Calling Steve Thomas

Hunter didn't get the phone records because he wanted to foster "cooperation" with the Ramseys and let them VOLUNTEER them.

I am NOT making this up!

Hunter waited for that cooperation for a YEAR. Then LE got ONE MONTH of phone records...December 96...given to them by the Ramseys. As far as they know. What they don't know, since Hunter and DA Lacy have NEVER gotten a subpoena TO THIS DAY for any of those phone records, is what was on them in the months before or after. What they don't know is if the INTRUDER/KIDNAPPER for some reason called one of those phones before that month or after it. You'd think that LE AND THE RAMSEYS would want to know that, wouldn't you? Not the Ramseys. Not Hunter. And not Lacy. Not even Smit, apparently, the SUPER DETECTIVE. Go figure. Guess they're waiting for the INTRUDER to VOLUNTEER.

Then there is the fact that Patsy made some very lame story up about John "losing" a cell phone and buying a replacement one for John, but then just keeping it for herself. See, that was by way of COVERING UP THE FACT that one of the cell phone records they "volunteered" had NO CALLS FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, 96. None. Nada. And all Thomas could get about that was the phone company's employee telling him that yes, there were phone calls in the months before on that phone. Period. LE couldn't SEE those previous months, though, nor the following months, because THE RAMSEYS DIDN'T VOLUNTEER THOSE, did they?

And then there is the FACT that we have several sources, including JOHN RAMSEY HIMSELF, UNDER OATH, stating that LE used the Ramsey's cell phones THAT MORNING because LE's phones batteries were dead. HUH? Yet...NO CALLS LISTED ON THE CELL PHONE RECORD. And a lame story about how IT was lost.

However...NOBODY EVER CANCELED IT, NOBODY EVER REPORTED IT MISSING. And you'd THINK that once JonBenet was MURDERED in her home, A LOST CELL PHONE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERED CRITICAL EVIDENCE that EVERYONE would be looking at, since...you know...FOREIGN FACTION...INTRUDERS...little things like that....

Oh well, I'm sure the Ramseys' WORLD-CLASS DETECTIVES and LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND LOU SMIT know better than I about how to investigate these things...and better than the FBI...and better than just about everyone else on the planet...and their RESULTS prove THAT, don't they? Sure they do...THEY CAUGHT JOHN MARK KARR!!

Well...sort of....

 

Yeah, that's what I meant, too, Paradox! :floor:

 

I got all the way to the closing arguments, Elle, and then the jury instructions. I was posting up to this point in the trial. Then either Patsy died or they arrested Karr...or both, don't remember right now. The thread quickly flew down the forum index, though, so I just ended with Miller was found not guilty by the jury. hahaha We knew that, of course. Anyhow, the thread is still around here somewhere. Don't worry about it, though. So much to keep up with lately.

 

My favorite number when I played sports was 13 - maybe that was why I was always getting hurt. LOL

Seems to me that Steve Thomas has already said it all... he sacrificed his career in LE to tell it like it was in public, in his letter and in his book.

 

So much to keep up with "for you" ... I just don't know how you manage it (?).

I really did enjoy that thread, and when I have the time I will go over it again.
Thank you for your excellent input KK.

 

BluesStrat says Hunter is a BDI believer. If so, his actions or lack of action make sense within that context. Why would he go to the trouble of discovery of evidence only to face the eventual ugly disclosure that Burke accidently killed his sister? If the phone records showed calls to lawyers in the wee hours of 12/26/96, then John and Patsy would have deserved the charge of obstruction of justice, or perhaps even 2nd degree murder (I am not a lawyer and don't even attempt to pretend I am). It would have been terrible publicity for Boulder and for Hunter himself, and would have lasted for probably years. And Burke could not have been charged with the crime anyway. So he probably does feel that he did the best job he could have under the circumstances, as pathetic as that is.

 

Yeah, but lots of people have suffered because of the Ramsey bus running over them for a decade now. I feel no sympathy for a DA who obstructs justice.

Besides, if Burke was the one molesting JonBenet, if he was the one who cracked her skull in half, he wasn't the one who strangled her with the garrote necessarily. That's what actually KILLED her, wasn't it? So Hunter doesn't get to feel sorry for those wonderful parents and give them one child murder for free just because their "intentions" might have been good. Remember that old road to H e l l and what it was paved with....

Plus, HOW DID HUNTER KNOW it was Burke who did the prior molestation? How did he KNOW it was Burke who struck the headblow? Because the Ramseys TOLD HIM?

