Boulder PD announces new direction in Ramsey investigation.

BobC

I don't "want" to believe you. What about what-you-call him's book that is suppose to expose all the corrupt chit going on in Boulder? (Can't think of his name)

If you are saying Keenan is corrupt through and through, don't you think that will be exposed by someone? Deal making? You don't sue us and we will clear the Rams?

No, no, no... this will not happen. There are a few good people left that won't let that happen.

I believe.... I believe.... I believe......

 

I never said Keenan was corrupt. She is irrelevent. What is happening here was set into motion before she was involved. All she can do is try to make the best out of an ugly situation. And it's about to get uglier.

 

I agree with Bob C. It's over. This is a dog and pony show being carried out here, imo, relating to Limpy's threat to sue the BPD. I believe that discussions behind closed doors were made and by taking the case away from the police they will effectively get the dogs off of the Ram's behinds. It will be the Mary Keenan DA show and they will go thru the motions to look at other suspects and eventually the case will die and the Rams can get on with their lives. I'm not sure I'm wanting to follow this latest sideshow in this circus. If I don't come back, this is why.

 

BobC, I hate to disagree with you, but....

All is not lost. A lawsuit brought against BPD by Lin Sawdust-for-Brains is but a gnat-bite on Beckner's behind. Most municipalities are protected by law from large judgments against them by caps on how high the amount paid out can be. California, with its 4 mil to Rodney is a great exception to the rule.

I haven't looked up Boulder's caps, but it's probably around $100,000....peanuts to the greedy Rams and their shyster/crook lawyer. City of Boulder would have no prob settling, just to slap the gnat and get him off their butt.

HOWEVER....Leroy Lincoln has totally ****ed off Beckner, and by association, his good friend, Keenan. Now they are going to go for blood.

And the secret word is --FIBERS!. The dark fibers on JonBenet's privates have been matched to a garment worn by an Umbrella Person. Now, he protests, I wore a black shirt that day; and these fibers are brown/dark blue.

Fiber under an electron scanning microscope can be narrowed down to a specific lot and a specific brand. Better evidence than bootprints, palmprints, belly hair. The micro-spectro-photometer, which separates light into wavelengths and magnifies trace evidence shows ALL the colors of the spectrum in a minute piece of trace evidence. The fibers of a black shirt will be shown to include shades of dark blue and brown.

So, John Molester Ramsey thinks he's home safe because Mike Kane asked him about BROWN fibers in the 2000 interview. Neither he, nor Linny Whinny Horse Lisperer knows the extent or the value of the fiber evidence now available to Keenan and her fellow prosecutors.

All this is my humble but duly considered opinion, based on hints in the two interviews of 1998 and 2000, and on the autopsy report.

 

Beckner and Keenan Work Well Together

Colleagues: Boulder DA sought credibility before probe - Keenan praised for Ramsey-case steps

By Howard Pankratz and Kieran Nicholson Denver Post Staff Writers

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~56~1067009~,00.html

Sunday, December 22, 2002 - Boulder District Attorney Mary Keenan voiced strong concerns about whether she could restore credibility to her office in the days before she finally took control of the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation on Friday, The Denver Post has learned.

Keenan, a career prosecutor, wondered if she could restore the credibility shattered by verbal warfare that had erupted between her office and the Boulder Police Department, Pueblo District Attorney Gus Sandstrom said.

Sandstrom is one of several district attorneys whom Keenan had turned to for advice.

He said the first six years of the Ramsey investigation became a "national media circus, and nobody had any credibility."

"That is where the problem was," Sandstrom said. "Former District Attorney Alex Hunter talked to the media way too much and went several different directions. It became a tabloid issue as well as a television issue and all of that stuff.

"(Keenan) was worried about that. She wondered if the office had changed significantly enough that she could go forward with it," Sandstrom said.

He said he told Keenan he thought she could but advised her to stay away from the media.

Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter said Saturday that the "lion's share" of his recent meeting with Keenan discussed what, if any, benefit there would be to her office taking over the investigation from the Boulder police.

