ABK - Assistant Baby Killers

I couldn't keep my food down long enough to read DOI; but the info about a mouth swab from Doug Stine is new to me. However, Doug was below the age of criminal culpability, even if his DNA came back positive. However, if it ever came out that he was at the scene, IMO it would make Keenan/Lacy ABK and a host of others subject to prosecution.

 

Iwabk

I would like to open nominations for a special catagory: IWABK Internet Wannabe Assistant Baby Killers

Who is better qualified to be the first nominee than:

Mary Suma IWABK This was a toss up with SueSwamp but Sumac's manipulation of a mentally ill woman in order to slander an innocent family earns her the distinction.

 

Motion Passed!
:gavel:

 

This interview occurred the day before the interview whose excerpt I posted above.

John Ramsey interview, June 23, 1998

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.txt

Snip:

21 LOU SMIT: Now let's talk about Christmas day
22 a little bit more. Now, you were going to be
23 leaving for Charlevoix.
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
25 LOU SMIT: And tell us a little bit about
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1 the arrangements you were making then?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the plan was to leave
3 the morning of the 26th. I had an airplane at the
4 time that was on charter through a charter company
5 run by Mike Archuleta, who is also a friend;
6 became a friend. Mike was going to fly us that
7 morning of the 26th from Jeffco to Minneapolis. We
8 were going to get into Minneapolis before 11 and
9 my older kids were going to arrive from Atlanta.
10 From Atlanta to Minneapolis we were going to pick
11 them up and then go on to Charlevoix.
12 And we did it that way because Charlevoix was a
13 difficult place to get to with airlines. And we
14 were flying from Jeffco to Charlevoix, you fly
15 literally almost fly over Minneapolis. So that
16 would be real easy for us to stop in Minneapolis
17 and pick them up. And they had really inexpensive
18 tickets to get there on the airlines. So that was
19 the plan.
20 They we were going to stay there for I think it
21 was till Friday. I forget what day the 26th was.
22 (INAUDIBLE) but we were going to stay for a couple
23 days and come back to Boulder around Friday. Then
24 I think the next morning on Saturday, we were
25 going to leave for this Big Red Boat trip with
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1 just JonBenet, Burke and Patsy and me. And that
2 was a package deal. We had tickets on TWA and that
3 was all kind of pretty pre-laid out for us.
4 So that was the plan.
~~
Even if only John, Patsy, Burke and JonBenet were going to go on the boat ride, it doesn't mean that someone from Boulder wasn't going to accompany the Rs to Charlevoix. I wonder if investigators looked into this possibility.

 

That supposed trip to Charlevoix never made sense in that context. They were leaving Thursday morning. And John says that they intended to stay in Charlevoix for "a couple days" yet come back Friday, the next day?

In that year, the Big Red Boat had three packages, a three-day, a four-day, and a seven-day. The three-day left on Fridays, returning to Orlando on Monday, the four-day left on Monday returning Friday, the seven-day left on Monday returning the following Monday. How were they supposed to fly to Charlevoix, enjoy a relaxing family holiday get-together, leave the next day, fly back to Boulder, and then leave Boulder in time to get to Orlando, Florida on Friday in time to leave on the cruise? Obviously, with Patsy having gone on the record that they were going to celebrate her birthday on the cruise, and her birthday was on Sunday, the family was not taking the cruise packages which left on Monday, and there were no Saturday-leaving packages for the Big Red Boat.

 

Hey Spade, Do you think anyone other then the obvious John, Patsy and Burke, joined the club on 12/25? Perhaps the wacky quacky doctor or their church friend in the DA's office?

Do you think Lou Smit has an ABK tatoo or is he really just a bumpkin?

Thanks

 

From the '98 interviews:

20 They we were going to stay there for I think it
21 was till Friday. I forget what day the 26th was.
22 (INAUDIBLE) but we were going to stay for a couple
23 days and come back to Boulder around Friday. Then
24 I think the next morning on Saturday, we were
25 going to leave for this Big Red Boat trip with
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1 just JonBenet, Burke and Patsy and me. And that
2 was a package deal. We had tickets on TWA and that
3 was all kind of pretty pre-laid out for us.
4 So that was the plan.

