911 call to be aired 7/8

(sorry for the typos, typing fast here - my movie is starting!! well... as I was going to say - I suggest some forums get together... do a presentation on Today Show or whatever - and present the OTHER side!! You guys here could do this!! tricia, RiverRate, Ginja, BobC.... Watching you.... ?? no???

 

They didn't play the part

It was only the clip of the three voices that was played before somewhere. And that part was omitted on tonights show.

What struck me as the hardest to believe was the lack of background noise while Patsy is talking. Not a peep from the man in his underwear on the floor reading the ransom note right next to her.

And who is Kath that the dispatcher asked about?

Patsy is stage four again and taking chemo according to Lin but her health is good..........

Random Late Night Musings from one of the few left that won't decline the opportunity to respond-
RR

 

Re: Not calling anyone a liar...

The protective order was removed, so it's probably public domain by now.

Thing is, Woodie will probably chop it off at the end. He's not above that.

 

Well, as a matter of fact

a poster on another forum has pointed out a major descrepancy between the transcript of the tape and the tape played on the TODAY. There is a possibility the transcript is in error; nonetheless, the descrepancy appears in a critical part of the tape.

At the very end of the tape the 911 operator says "Patsy" several times. In the transcript she says Patsy FIVE times, but on the tape she says Patsy FOUR times before the tape cuts off. IOW, part of the end of the tape is missing. Coinkydink or something more sinister?

 

LOL Rat about the man in his underwear comment! HA!

OK, I am still trying to calm down from my rage over yesterdays Limp Wood Show, but after all his comments about the lying BPD, will someone explain to me when the spineless BPD will fight back against this ? They no longer have the case, Antichrist #2 Keenan does. Why don't they ever just get off their butts & fight back? Does Limp have that much power as a civil attorney? Help me to understand this. In all the news articles I've read online today about this latest circus sideshow, it's "Mark Beckner had no comment" or something close to that.

 

It's completely stupid

To listen to that tape and come to any conclusions. To call it the smoking gun is just absurd. Or to say the BPD lied about it.

I thought Patsy sounded out of breath, stressed and upset. You can take that anyway you want: Her daughter really was kidnapped or she was going into Act I with the real emotions of "Oh my God, my daughter is dead and I killed her but can't tell."

I read somewhere that when you send any evidence to the FBI to be tested, that is the end of the testing road. You cannot send it anywhere else, their word on it is final.
If that is true, then the BPD wouldn't be able to use the enhanced tape in court anyway.

Anyone know if this is true?

Hey, I think Patsy did it. So sue me.

 

I honestly can't tell

anything by that tape. I listened to it two or three times. When I am in traumatic situations, I tend to get out of breath like that when I try to talk, although I remain in control, so I can't determine anything by Patsy's out of breath sound. I don't know why she hung up the phone when she did and I wonder why John's voice can't be heard. Okay, so he didn't talk, but whenever I've had to call in an emergency call to 911, (maybe once or twice) I've had three kids and a husband in the background telling me what to say, LOL.

I don't think we can really tell a lot by 911 calls. I listened to Brenda van Dam's 911 call and marveled at how composed she seemed - upset, but composed. I did think Patsy seemed a little, let's say, testy when the 911 operator asked her a question and Patsy replied, "What?" in what seemed to me a snotty tone, as in, why are you asking me such a question?

I have few further observations about whether Patsy sounds real or not. I thought she sounded phoney in the whiney self-serving interviews they did on TV. She really sounded different to me on the tape, not even like the voice I heard on TV, but that may have been the quality of the recording I heard. Without having a lot of other samples of the way she sounds when she talks normally, it's hard for me to judge if she's acting on the tape or not. That in no way means the tape exhonerates Patsy in any way. It means I can't tell by the tape I heard.

 

Niner

Great idea for having the forum go on tv and present the other side! Now, we would just have sedate Wood for that one! LOL

 

It's astounding how gullible some people truly are. We are talking about an audio tape here. It can be edited at any point that the person generating the tape wants to do so. It's been done before and will be done time and time again. Until the original tape is aired in full and that fact is certified I opt to withhold my opinion on the contents of the 911 tape other than to say I find it curious how quiet it is in the background of the tape. I listened to the tape several times and you can hear Patsy, the dispatcher and the dispatcher's typing but little if anything else. I couldn't even pick up static from the radios, which I found highly unusual - one would expect officers to be checking in, other calls being taken, other dispatchers chatting if just to stay awake after all it's almost 6 a.m., shift change noises possibly (anyone know Boulder's shift schedule in 1996?) or something else going on in the background. Either there were no other calls coming in at the same time and Boulder had their staff trained very well or their dispatchers sit in separate areas rather than in a group environment where they can see and hear each other like many dispatch areas are set up. I have worked 911 dispatch. I have reviewed calls and tapes. That tape should have other background noises on it. I can sum it up in three words - It's too clean. JMH&CPO.

