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Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

koldkase said: ↑

You're just kidding us, aren't you Moab? If golf club makers don't account for the hitting of trees, they must not have spent much time on a golf course!

Good experiment, Learnin. Of course children can do serious damage to skulls in many ways. That's why they have helmets for t-ball. Team Ramsey wet themselves when someone stated that kind of force which caused the skull fracture would have killed a 300 lb. man. They twist it to this day as meaning it had to BE a man who struck the blow. Nonsense.

I think there are a number of possibilities as to what was used as the bludgeon. You have seen Dr. Sptiz's photo and article about his experiment with the Maglight, right? He used a real child's cadaver, if memory serves, though the photo is with a type of wig model thingie. (Photo below.)

Also, there were two bats found outside in the yard, and one was a metal softball bat, which I think belonged to Patsy. It certainly could have. There's a good photo around here somewhere of Patsy's women's softball team, though she's not in the photo. FFJ member Cookie here is the former Ramsey friend Judith Phillips and provided the photo and her story of the team and Patsy: "Mothers Gone Bad" was the team name, I think. The metal bat was outside, obviously tossed there at some point. Patsy made much about not recognizing it, but I think she was lying. I hope LE asked someone on her softball team or close friends if they'd ever seen the bat before. Surely they did...right? Because that metal bat was found on concrete and might have been the "scraping noise" the neighbor reported, IMO. LE should have cleared that up...right? (Photo below.)

And I bring all that up because the comminuted fracture, the displaced bone, also fits the handle lip of a bat where you hold it, it appears to me. (There's a name for that, and I wrote about it somewhere around here...sigh...so little memory left.) The thing is, anytime the Ramseys denied knowlege of the simplest things found in their home or yard, I pay attention. Like "finding" the ransom note on the spiral stairs and jumping over it. Like "reading" the ransom note on the floor. Like not recognizing the pineapple and bowl and spoon, not Patsy's "setup". Like the Santa Bear on the bed JB won days before her murder. Like the Bloomies Patsy said JonBenet put on herself, and the package they withheld from LE for years. Like the Maglite and paintbrush, which Patsy could NOT say were theirs, as if the intruder brought in matching items somehow and used and left them. And like the softball bat, which Patsy seems to have no idea existed though she played on a team.

Why would they lie about it if it doesn't mean anything? But lie they did, sending LE on one wild goose chase after a thousand.

So the bats, the Maglight, the golf clubs...of which there were many. I know y'all have seen this photo (below), but I'll post it for easy reference, because I have always thought the "warmers" or whatever they're called on the ends of the clubs could have made the cushioning that kept the scalp from breaking:
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Thanks, KK. I read that Dr. Spitz performed an experiment but I've never read about it in detail. I agree with Dr. Spitz about the maglight...I've made several impressions in mud and it would fit if struck just right. I also agree with you about the lip on the handle of a baseball bat. Again, that makes an impression of about the same size.

Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

koldkase said: ↑

You're just kidding us, aren't you Moab? If golf club makers don't account for the hitting of trees, they must not have spent much time on a golf course!

Good experiment, Learnin. Of course children can do serious damage to skulls in many ways. That's why they have helmets for t-ball. Team Ramsey wet themselves when someone stated that kind of force which caused the skull fracture would have killed a 300 lb. man. They twist it to this day as meaning it had to BE a man who struck the blow. Nonsense.

I think there are a number of possibilities as to what was used as the bludgeon. You have seen Dr. Sptiz's photo and article about his experiment with the Maglight, right? He used a real child's cadaver, if memory serves, though the photo is with a type of wig model thingie. (Photo below.)

Also, there were two bats found outside in the yard, and one was a metal softball bat, which I think belonged to Patsy. It certainly could have. There's a good photo around here somewhere of Patsy's women's softball team, though she's not in the photo. FFJ member Cookie here is the former Ramsey friend Judith Phillips and provided the photo and her story of the team and Patsy: "Mothers Gone Bad" was the team name, I think. The metal bat was outside, obviously tossed there at some point. Patsy made much about not recognizing it, but I think she was lying. I hope LE asked someone on her softball team or close friends if they'd ever seen the bat before. Surely they did...right? Because that metal bat was found on concrete and might have been the "scraping noise" the neighbor reported, IMO. LE should have cleared that up...right? (Photo below.)

