Michael Tracey owes Jayelles an apology

Great job Tricia and Jayelle

Man the Ramsey supporters sure are big fat liars. Tracy teaches Journalism? Whatthephuckever.

 

The real thanks should go to poster ENOLA at WS who made and sent the scans to me at my request.

As I said at WS, Tracey got caught shooting his mouth off before checking his facts. What a recommendation for his "documentaries."

 

Yeah well, as you can guess ... "that don't impressah me much."

The Unabomber was also a university professor.

Unfortunately, having an advanced degree does not always equal having intelligence, good judgment, integrity, logic and morals.

Our universities are full of people who are more full of themselves than they are of knowledge and insight.

 

Big Deal

I don't really care what his "qualifications" are--getting a Journalism degree no more makes you honest or moral than having a degree in anything else does. The number one ETHICAL standard for journalists is to report honestly and accurately--doing the best you can to leave your own biases out of it. Michael Tracy comes from the Michael Moore school of journalism--push a viewpoint shamelessly and whatever you feel like writing to back that view up is fair game, lies or no lies.

Even if Tracy believes the media as a whole has been unfair to the Ramseys, it isn't his job to be twice as biased in the other direction. He can put out all the Ramsey propaganda he wants but trust me, nobody cares.

 

I've never understood what possessed Tracey to become an advocate for the Ramseys in the first place. I understand that people can have differing opinions, but what made him take up the cause for Ramsey innocence to the extent he has done so? He makes no freaking sense, and he has done his career no good by interfering in the JBR case the way he has. Is this what the U of C would consider scholarly research? I've not seen anything quite like this, and we have an excellent journalism department which has produced some of the finest journalists out there today where I work. None of them has ever interjected themselves into a murder case, creating crockumentaries in advocacy for murder suspects in an unsolved murder case - they might report on these cases, but to become an advocate?

Every university has its share or weird professors; believe me, I know that for a fact. This goes beyond weird, though. Tracey is as crazy as Smit. I stay away from crazy people.

 

I think

I think he saw an opportunity to get a tiny amount of fame while sanctimoniously placing himself above other journalists. I think it's as simple as that. The guy is a pompous windbag who wags his finger at the media from the saftey of his little college office. now, if Tracy were actually working for a living on say CNN, how would he have reported this story differently? Would he have ignored the fake note and all the other evidence that pointed straight at Patsy Ramsey? Ignore their lack of cooperation with authorities? The press hasn't done a damn thing wrong but of course someone in Tracy's little Ivory Tower certainly can stand in judgement, right?

 

Tracy's 1998 documentary

John Ramsey likes the BBC as he is quoted in the June 1998 interviews when asked about the Tracy 1998 documentary:

"interest from the
11 BBC in airing it, which appealed to me, because
12 that to me is one of the most legitimate news
13 organizations in the world. It was in Britain,
14 so it wasn't like the wolf watching the hen's
15 house. It was made by somebody that was looking
16 at the United States from afar, from a much more
17 civilized society or a more mature society. "

And here is another quote also from the June 1998 interviews where John Ramsey says that NBC is a tabloid and a problem, Fox NBC:

20 JOHN RAMSEY: ABC was
21 acceptable to us, NBC was absolutely not
22 acceptable. NBC is a tabloid and they are a
23 problem. They are the, Fox NBC are very
24 tabloidy.

And what would John Ramsey have said if Tracy had told him that the documentary was being produced by NBC?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: We just said don't
6 come to us telling us NBC is going to do it.
7 Over our dead body will that happen.

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From June 1998 transcript - Interview of John Ramsey

John Ramsey interviewed talking about the 1998 documenterary and media and how he didn't want NBC to air the doc. John Ramsey doesn't like NBC or FOX.