 

Wood's Edited Copy

I think someone asked who was lying, Keenan or Wood, in regards to getting the 911 tape.

I think what happened is before Wood was on the scene, actually, it was around the time of the grand jury investigation, it was expected Burke would go before the gj. His attorney went to court to get copies of the police records on Burke, including the 911 tape. The judge listened to the police tape, determined Burke's voice was on it, and ordered the BPD to release a copy to Burke's attorney.

I think it was Burke's attorney (defense attorney) who passed it on to the DA's office. Later, when Lin Wood entered the scene, he either got a copy himself or got the copy Burke's attorney had.

I doubt the judge would have ordered the police to hand over a copy of the tape to Burke's attorney if Burke's voice wasn't on that tape.

But as far as Wood tampering with evidence, he certainly pulled it off once again as it's been noted what played on NBC differs from the transcripts (e.g., dispatcher calling Patsy 5 x in transcripts, but only 4x on Wood's copy).

 

Aeospace's Diligence

The following is information that was pulled together from various police reports and digested into one report in 1998:

While re-listening to the recording of the 911 call made by Patsy in the early morning of December 26, detectives thought they could hear a conversation in the background while Patsy was attempting to hang up the phone. On April 21, Det. Melissa Hickman flew to Los Angeles to meet with M*****and J*******, engineers at Aerospace Corporation, for purposes of enhancing the recording of the 911 call received at the Boulder Regional Dispatch Center.

At her first meeting with the two engineers, Hickman was told that it appeared that the cassette had been recorded in a Dictaphone format which would require a special recorder to recopy. Hickman drove to the nearest Dictaphone company which was located in the San Fernando Valley. A Dictaphone technician examined the tape and told Hickman that the information was not recorded in Dictaphone format. Hickman, feeling the frustration of the proverbial goose chase, returned to her hotel.

That evening, J***** called her at the hotel and asked her to return to Aerospace. J***** had decided that the tape probably had been recorded on a regular format which could be copied digitally by their computer. A hard drive disk was made of the tape, and this disk was copied to a JAZ drive, a large disk with more memory than a standard floppy disk.

On the morning of April 22, Hickman met again with J**** in his office at Aerospace. Hickman and J**** went to a small lab to work with the disk to try to filter out extraneous noise and enhance the voices in the background. J**** made several variations using different noise reduction settings, and those recordings were then copied onto the JAZ drive. They returned to J****'s office where they were able to further enhance the disk. With this latest enhancement, they were able to hear two voices on the tape -- one of which sounded like a juvenile male, and the second one appeared to be Patsy. The first words seemed to belong to the juvenile, and then Patsy is heard to say, "Help me Jesus, help me Jesus." The voice again appeared to be the juvenile male saying, "Please, what do I do?" Hickman and J**** agreed to meet again in the morning to continue enhancing the tape.

When Hickman returned to Aerospacce the next morning to meet with J****, he said that he had continued listening to the disk after Hickman had left for the evening. He and another engineer had played the original version of the 911 call that had been transferred to the JAZ drive and found that to be the clearest recording. Both engineers had heard three distinct voices on the tape and wrote down what they thought was being said. The tape was then played for Hickman. After listening to the tape three or four times, Hickman heard John Ramsey say "We're not speaking to you," in what sounded like a very angry voice. Patsy then says, "Help me Jesus, help me Jesus," and finally Burke is clearly heard to say, "Well, what did you find?", with an emphasis on the word "did". After Hickman told the engineers her impression of the conversation, J**** handed her a piece of notepaper containing the conversation heard by himself and his fellow engineer -- the conversation as written down was exactly as Hickman herself had just heard.

 

What'd I miss, Trish?

I'm lost...what's going on? What 48 Hours show got pulled?

 

I repeat - That tape should have other background noises on it. I can sum it up in three words - It's too clean. JMH&CPO.

 

I think

Tricia means "Dateline".

Since the conversation was said to have happened after Patsy thought she hung up, it doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility to me that the end was truncated and the additional conversation was omitted.

Ayeka

 

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