Why_Nut posted:

"That supposed trip to Charlevoix never made sense in that context. They were leaving Thursday morning. And John says that they intended to stay in Charlevoix for "a couple days" yet come back Friday, the next day?

In that year, the Big Red Boat had three packages, a three-day, a four-day, and a seven-day. The three-day left on Fridays, returning to Orlando on Monday, the four-day left on Monday returning Friday, the seven-day left on Monday returning the following Monday. How were they supposed to fly to Charlevoix, enjoy a relaxing family holiday get-together, leave the next day, fly back to Boulder, and then leave Boulder in time to get to Orlando, Florida on Friday in time to leave on the cruise? Obviously, with Patsy having gone on the record that they were going to celebrate her birthday on the cruise, and her birthday was on Sunday, the family was not taking the cruise packages which left on Monday, and there were no Saturday-leaving packages for the Big Red Boat."

You don't suppose that John Ramsey ABK LIED to the investigators do you? IMO Anyone who can find the BIG RED BOAT reservations, from the bankrupt Boulder travel agent or an ex- AG employee that handled travel, will find a clue that is the equal to the phone records.

 

Great catch, Why Nut! John said he couldn't remember what day of the week the 26th was on, so maybe he was guessing the 26th was on a Tuesday. Then leaving for home again on Friday would make sense, - except that, as you pointed out, there were no boat trips on Saturday, and John indicated they'd be leaving for the boat trip the day after they returned home from Charlevoix. Could he have meant they'd be flying out of Boulder the day after, and not that the boat trip itself was the day after?

Maybe they were planning to return to Boulder on Saturday and fly out on TWA Sunday to catch the Monday-Monday 7-day boat trip, which would include their spending Patsy's Sunday birthday on the boat.

I think I'm confused. :help:

 

Lou Smit ABK is all of the above plus a phoney Christian.

 

More on Big Red Boat

20 MIKE KANE: Yesterday in the room we had
21 some confusion about when you were leaving. Well
22 we know it was the 26th that you were leaving for
23 Charlevoix. And we found out, I guess, that was a
24 Thursday, when you were going on the Big Red Boat.
25 Did you have an opportunity to talk about that?
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we talked a little bit
2 about it last night, because I was amazed of how
3 poorly our memory of things like that. Patsy
4 didn't remember it either, but it's easy to figure
5 out, because we lot purchased the tickets through
6 our travel agent and so forth.
7 BRYAN MORGAN: I may be able to shorten
8 that because I know that I have seen the
9 reservations. So I would be glad to send you
10 copies.
11 MIKE KANE: Okay. That would clear that
12 right up. Great. Where did the idea of going on
13 the Big Red Boat, how did that come about?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we actually that was
15 fairly well in advance. We had never been on a
16 cruise. Christmas is a tough time for us because I
17 think we lost Beth in January, and we liked to
18 kind of have things to do and planned.
19 So we thought, that would be fun thing to do, a
20 family thing. And we had never been on a cruise,
21 and going to the Big Red Boat and have fun with
22 the kids. So we just planned it and it was kind of
23 a first. Because I'd never done something like
24 that. And it was planned well in advance and we
25 got a package deal and it was TWA that was going
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1 through St. Louis, or something like that. Which I
2 was kind of nervous about, because I could see us
3 changing planes and missing planes. But it was a
4 cheap airfare.
5 MIKE KANE: You would rather have flown
6 yourself?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Or rather flown nonstop to
8 Orlando or something from Denver. I just get very
9 nervous changing planes. But yeah, it was a trip
10 together. We had a very full, a very fun season
11 planned out.
12 MIKE KANE: Who made those arrangements?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy made the reservations?
14 MIKE KANE: Was it through the travel agent?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: The travel agent. Actually
16 I think I remember calling Walt Disney directly. I
17 think I might have gotten the number out of a
18 magazine or something. Because I think I remember
19 joining the Disney or somebody like that directly.
20 Because we had the option of going to Disney World
21 for a day or two, and we no, because Patsy didn't
22 want to. I Remember.

 

Someone just mentioned about the Ramseys going on vacation shortly after JonBenét's death. It seems the Ramseys didn't want to be reminded of any personal tragedy in the family, and preferred to be sidetracked (?).