to ruin my exit.

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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    That's always been the problem at WS. For some reason, no matter who has owned the forum since I've been around, the RST is allowed to bully those who don't buy their BS around until we leave or they get us censored and/or banned.

    Now you know why I quit.

    I understand also how it's hard to keep on keeping on in this case, after so many years, but don't disappear, RR. Drop in when you can and don't worry about when you can't. WE NEED OUR GUTTAH RAT!

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Knowing this place is in good hands makes it a little easier.
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase
    That's always been the problem at WS. For some reason, no matter who has owned the forum since I've been around, the RST is allowed to bully those who don't buy their BS around until we leave or they get us censored and/or banned.

    Now you know why I quit.

    I understand also how it's hard to keep on keeping on in this case, after so many years, but don't disappear, RR. Drop in when you can and don't worry about when you can't. WE NEED OUR GUTTAH RAT!
    I don't think that's true. If you look at the banned list, there's a mix of RST and RDI. If you think the RST are taking over WS, you should take a look at Crimelibrary (which used to be Court TV). I have never seen such vicious name-calling and unpleasantness in a forum as there is there. There is a little hard-core RST tag team who seem to be trying to run everyone else off the forum. I have observed discussions there and it's just blatant flaming. Tipper is in the midst of it all sweetly and "innocently" stirring things up. She should hang her head in shame.
    This is my opinion and it may not be copied in whole or in part without my written permission

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    Hey - jameson........a former owner needs some learning....

    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID77/58.html

    BTW - local news is reporting that in addition to the child rape porn found on the father's computer, there is also gay and teenager pornography as well, so cleaning up the filth in the family home was the last thing this dirty freak had time for in between his shifts at the bar. Oh, there were also something like ten computers in the home too for what that's worth.

    How the mother was not aware of her husband's perversions is hard to understand but I suppose it happens. You would think that since she is the one in the most intimate relationship with her husband, something would have slipped out of his mouth after all these years.

    The one thing I do understand.........I can see why jameson might seek out this new case, it's just calling hir name.
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    The one thing I do understand.........I can see why jameson might seek out this new case, it's just calling hir name.
    Just her style!
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    FORT MYERS -- Wearing black patent leather Mary Janes and a pink skirt, September Fullwood, 9, sang a song in memory of her little sister Coralrose Fullwood.

    Her voice barely audible over the strum of a guitar, September sang to a crowd that included her mother and father. But Dale and Ellen-Beth Fullwood did not stand together.

    In the aftermath of their daughter's rape and murder and Dale's arrest on pornography charges, their marriage has become fractured. They are rarely seen together.

    Nearly five months after the first-grader's death, no on has been charged.

    Sunday was a day for family and friends to gather and remember Coralrose as a tree was planted in her honor at the temple where she once attended religious school.

    "This is a positive thing. There has been so much negativity," said their maternal grandfather, Saul VanderWoude. "It's good to have something positive."

    As the family began to shovel earth over the roots of the pink orchid tree, the surviving Fullwood children seemed happy.

    On his knees, Dale Fullwood pushed the dirt forward with his hands, and his children followed. Then they threw the dirt with their father.

    "Just like Coralrose would do," Dale Fullwood said.

    Ellen-Beth Fullwood turned to the sound of their giggles and squeals.

    "I don't think it's appropriate," she said.

    A family friend asked Dale Fullwood to stop. He rose to his feet and brushed off his hands.

    "I just wish she was here throwing the dirt with us," he said.

    After the ceremony, a smaller group gathered at the home Ellen-Beth Fullwood is renting in Fort Myers. Her husband was not invited.

    Ellen-Beth Fullwood would not talk about her husband, the murder investigation or the upcoming trial where a judge will decide whether she or her husband should regain custody of their four youngest children.

    Instead, she said she is "functioning, barely" and said that life "will never be easy" without Coralrose.

    But, the tree dedication was comforting, she said, especially because Coralrose's classmates came up with the idea.

    "I think she would have loved it," Ellen-Beth Fullwood said.

    Coralrose's siblings are left to deal with what has happened to their family.

    The children's grandmother, Doreen VanderWoude, said it has been hardest on Coralrose's sisters September and Aleena, who were supposed to have a "sleepover" the night the little girl was likely killed. But, Coralrose misbehaved and was not allowed to sleep with her sisters.

    "They blame themselves," VanderWoude said.

    And her 4-year-old grandson doesn't understand his sister is gone. "Emerson asked me two weeks ago if I could bring Coralrose home," VanderWoude said.

    Photos of Ellen-Beth Fullwood's seven children are on display in her living room. Running her fingers through Emerson's hair, she told the little boy about each photo and when it was taken. When she came to a photo of Coralrose, the 4-year-old seemed to read everyone's mind.

    "I miss Coralrose," he said.

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...NEWS/702050495
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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."



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