And I bring all that up because the comminuted fracture, the displaced bone, also fits the handle lip of a bat where you hold it, it appears to me. (There's a name for that, and I wrote about it somewhere around here...sigh...so little memory left.) The thing is, anytime the Ramseys denied knowlege of the simplest things found in their home or yard, I pay attention. Like "finding" the ransom note on the spiral stairs and jumping over it. Like "reading" the ransom note on the floor. Like not recognizing the pineapple and bowl and spoon, not Patsy's "setup". Like the Santa Bear on the bed JB won days before her murder. Like the Bloomies Patsy said JonBenet put on herself, and the package they withheld from LE for years. Like the Maglite and paintbrush, which Patsy could NOT say were theirs, as if the intruder brought in matching items somehow and used and left them. And like the softball bat, which Patsy seems to have no idea existed though she played on a team.

Why would they lie about it if it doesn't mean anything? But lie they did, sending LE on one wild goose chase after a thousand.

So the bats, the Maglight, the golf clubs...of which there were many. I know y'all have seen this photo (below), but I'll post it for easy reference, because I have always thought the "warmers" or whatever they're called on the ends of the clubs could have made the cushioning that kept the scalp from breaking:
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Question, kk. This is probably stupid and you would think I'd know this by now. The basement window with the grate; is that located at the back or side of the house?

Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

koldkase said: ↑

Here is the thread with Cookie's photo and description of the team and Patsy's part in it. Remember that Patsy is not in the photo, though. She wasn't there that day.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6429&page=4

If you go back a page on that thread, Judith tells who is whom in the photo. (It's a smaller photo on that page, so I put the url of the better photo.)
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thanks for bringing that thread and picture to my attention....

Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

Moab said: ↑

I think that is a wise move learnin...don't destroy your son-in-laws golf clubs!!! When I originally was thinking golf clubs I was thinking of the smaller woods...not the driver...I guess I was just thinking that the skull fracture could have been caused by the wood portion of the club coming in contact with the skull, not the face of the club (maybe you were not thinking face either), and I know some of my woods are the same size if not smaller than my irons...I really think you are on the right track though!
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As you can see, I don't know much about golf.....now, basketball...that's a different matter...

Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

Cherokee said: ↑

It is interesting to note that John Ramsey was very concerned about retrieving his golf bag immediately after JonBenet's death.

From p. 53 of JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation by Steve Thomas:

Patsy awoke while he was gone and staggered from the bedroom to the couch, barely able to speak, and told her sisters she needed some things from Fifteenth Street. John was over heard to ask someone quietly, â€œDid you get my golf bag?â€ When I learned of that statement, it seemed totally out of order. There had been two golf bags in the house, but he had not specified which one he wanted. Neither bag was collected by police. Moreover, it was winter in Colorado, Michigan and Georgia, not exactly optimal golfing conditions. Why would a man whose daughter had just been murdered be wanting his golf clubs anyway? I wondered what else might have been in the bag that was so important that Ramsey would even think to ask about it.
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Indeed, it is interesting!

Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

Elle_1 said: ↑

Learnin,

It's good you tried this experiment. It seems Burke Ramsey thought nothing of hitting his young sister in the face with a golf club. It happened in 1994, and golf clubs were in the basement at Christmas time, 1996.
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I agree. I'm not sure as to what caused that skull depression but I've always leaned toward a golf club because, as you mentioned, Burke had already done some damage with a golf club.

Learnin · Sep 28, 2009

Cherokee said: ↑

They couldn't get a US publisher because of Lin Wood's threats to sue ANYONE who printed an opinion and/or evidence the Ramseys were guilty. Lin Wood's past lawsuits (on behalf of the Ramseys) make publishers understandably gun shy about printing ANYTHING not favorable to the Ramseys.

Cina Wong mentioned in her radio interview that Lin Wood sent her a threatening email demanding that she never divulge what she knew about the case, or he would sue her with a vengeance.

Wendy Murphy was also threatened verbally with a lawsuit by Lin Wood over the phone unless she would quit stating her opinions regarding the Ramseys guilt. Being an attorney, and former prosecutor, Wendy could afford to tell Lin off, and tell about his threat.

There is a pattern of bullying on the part of the Ramseys to keep people from telling what they know about the case.
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Isn't it amazing what kind of protection money can buy? Jack Squat would have been hanging from an oak tree by now....

Elle · Sep 28, 2009

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Oh my goodness! Thank you, Cherokee. I know it was printed in Japan, and this was discussed. It was KK's post talking about Cookie which brought it all back. What a shame. Lin Wood is really a piece of work, isn't he?
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Cherokee said: ↑

LOL! Yes, he is. You know, it's sad, but that's actually the nicest thing I've ever heard anyone say about Lin Wood. Usually, the adjectives are closer to words for garbage and bodily functions.
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I guess I covered all this with a piece of work, Cherokee.

zoomama · Sep 29, 2009

Elle,

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