I don't think so. Any DA who would be that gullible has no business being a D.A. I doubt he'd have felt so sorry for you and me. Unless we could aford to hire his good buddies Haddon and firm.

And why would Hunter sit silently while the RST and Smit went bonkers hunting "intruders" still? Why would he allow so many OTHER people to have their heads on the chopping block for what happened in the Ramsey home, even if it was Burke? Why would Hunter be serving up the WHITES with the Krebb crap to the press? How does that jive with the Ramsey-sympathetic Hunter? Not fair, not LEGAL, and not MORAL, IMO.

I don't care if Hunter thought JonBenet wacked herself in the head and then strangled herself. He had no LEGAL RIGHT to hide any evidence in this case, regardless of what happened.

:moron:

 

Hahahaha...13 never bothered me...seems you made it through alright.

Thomas was starting to suffer healthwise and infuriated with Hunter's no-balls attitude, he could have just quit and left quietly or announced to the world what was really happening.

Hunter is peod 'cause he thinks Thomas blew his cover....Thomas helped with the book, that's for sure, but anyone with half a brain who knows the case will come to the same conclusion. Alex Hunter is a whinny, braggard who sought the limelight and television! Hunter was too busy promoting himself and career to concentrate on the case facts.

 

I agree, and I don't have sympathy for him, either. It seems to me that he was simply afraid to take action, that he has no...ahem...package when it comes to prosecuting crime. Also that he was corrupt, and still is. I sure am not saying it is right that he did this, that he further messed up the case, after the PD had started by allowing the crime scene to be contaminated. He is the one who authorized the Pam Paugh raid, isn't he?

I don't know if he believes that Burke did it, or who he believes did it. His actions were wrong at the time, and they still are. Yes, all the people who've been falsely accused by the Ramseys or their attorneys could file a class action lawsuit, if some of them weren't already dead.

I hate everyone in Boulder, and that is just my opinion.

 

Show Me - I believe ST made a huge sacrifice - I have been told by a couple of my FBI friends that ST could have gone to work for the FBI if he had not published his resignation letter.

Hunter's actions from 1996 until today leave a lot to be desired from someone sworn to uphold the law!!

 

Yep and for all of Hunter's 'this list gets smaller and smaller and soon only you will be on the list' and his constant 'case is practically solved' bravado...he was quaking in his shoes hoping no one will expose him. Thomas did.....hurray!!!

 

I'm probably forgetting how to quote, but heymommy's got it for me here. How can they be sitting there the years after, allowing these namby-pamby articles to be printed?

 

why did publishing his resignation letter affect future emply?

 

No, but I have books.

 

"why did publishing his resignation letter affect future emply?"

Good question! That's just what I was told... having worked in the federal goverment arena for over 25 years at that time, I assumed the FBI (any gov agency) would have trouble with someone going public like that.

 

DonBradley and Poor Mikie reckon that they wouldn't like to live in a house that Steve Thomas built. Margoo is high fiving them. Isn't that typical of RST logic? The Ramseys were rich, charismatic and socialised with similar types - therefore the RST refuse to even contemplate the possibility that they might be capable of doing anything less than perfect. Steve Thomas did contemplate that - and spitefully, they are suggesting that any house he might build would be sub-standard!

I have always been open about the fact that I am no fan of John Ramsey, but it wouldn't occur to me to distrust his DIY skills just because he cheated on his first wife! Then again we've always demonstrated better reasoning skills anyway...

I rather think that someone who was such a perfectionist that he worked right through Christmas Day would build a great house!

 

I wish he had gone to work for the FBI, Shadow. I wish the FBI would take this over as Jeff Shapiro suggested, although we all feel this news was unusual coming from him. I don't care where it comes from, I just hope it's taken out of DA LAcy's hands.

 

I'm sure Hunter would answer your questions by saying it wasn't his job to put a case together, only to prosecute a case brought to him. With that in mind, he would also tell you that nobody, not the BPD, not the CBI, not Smit, not Mike Kane, not the Grand Jury--brought him any kind of prosecutable case.
I would agree with him on that because I don't see any jury being convinced beyond reasonable doubt that one single person was responsible for everything that happened that night.

Also, Hunter was not in charge of the BPD so he couldn't control what road they went down in regard to suspects. If the BPD said "Patsy", and Hunter thought "Burke", he wasn't in the position to change their thinking.