0619
4 MIKE KANE: What about this BBC
5 production, do you remember anything about that?
6 Is that going to be airing soon?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know --
8 MIKE KANE: I heard something today
9 as a matter of fact on the radio, that the 29th
10 of this month?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: One of the
12 biggest shocks to us, when you get in -- when
13 something like this happens, the best you can do
14 is to try to make something good come out of it.
15 You know, what -- it can't just be the
16 senseless loss that you say oh, well, and move
17 on. Something substantially good has got to
18 come out of this.
19 One of the real cancers, I believe,
20 in our society, is our media system, and I
21 didn't really -- wasn't really particularly
22 strong on this until we got into it, and saw how
23 it operates, how inaccurate it is, how biased it
24 is, and what a rush to judgment it is, and what
25 an entertainment industry it is. I think it's a
0620
1 horrible cancer for us as a society. And we
2 have no legitimate information system in this
3 country today, that I know of. Certainly none
4 that addresses a wide body of population. It's
5 an entertainment industry. We became
6 entertainment. To feed their profit coffers.
7 And so one of the things I wanted
8 to adamantly speak out about eventually was what
9 a mess it is for us as a society, and I had
10 envisioned, you know, writing books, going on
11 television, sponsoring legislation. I didn't
12 know, that was just one of the causes that I
13 wanted to take up to try to make something good
14 come out of this and Michael Tracy, who is a
15 professor at CU had written a wonderful article
16 I thought last summer that I read in the Boulder
17 Camera that was as accurate an assessment of the
18 media as I have ever read. You know, I couldn't
19 agree with him more, I couldn't have written it
20 as eloquently as he did, but it said exactly
21 what I felt.
22 And one way or the other we talked
23 to him, and he said we would like to -- your
24 story, what has happened to you, documents in
25 real life a message that we have been trying to
0621
1 get out for years. But you can't just go on
2 television and talk theoretical about you know
3 the media's really messed up and people turned
4 off and switch to Geraldo Rivera or something.
5 So it's going to be wrapped around
6 a national event that people are interested in.
7 He said this was handed to us on a silver
8 platter, the message that we want to get out.
9 And we saw it and he said we thought that
10 through acquaintances, you get interest from the
11 BBC in airing it, which appealed to me, because
12 that to me is one of the most legitimate news
13 organizations in the world. It was in Britain,
14 so it wasn't like the wolf watching the hen's
15 house. It was made by somebody that was looking
16 at the United States from afar, from a much more
17 civilized society or a more mature society.
18 And so that appealed to me. And it
19 looked like the best opportunity we would have
20 to address that topic. Much better than us
21 trying to go around and individually talk about
22 it. It was a one shot deal to address a real
23 tragedy in our media system. And so that's why
24 we wanted to do it. We said this is important
25 to us, Patsy and I. Obviously these guys
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1 weren't crazy about it. One of the reasons I
2 guess they wouldn't be. But we said no, this is
3 -- this is one of the things we want to do. And
4 this is the best vehicle that's going to be
5 there to do it. And so that's the reason we
6 participated in that.
7 MIKE KANE: There was a, the only
8 thing that I have read as far as stipulations
9 go, and this may not (INAUDIBLE) but as the case
10 was that the agreement was a no holds barred
11 with the exception that it wouldn't be aired
12 until after any Grand Jury. Is that true?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I didn't make
14 the, that agreement.
15 MIKE KANE: Okay, I don't -- if
16 anything's not made.
17 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS).
18 JOHN RAMSEY: The only thing that
19 I think we had, we had the right to say don't
20 run it.
21 MIKE KANE: Okay.
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Right now. We did
23 have, we had no right to the content. I have
24 never seen one inch of video from that. I mean
25 it could come out great, it could be a disaster,
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1 I don't know. I think I have confidence in the
2 people who put it together. I think the message
3 they are trying to get out is exactly the
4 message that we felt, but our entertainment
5 media system is horribly, horribly messed up in
6 this country. And we got to fix it as a society
7 or we are in big trouble, long-term.
8 MIKE KANE: So you don't know
9 anything about when it's airing or?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: (Shaking head).
11 I had heard July, I don't know if that was in
12 Britain or here but.
13 MIKE KANE: I just heard that on
14 the radio this morning. Anything about the 29th
15 ABC is --
16 JOHN RAMSEY: ABC, they were
17 talking to ABC about running it.
18 MIKE KANE: What do you think of
19 that?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: ABC was
21 acceptable to us, NBC was absolutely not
22 acceptable. NBC is a tabloid and they are a
23 problem. They are the, Fox NBC are very
24 tabloidy. ABC is, has, in our impression, after
25 you know throughout this, is they have been the
0624
1 most credible of anybody in terms of ethics and
2 standards and so that made a lot of sense.
3 MIKE KANE: Did you have input into
4 that or --
5 JOHN RAMSEY: We just said don't
6 come to us telling us NBC is going to do it.
7 Over our dead body will that happen.
8 MIKE KANE: Okay?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: They also said look
10 what's important is we get it so it is on the
11 widest -- I wanted it to be on PBS, that was my
12 thought. Which is public broadcasting, that's
13 the whole -- that's the hope for our
14 information system as best I can tell. They
15 said well, it's yeah, that fits but it's not the
16 audience, you're going to get 10 percent of the
17 audience that you get with a message on a major
18 network. So what they said the objective should
19 be is where do we get the largest audience, and
20 it absolutely has to be run uncut. I said okay.
21 But I still don't like NBC.
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John Ramsey and the BBC

None of the Ramsey documentaries were aired on the BBC.