"I think everybody still has the best interests of the case in mind," Ritter said, adding that everyone wants the case solved and justice done for the little girl, whose body was discovered in her home Dec. 26, 1996.

"The question was, what is in the best interest of the case? What's the way to do this so that you minimize the downsides and maximize the upsides?" he said.

Ritter said Keenan told him that since becoming district attorney two years ago, replacing Hunter, the relationship between the district attorney's office and the Police Department had become quite good, that they were working their cases together and working them well.

But the Ramsey murder investigation, Ritter noted, was something else - there were very few things about the case that were or are normal.

It was a situation, Ritter said, in which Keenan believed that by having the Ramsey case under her direction, she could control the direction of the investigation.

Sandstrom, one of the senior district attorneys in the state, said he believed from the first day that she took office on Jan. 8, 2001, that Keenan wanted to restore the credibility of the office and pick up the Ramsey case. Keenan, a veteran courtroom prosecutor specializing in sex abuse cases, did a smart thing, he said.

She deliberately waited almost two years before making her move, Sandstrom said. With the passage of time, the Boulder district attorney's office became Mary Keenan's office - not Alex Hunter's - and during that time there were a lot of changes in the Boulder Police Department.

"I think she feels now is the time she can go forward," Sandstrom said. "She has no theory as to the perpetrator. She said, 'Let's look at this fresh, see what we have, see what other people have and where it leads us."'

 

I wish I could agree with you Lurker but unfortunately this time I know better.

 

BobC

OK, you're Nic Cage.
I'm Cher.
WHAPP!
Snap out of it!!!

There, all better?

Have some faith in forensics.

Have some faith in the experts who are just champing at the bit to be invited into a court room.

Listen to Lurker. She's wise and right.

Things well may take a new direction. But the Ramseys won't like the result.

However they try to spin things, there are two "umbrella people" (ha, LXIV).

They're not gonna find new evidence of an intruder. It doesn't exist.

Item by item, we've seen the flimsy excuses fall by the wayside.
Palm print
Hair
Hi-Tec
Burke's voice
Pineapple

We've seen sham after sham the RST has offered
Crockumentaries
NK
Bootman
Sketchman
Frito Bandito
Lake and the others who blame phantom kids
On and on...it's all just noise. Distraction.

Doesn't change anything.

The case has been solved for years. It just isn't ready for the courtroom. Yet.

Hang in there, pal. We need your full attention. You never know when you might be called to action to give play by play for a trial!

 

Could a problem be <b>Who Do You Charge With What?</b> On this, and other forums, a certain percentage of people think PR killed JBR, a slightly smaller percentage think JR killed JBR, a very small percentage think BR did, and less than one percent (includes yours truely) don't know who did it. Could law enforcement be struggling with this problem? Just a question, I'm not up on Colorado law.

BTW, I think Obstruction of Justice is still hanging out there, and prosecutable.

 

You can all change my forum title to "Dreariest Poster of the Eon."

Lin Wood is running this investigation now.

 

Tricia

I'm guessing Beckner's thought is, "Whatever! If the DA can get a hit, hooray." We all make a mistake when we think there are certain individuals who are obstructing justice here. Even the ones hired to give the other side's POV were still prosecutors -- they're just experienced in REALITY. This conspiracy stuff is nonsense. Except for those who are delusional (Smit) or part of the RST, everyone in the Boulder cop shop and DA's office, and the coroner's office and CBI, and the other labs, etc., wants to see a successful prosecution. Beckner, I'm sure, would like to see his city's image rehabilitated by a powerful conviction or two. If the Keenan goes forward with a trial, you can be sure Beckner will offer the right support and have his team ready for taking the stand.

What Shadow says is right on. You can't go to a jury, and say, "Gee, you figure out who did what." And that's been a stumbling block inside BPD, the experts, and media. I'm more than willing to put whatever hunches I might have on hold and back the prosecution theory that is presented in court. If that is Patsy did it because of bedwetting, and it's the most likely path to a conviction, go for it!