The first one aired on Channel 4. The second on ITV and the third will also be ITV.

 

LOL, Jayelles!

I should think the BBC would want to keep its distance from John Ramsey. It does have a reputation to uphold, after all.

I wonder if Larry King and the other media hacks who gave John Ramsey face time ever read his remarks in the depo above?

We should send his opinions of ABC and NBC to Katie Couric, Larry King, etc.

One of the real cancers, I believe,
in our society, is our media system, and I
didn't really -- wasn't really particularly
strong on this until we got into it, and saw how
it operates, how inaccurate it is, how biased it
is, and what a rush to judgment it is, and what
an entertainment industry it is. I think it's a
horrible cancer for us as a society. And we
have no legitimate information system in this
country today, that I know of. Certainly none
that addresses a wide body of population. It's
an entertainment industry. We became
entertainment. To feed their profit coffers.

 

OJ Simpson

I heard OJ Simpson give a very similar statement the other evening to Greta Van Susteren.

Ramsey and Simpson have much more in common than being bad golfers.

 

TV Guide Reviewers

I just got an e-mail from one of the reporters who has written an article about the documentary confirming that she HAS seen the documentary. I had wondered if they got to preview the programme or if they wrote a synopsis based upon some blurb provided by the producers.

 

Lurker I noticed the exact same thing. OJ and John Ramsey give the same tried speech. I wonder if they have the same speech-writer?

 

Oldie but goodie.....

 

Oh, yeah, cause TRACEY IS SUCH AN ICON OF HIGH STANDARDS IN JOURNALISTIC TRUTH....

And John would know that because...Tracey lies FOR THEM?

And does anyone remember that the ABC PIECE, with Erin Moriority, CUT AND EDITED HER INTO THE TRACEY CROC? And that the original croc shown in Europe WAS CUT TO PIECES BEFORE IT WAS SHOWN HERE AFTER TRICIA FOUND GIGAX AND INFORMED HIM?

Maybe I'm misremembering...so many crocs full of Ramsey propaganda, so little time....

 

I wrote a summary of the above article BEFORE I saw the documentary and what I reported was perfectly accurate. I reported that it looked as though Lou Smit was in it again and that they were linking JonBenet's murder to another little girl's murder.

jameson sent Tracey a copy of my post and he replied (copied EXACTLY from jameson's):-

Point 1 - he says "WHOSE [sic] THE OTHER GIRL?"

The other girl was little Allie Berrelez. The documentary told us that one compelling piece of evidence was the fact that a news report about Allie's murder was found in the middle of video tape found in Helgoth's house and that MURDERERS often record news items of THEIR CRIMES in the middle of other often innocuous videos.

Point 2 - As you can see from the scanned article at the start of this thread, there is a photo and quote from Lou Smit in the middle of the programme review. It was a perfectly natural conclusion for me to draw that Smit was part of the programme.

Point 3 - It seems that it wasn't me who was getting things wrong. Michael Tracey can do that MUCH more spectacularly than me!

Point 4 - Is he insinuating that I made the summary up? Like I would do that! Also, the comment about TV Stations... that is just completely ridiculous. Tracey is a Brit, but I think he has been away from the UK far too long. We have 5 terrestrial TV channels and we call them TV Stations/channels interchangeably - look it up on Wilkipedia Mr Tracey!


oooOOOooo

Over the past week or so I have reflected on the part I played in tracking down John Gigax and exposing the Tracey III for the shambles it was. I have been asked if I would have done things differently if Tracey hadn't been so insulting in his comments to jameson about me?

The answer is - I don't know, but possibly I would have. I sat on what I had found for days, pondering what to do. I had no ill-regard for Michael Tracey in the past and I was looking forward to this documentary. However, his comments in that e-mail to jameson really took me aback. In fact - he really p*ssed me off! It would be true to say that I felt no inclination to make contact with him.

So, yes, the chances are that if he hadn't been so completely obnoxious about me in his e-mail to jameson, I might well have discreetly e-mailed TRACEY and told him that Mr X was track-downable from the documentation on screen instead of sharing it with Why_Nut and Tricia. However, he had made his contempt for me VERY clear.

I do know that I would never personally have tried to contact Gigax. Had Tracey not p*ssed me off, I might have simply told him that I thought I'd found Gigax on the Internet and then they could have brushed the whole embarrassing incident under the carpet and nobody would have been any the wiser! LOL

 

Jay,


For what it's worth. I'm Glad Professor Tracey p-i-s-s-e-d you off! Just look at the ending!