I was recently at a homicide seminar and after it ended, went to the hotel bar with three legendary sleuths. At least two of them we've mentioned on this forum. It was a perfect chance for me to pick their brains about the case. They all knew it, though they didn't follow as closely as we do here. One of the people had the autopsy report and floorplan in a briefcase and brought it out as we discussed. Bottom line: Everyone had a different theory. Important to note that none of them has seen the BPD's Murder Book on the case (nor have I), so that info might well change the way one thinks in the long run. These very experienced investigators had no doubt that Smit's intruder theory is horsepuckey.

 

Thanks, Fedora

I bow to your decades of experience as a professional crime reporter. If you say there was no intruder, I believe you have substantial reason for saying so. Your meeting with the two celebrity sleuths sounds like it was fascinating.

You are a great one at picking brains. Like the time you caught Henry Lee off guard at a booksigning, and got him to admit that Vince Foster's death was not a suicide. (I read about it on the internet).

I'm so glad we have you as a resource here at FFJ. You help to keep this forum balanced and sane, unlike forums which shall not be named, that go off on Quixotic tangents and end up chasing their own tails.

(BTW...did you hear...there is another victim of the Baton Rouge serial killer. DNA match announced today at a press conference).

 

Tricia....

It's not grovelling....it's lawyer talk. The letter is documentation of her intentions to open a new and unbiased investigation. She did NOT say the Ramseys are off the hook. Quite the contrary. She adamantly refuses to exempt John and Patsy from the new investigation. IOW, they are still the main suspects, the Umbrella People, the skanks who will not wiggle off the hook, despite the histrionics of Lin Wood.

 

I'm not disgusted with Keenan.

 

the threat

of Lin Wood is that he will sue the BPD for ruining the Ram's rep and it stems from info he developed during the Beckner and Thomas depositions which, if I have read correctly, both admit there may have been pressure applied to the Rams by leaking info to the press with the hope they would confess.

If the said info leaked was true I don't know how that can be an attempt to ruin their reputation. It would have been illegal to leak grand jury info but is it really against the law to leak details of an ongoing investigation if the law enforcement agency wants to? Not saying that would be professional but maybe legal?

That the threat of law-suit and this anouncement that the DA would take over the investigation are released too close to be anything other than an obvious attempt to appease woody.

The investigation was to be turned over to the DA after the summing -up meeting between BPD and DA's office and the grand jury anyway wasn't it?

 

Listen Carefyully!

Mary Keenen agreed to open this investigation to save her former bosses butt. Hunter was the one that leaked to the press, the Globe kept him on the payroll, in my opinion.

How can Lin Wood sue the BPD without suing the DA's office for leaking?

BobC is correct!!! This case is over. Keenen is digging a whole deeper than hell to bury this case and to appease the Ramseys to save Hunter's butt. Hunter should have been investigated many years ago. He should not have been able to retire without the blood of JonBenet being hung around his neck.

The BPD can do nothing. If they choose to arrest, there will be no prosecution. It seems the good people of Boulder, CO. likes this no justice town just the way it is.

Since there is a new sheriff in Boulder County, it could be that Keenen decided to move in and take over just so the case would not be transferred to the County law enforcement.

Remember, if the BPD were to arrest John or Patsy, Hunter would not have tried to prosecute the case, and Keenen was there at the time backing Hunter all the way.

Justice for JonBenet Ramsey has been sold to the highest bidder.

Edited to say, this date is December 25th, 2002, the time is 12:26 a.m. which is approximately the time 6-long years ago that JonBenet's life was being snuffed out. I have just lite many candles in rememberance of JonBenet. I hope you will all do the same. My heart is simply breaking. Justice, elusive justice, how long must she wait for you? I cry many tears for the lack of justice that I have seen in this case. The framing of Steve Thomas, the many people who wanted to do the right thing, but were prevented from doing so. I hope they all know that JonBenet knows that they tried with all their heart, and I feel she is grateful for people like Steve Thomas and to each of you here.

If you lite a candle in the future, lite one for JonBenet.